Guest oldskool Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 its hard to explain and this might sound totally wrong but lets face it some folk can take the odd drink and still drive as slolwly and as safely as they possibly can because number 1/ you know you may or may not be over the limit 2/ you know your actions wont be sharp enough for high speed so slow and steady wins the race and you will get home to bed safe... where as other twats get a half pint in them and they start fighting with their shadows and then drive like their fighting some one off the steering wheel... you let a prat like that behind the wheel and he is goin to hurt some one... i think the ban is harsh enough, especially now when jobs are scarce and a license is absolutely essential... i never had a problem with mates that took a beer and drove home because they can all drink well and i felt in good hands... and if a man/woman cant handle one flippin beer then you shouldnt drink at all... at the end of the day its c**ts that cant behave themselves after a few sips that bring about problems, whether it be driving or even walking home... i dont know where most folk are from on here but where i'm at every village has some old codger makin his way home in his lada banger or tractor full drunk and they'v never caused any fatalities on the road and they've been doin it all of they're lives... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claybusers al 9 Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 i have never done it i dont drink never have and i was a publican for eight years and watched many people do it and on variouse occasions called the police i would not be able to of lived with myself if there had been an accident i could of prevented i grew up watching my father do it and the misery he caused 1 new years eve when wrote off two cars which 2 children had just got out of and he left the scene of the accident to go the 200yds home my stepmum gave him a large drink to ease the shock when the police arrived all they could do was charge him with leaving the scene of the accident he still didnt learn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
val 0 Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 my father was killed by a drunk driver when I was only a kid 18 months old I was Im now 47. the van mounted the pavement and ran him over so as far as Im concerned there's no excuse for it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
COMPO 54 Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 its hard to explain and this might sound totally wrong but lets face it some folk can take the odd drink and still drive as slolwly and as safely as they possibly can because number 1/ you know you may or may not be over the limit 2/ you know your actions wont be sharp enough for high speed so slow and steady wins the race and you will get home to bed safe... where as other twats get a half pint in them and they start fighting with their shadows and then drive like their fighting some one off the steering wheel... you let a prat like that behind the wheel and he is goin to hurt some one... i think the ban is harsh enough, especially now when jobs are scarce and a license is absolutely essential... i never had a problem with mates that took a beer and drove home because they can all drink well and i felt in good hands... and if a man/woman cant handle one flippin beer then you shouldnt drink at all... at the end of the day its c**ts that cant behave themselves after a few sips that bring about problems, whether it be driving or even walking home... i dont know where most folk are from on here but where i'm at every village has some old codger makin his way home in his lada banger or tractor full drunk and they'v never caused any fatalities on the road and they've been doin it all of they're lives... Thing is its hard to create a law that states if you can handle your drink this is the limit and if you cant then this is teh limit! A law needs to say one thing and everyone able drinkers and otherwise need to stcik to it! The only way round what you are saying is the USA style sobreity tests....i.e. walking in a line, touching your nose with your eyes closed etc.........but the government like to be able to stipulate figures and have a law thats easy to interpret (sobriety tests are open to interpretation and what i might consider to be a pass others may consider a fail etc...) so i think we are stuck with the limits that we are now! which are! (a) 35 microgrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres of breath, ( milligrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres of blood, or © 107 milligrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres of urine, That seriously isn't a lot of alcohol and as i said earlier......depending on body size etc....it can affect folk differently here's a link to the law for those really bored! http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880052_en_2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scent 509 Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 personally where i live its very common for police to be in accidents when over the limit and they just get a free ride home if stopped.I do believe you should not drink drive but this thing of goin to bed for 8 to 10 hours after been drinking and getting stopped the following morning for being over the limit is too much . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carlbell 0 Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 I think it was 2 years ago when the inspector in charge of humbersides christmas drink drive campaign fell foul of his own officers after a few to many but was suspended on full pay for months and managed to keep his pension if i remember right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbithunter 456 Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 I know it must be sickening SS, but you've also got to say that it takes a complete idiot to get into the car as a passenger, with someone who's drunk. been "the passenger" in the past. Feel like a complete dick head the next day, but when your steamboat, you just wanted to get home. also dont the driving side myself in the past, and its certainly nothiong to boast about. it was an act of stupidity, but i was lucky, none or nothing got hurt/damaged. Never done it again. my g/f & her two kids are stranded in newcastle as we speak cos they missed the train.... but i'd had 3/4s of a can, so they have to wait for the late train....... a bit of piece for a few hours anyway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest oldskool Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 personally where i live its very common for police to be in accidents when over the limit and they just get a free ride home if stopped.I do believe you should not drink drive but this thing of goin to bed for 8 to 10 hours after been drinking and getting stopped the following morning for being over the limit is too much . dead right mate... i have a joiner workin for us at the minute and i have to lift him in the morning to work because last year he got up on a sunday mornin to take his mate into town to pick his car up... he stopped at the roundabout and got rear ended by some careless, goofy bitch... the police just happened to see the incident and came over to breathalise both drivers... he had acohol in his system so apparently he was to blame and when she said she was hurt (she saw £ signs) he lost his license as a result... