time to ground

[wolfy 79]

maybe 3 or 4 years back 5 of us where regularly digging, taking a number of terriers and racing with each other to drop dogs (1)into earths, the numbers where great, the digs where short and fast, mostly, and we had the option of staying clear of deaper places. the staying power of the dog was never tested or at best rarely, now things are different, i dig mainly on my own and even in the shallow places i may put my coat down drink a flask and have a roam before i even consider digging ,i am always checking the time to ground, this is only one of a number of important points, a dog that wants to take hold etc is of no use given time and work they inevitably start to come away. staying power in a dog relieves stress on yourself and is of huge importance in the maintenance of our workers, anything that will not stay with its quarry for less than six hours should never be bred from on the dog side, whats your take on this. thats also not to say he would be to far back as to not feel his quarrys breath.

[edzy 3]

maybe 3 or 4 years back 5 of us where regularly digging, taking a number of terriers and racing with each other to drop dogs (1)into earths, the numbers where great, the digs where short and fast, mostly, and we had the option of staying clear of deaper places. the staying power of the dog was never tested or at best rarely, now things are different, i dig mainly on my own and even in the shallow places i may put my coat down drink a flask and have a roam before i even consider digging ,i am always checking the time to ground, this is only one of a number of important points, a dog that wants to take hold etc is of no use given time and work they inevitably start to come away. staying power in a dog relieves stress on yourself and is of huge importance in the maintenance of our workers, anything that will not stay with its quarry for less than six hours should never be bred from on the dog side, whats your take on this. thats also not to say he would be to far back as to not feel his quarrys breath.

 

Good reading, as i grown to terrier work and learn about my dogs i want my dogs to do the same just take there time to pin them up some where then just work it till i reach him not get cut to pieces coz hes no good for next week i have a little jack russel bitch lived in the house and went every where with me she nows what i expect of her and she delivers every time and as for hours with her there is no limit she will not fight she will just bay all day long and unless she bolts it she will be there for days

[willy 63]

my ideal dog would be if it did,nt hear me comin in 2-3 hrs? it would break as i could,nt dig it for what ever reason

[wolfy 79]

my ideal dog would be if it did,nt hear me comin in 2-3 hrs? it would break as i could,nt dig it for what ever reason

such dogs are failed as real workers, thats not to say they arent useful, regarding breeding from, well

[dev 226]

maybe 3 or 4 years back 5 of us where regularly digging, taking a number of terriers and racing with each other to drop dogs (1)into earths, the numbers where great, the digs where short and fast, mostly, and we had the option of staying clear of deaper places. the staying power of the dog was never tested or at best rarely, now things are different, i dig mainly on my own and even in the shallow places i may put my coat down drink a flask and have a roam before i even consider digging ,i am always checking the time to ground, this is only one of a number of important points, a dog that wants to take hold etc is of no use given time and work they inevitably start to come away. staying power in a dog relieves stress on yourself and is of huge importance in the maintenance of our workers, anything that will not stay with its quarry for less than six hours should never be bred from on the dog side, whats your take on this. thats also not to say he would be to far back as to not feel his quarrys breath.

in my experiance (im no expert by the way) 6+ hr digs are rare, the vast magority of digs are over under the 1hr mark, 2 and 3 hr digs are common but anything over 3 is unusal around my neck of the woods . and if we didnt breed from a terrier untill it proved itself on 6 hr digs then we would never have a litter

[Guest miller1989]

Think you hit the nail on the head dev,i dont even know of anyone thats had a 6hrs dig,u must be talking 20ft for it to take so long! But im still confused because if your dog went to ground and stayed for 6hrs and its a 15ft dig for example id be getting the JCB out and getting down to him asap! Seen some nasty foxes give a terrier a hard time after an hour or 2 but 6hrs you got to be having a laugh!

[wolfy 79]

maybe 3 or 4 years back 5 of us where regularly digging, taking a number of terriers and racing with each other to drop dogs (1)into earths, the numbers where great, the digs where short and fast, mostly, and we had the option of staying clear of deaper places. the staying power of the dog was never tested or at best rarely, now things are different, i dig mainly on my own and even in the shallow places i may put my coat down drink a flask and have a roam before i even consider digging ,i am always checking the time to ground, this is only one of a number of important points, a dog that wants to take hold etc is of no use given time and work they inevitably start to come away. staying power in a dog relieves stress on yourself and is of huge importance in the maintenance of our workers, anything that will not stay with its quarry for less than six hours should never be bred from on the dog side, whats your take on this. thats also not to say he would be to far back as to not feel his quarrys breath.

in my experiance (im no expert by the way) 6+ hr digs are rare, the vast magority of digs are over under the 1hr mark, 2 and 3 hr digs are common but anything over 3 is unusal around my neck of the woods . and if we didnt breed from a terrier untill it proved itself on 6 hr digs then we would never have a litter

then you should never have a litter?

and then my friend we may have decent animals, worthy of calling terriers. every aspect of these animals should be tested, i shall now sign of as im agitated ,thanks.