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Drink Driving is serious stuff chaps. DONT DO IT!!! Any officer who pulls you over may decide on their own opinion whether you are over the drink driving limit and whether to arrest you or not. Some may use a breath test which may show whether you are over the limit but it is not fundamental to them arresting you. If you do get arrested by the roadside you will then be taken to the police station for further tests before releasing or charging you. Most people who are charged with drink related driving offences are charged with driving or attempting to drive after consuming so much alcohol that the proportion of it in his or her breath, blood or urine exceeds the prescribed limit under Section 5 Of The Road Traffic Act 1988, as COMPO has stated the limits of law already. Most straight forward excess alcohol convictions follow the arrested person providing a sample of breath on a government approved device. The breathalysers in police stations are usually either the Lion Intoxilyzer 6000 or the Intoximeter ECIR. Once the sample has been provided, if it is above the legal limit of 35migrogrammes (mgs) the CPS will be seeking a conviction under Section 5 RTA 1988. If the reading is under 40mgs the CPS will usually not proceed with the charge. Blood and Urine Samples: If the reading is 50mgs or below the Intoxilyzer operator will, if following the procedure correctly, explain that you have the right to have your specimen replaced with blood or urine. The officer should not do anything to persuade or dissuade you in this decision. If you do decide to have the specimen replaced then it will be for the officer to decide whether the replacement be of blood or urine. If the officer decides to take blood he will then call a doctor or health care professional to take the specimen. Your consent must always be sought and given before a specimen can be taken. This specimen will be split into two and you must be offered your own sample so you can have it examined by your own toxicologist. The other sample will be sealed and then sent to the police toxicologist for testing. You will then be bailed to re-attend at a date when the sample has been examined. The legal limit in blood is 80mgs. Two samples taken at the same time are often not exactly the same. Moreover when the samples are examined, to account for a margin of error a further 6mgs is deducted from the reading. If this remains at over 80mgs you will be charged. The CPS will usually proceed with a charge even if it is only 81mgs. Here's what you could be facing if your stupid enough to risk it: A maximum penalty of six months in prison and a fine of up to £5,000 and a minimum 12 months driving ban. Causing death by drink driving carries a maximum sentence of 14 years in prison and a minimum two years driving ban plus taking an extended driving test before being able to drive again. IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Missie 1 Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 It makes me sick! I know certain things can affect the levels and readings on breath tests but the limit should be trace! Its not just this time of year either but this is the time that its more likely. Anyone going out drinking shouldn't even think about taking their car, stump up for taxi's or the train instead of risking lives! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackard 36 Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 drink drivers should go to prison ! no if or buts ! they know what there doing when they do it. there not only putting there own lives at risk but other inocent partys . if i was the judge they would all go to prison . = Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SportingShooter 0 Posted December 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Drink Driving is serious stuff chaps. DONT DO IT!!! Any officer who pulls you over may decide on their own opinion whether you are over the drink driving limit and whether to arrest you or not. Some may use a breath test which may show whether you are over the limit but it is not fundamental to them arresting you. If you do get arrested by the roadside you will then be taken to the police station for further tests before releasing or charging you. Most people who are charged with drink related driving offences are charged with driving or attempting to drive after consuming so much alcohol that the proportion of it in his or her breath, blood or urine exceeds the prescribed limit under Section 5 Of The Road Traffic Act 1988, as COMPO has stated the limits of law already. Most straight forward excess alcohol convictions follow the arrested person providing a sample of breath on a government approved device. The breathalysers in police stations are usually either the Lion Intoxilyzer 6000 or the Intoximeter ECIR. Once the sample has been provided, if it is above the legal limit of 35migrogrammes (mgs) the CPS will be seeking a conviction under Section 5 RTA 1988. If the reading is under 40mgs the CPS will usually not proceed with the charge. Blood and Urine Samples: If the reading is 50mgs or below the Intoxilyzer operator will, if following the procedure correctly, explain that you have the right to have your specimen replaced with blood or urine. The officer should not do anything to persuade or dissuade you in this decision. If you do decide to have the specimen replaced then it will be for the officer to decide whether the replacement be of blood or urine. If the officer decides to take blood he will then call a doctor or health care professional to take the specimen. Your consent must always be sought and given before a specimen can be taken. This specimen will be split into two and you must be offered your own sample so you can have it examined by your own toxicologist. The other sample will be sealed and then sent to the police toxicologist for testing. You will then be bailed to re-attend at a date when the sample has been examined. The legal limit in blood is 80mgs. Two samples taken at the same time are often not exactly the same. Moreover when the samples are examined, to account for a margin of error a further 6mgs is deducted from the reading. If this remains at over 80mgs you will be charged. The CPS will usually proceed with a charge even if it is only 81mgs. Here's what you could be facing if your stupid enough to risk it: A maximum penalty of six months in prison and a fine of up to £5,000 and a minimum 12 months driving ban. Causing death by drink driving carries a maximum sentence of 14 years in prison and a minimum two years driving ban plus taking an extended driving test before being able to drive again. IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT! Thats as clearly as it can be put and as clearly as it NEEDS to be put. It is not worth the risk a) to yourself, b ) to the other road users and c) to the innocent pedestrians. I dread to think of the people killed this Christmas time, I know the amount in the area that I deal with and that figure is beyond belief. I'd perish the thought of what it is for the rest of the UK combined. I did have a slight encouragement earlier in regard to Drink Driving, a man was convicted for being over the legal limit. An 18 month ban, due to the sheer amount he had in his system. One of the rare examples of flexibility of the law. Dont do it folks. SS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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