[dev 226]

maybe 3 or 4 years back 5 of us where regularly digging, taking a number of terriers and racing with each other to drop dogs (1)into earths, the numbers where great, the digs where short and fast, mostly, and we had the option of staying clear of deaper places. the staying power of the dog was never tested or at best rarely, now things are different, i dig mainly on my own and even in the shallow places i may put my coat down drink a flask and have a roam before i even consider digging ,i am always checking the time to ground, this is only one of a number of important points, a dog that wants to take hold etc is of no use given time and work they inevitably start to come away. staying power in a dog relieves stress on yourself and is of huge importance in the maintenance of our workers, anything that will not stay with its quarry for less than six hours should never be bred from on the dog side, whats your take on this. thats also not to say he would be to far back as to not feel his quarrys breath.

in my experiance (im no expert by the way) 6+ hr digs are rare, the vast magority of digs are over under the 1hr mark, 2 and 3 hr digs are common but anything over 3 is unusal around my neck of the woods . and if we didnt breed from a terrier untill it proved itself on 6 hr digs then we would never have a litter

then you should never have a litter?

and then my friend we may have decent animals, worthy of calling terriers. every aspect of these animals should be tested, i shall now sign of as im agitated ,thanks.

your not agitated your a tosser

Edited December 23, 2008 by dev

[waz77 15]

I had a 7hr dig last wknd,and a 3n half week before but like dev said most are generally around the 1-2 hr mark,besides those 2 the longest this season have been 1n half hrs,but you need dogs that will do the long uns

[wink hound 0]

all,

 

i cant really think of anyone who would be happy to have there dog week in week out (which it would have to be to say your dogs is tested for this time) for more than a few hours. Ive seen some of the so called big boys arses twitching when the 4 hour mark comes............. 2/3 hours is a good dig.

 

a dog that will stay in when these times occur is a good dog in deed. most good terriers will stay till their job is done, if after 4/5 hours they have done there bit and see no sign of progress, are taking excess punishment or simply running out of air and decided to show, anyone who says they wouldn't breed of them (for these reasons) is a moron.

 

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Wolfy,

 

you touch upon the fact that "on the dogs side" it should not be breed from. this seems to be a common trend nowadays that people will use good dogs over mediocre bitches. just interested in your reasons for the comment.

 

i personally believe that there is no point in putting a good dog over a mediocre bitch and then expect them to be good. in my experience the bitch throws just as much if not more temperament and work into the pups..... it is after all the bitch the pups learn from. so i would look for as many of the traits i required in the bitch as i would the dog.

[Guest miller1989]

Well we havent had a 6 hour dig so i couldnt really comment on it,but i would imagin that a few pop up,but rarely the 2-3 hour mark maybe 4 yeah!Also i dog doesnt need a 6hr dig to be a proven worker!Im not goin to write a big long story and bore people but you all no your standards of whats a proven worker and whats not!

[busterbuster1969 313]

A dog needs to stay untill dug to, but to say it aint worth breeding from untill its done a 6 hour dig its laughable...

 

Are you saying that if you had a terrier for 4 years and it had a 100 + digs under his belt but hadnt been on a 6 hour dig, you wouldnt breed of it ??

 

Many guys and girls on this forum have proven working dogs and mayprobably may never get a 6 hour dig.. Are you saying you shouldnt breed from these :wacko:

 

20 posts wolfy and your getting agited, lol .. welcome to open discussion my friend...

[fireman 10,863]

Maybe we should all leave our dogs to ground for 6 hours then,even if we can feel them thumping on the ground below our feet.Have a reading at 2ft but feck off home for tea and cakes,wash the car,mow the lawn then go back and see if the dogs still there and worth breeding from?????????????Wolfy mate leave the drugs alone they don't suit you,you mentalist!!!!!!!!. at Dev...

[Guest mudhole]

anything that will not stay with its quarry for less than six hours should never be bred from on the dog side, whats your take on this. thats also not to say he would be to far back as to not feel his quarrys breath.

 

"anything that will not stay with its quarry for less than six hours " ?? most have dogs that will do less than six hours . i assume you mean a dog should do more than 6 hours . you say "on the dog side" . what do you expect from a bitch ? do you look for the same standard ? ..... kev ......

[downsouth 7,161]

I told someone a while back my old bitch was 100% fox and never let me down but if she got somewhere she shouldnt be if i had to f**k off eventually she would come looking for me when she knew i wasnt digging to her.just a month ago she disapeared when out for a walk and turned up 7 hours later a little bit chinned,Next thing he was telling people she was crap and id said i could call her out.This same bitch has been dug to 3 times in 1 day each dig lasting around 2 hours. To many people claim to have dogs that will stay all day or would die with the quarry without ever having dug to the dog for more than 2 hours.