Something a bit different

[Guest JohnGalway]

Hi folks,

 

I can't remember if I posted this before or not. A while back I was giving my shot foxes to a student in the University who was investigating how a disease in cattle which causes abortions spreads. He PM'd me the stomach contents results that he got from another fella, thought I'd post them for the sake of it. No, there's no photos

 

I finally got the results of what was in the stomachs from the student that did them. Here is what he recorded in his notes on the foxes he did from you anyway. Just to mention that one of the problems with studies like this is stuff like vegatation and beetle carapaces that the stomach finds hard to break down are over represented. Where as stuff like meat is broken down quicker so less likely to be found. I got a person to look at those hair samples you thought were lamb but he has not got around to it yet! I will chase him up on it again.

 

All the best and thanks again for your help.

 

John Galway

F02 21/03/2007: Plastic, unknown vegetation, apple, rodent, beetles

F07 21/03/2007: Caterpillars, lizard, beetles, leatherjackets and vegetation

F09 01/03/2007: Calf nuts, rabbit and sheep, caterpillars, worms, beetles, seeds.

F11 17/04/07: Sheep

F12 17/04/07: Rabbit or hare, beetles, worms, maggots, leather jackets.

F13 23/04/07: Worms, beetles, pine needles

F14 28/04/07: Sheep, beetles

F15 07/05/07: Dragonfly (most of stomach eaten by birds)

F16 19/05/07: Sheep, beetle

F17 19/05/07: Mice and voles, leather jacket, beetles, ants

F21 20/06/07: Sheep

F24 27/06/07: Field mouse, leather jacket, beetle, coachman, lichen

F25 01/07/07: Carrion, beetles, maggots.

F27 04/04/07: Bird, vegetation, mouse, coachman

F28 11/07/07: Passiforme bird, beetles, vegetation

F29 13/07/07: Sheep carrion, maggots, vegetation, beetles, grasshopper

F39 23/07/07: Sheep carrion, beetles

F40 24/07/07: Sheep carrion, beetles

F41 31/07/07: roundworm, beetles, vegetation seeds

F47 12/08/07: Carrion, slugs, blowfly larvae, beetles, blackberry seeds

F48 13/08/07: Carrion, beetle carapace, blackberries

F49 13/08/07: Domestic cat, rat, crab, vegetation, beetle.

F58 14/10/07: Carrion, maggots, beetles, vegatation

F75 19/10/07: Beetles

F84 31/10/07: Empty

F85 31/10/07: Carrion

F101 11/11/07: Grass, caterpillars, leatherjackets, maggots, beetles.

F102 11/11/07: Beetles

F107 17/11/07: Chicken, apple, grasses

 

I've edited out some of his PM, but the basics are still intact.

 

Things that got my attention, domestic cat, calf nuts (WTF), and pine needles.

[SportingShooter 0]

Calf Nuts? As in the Feed you give to Cows in the shed?

 

Interesting stuff anyway. I imagine the ones around here would have Chicken, Pheasant and Duckling. Gourmet

[Tiff 36]

we had a bobcat in the high desert a few years ago and there was something like 40 mice packed into it's stomach ... they all looked perfectly intact other than being wet and dead. It was the sheer number of them that surprised me as the bobcat was about the size of a standard large adult bobcat, maybe 15 pounds.

 

I'd seen a study on the stomach contents of caught sharks, there were things like tires, license plates, coolers etc, crazy!

[Guest JohnGalway]

Yeah those calf nuts Though it doesn't say what kind, could be the compressed molassed beet pulp type which I could understand, they're sweet, often had a bit of the shredded stuff myself years ago lol, but the newer stuff is crap, all dust and dirt in it.

[JPTfellterrier 65]

leather what?Dragonfly (most of stomach eaten by birds)! how would you know that? hehe thats mad

[Guest JohnGalway]

Leather jacket is a type of insect I think? Some of the foxes I shot may have been a little ripe upon delivery :sick: Some were shot in summer and for various reasons couldn't be picked up until the next day, by which the hoodies had been in and done their work I could guess it was the chest shot ones that had an exit wound around the ribs or behind that had their stomachs eaten out

[SportingShooter 0]

Yeah those calf nuts Though it doesn't say what kind, could be the compressed molassed beet pulp type which I could understand, they're sweet, often had a bit of the shredded stuff myself years ago lol, but the newer stuff is crap, all dust and dirt in it.

And I wonder if he knows the difference between Sheep, Horse or Pig nuts?

[redeye jedi 39]

a leatherjacket is a grub found in the soil, i think its the larvae of daddy long legs.

[JPTfellterrier 65]

Leather jacket is a type of insect I think? Some of the foxes I shot may have been a little ripe upon delivery :sick: Some were shot in summer and for various reasons couldn't be picked up until the next day, by which the hoodies had been in and done their work I could guess it was the chest shot ones that had an exit wound around the ribs or behind that had their stomachs eaten out

oh right i was going to say

[mad al 146]

Hi folks,

 

I can't remember if I posted this before or not. A while back I was giving my shot foxes to a student in the University who was investigating how a disease in cattle which causes abortions spreads. He PM'd me the stomach contents results that he got from another fella, thought I'd post them for the sake of it. No, there's no photos

 

I finally got the results of what was in the stomachs from the student that did them. Here is what he recorded in his notes on the foxes he did from you anyway. Just to mention that one of the problems with studies like this is stuff like vegatation and beetle carapaces that the stomach finds hard to break down are over represented. Where as stuff like meat is broken down quicker so less likely to be found. I got a person to look at those hair samples you thought were lamb but he has not got around to it yet! I will chase him up on it again.

 

All the best and thanks again for your help.

 

John Galway

F02 21/03/2007: Plastic, unknown vegetation, apple, rodent, beetles

F07 21/03/2007: Caterpillars, lizard, beetles, leatherjackets and vegetation

F09 01/03/2007: Calf nuts, rabbit and sheep, caterpillars, worms, beetles, seeds.

F11 17/04/07: Sheep

F12 17/04/07: Rabbit or hare, beetles, worms, maggots, leather jackets.

F13 23/04/07: Worms, beetles, pine needles

F14 28/04/07: Sheep, beetles

F15 07/05/07: Dragonfly (most of stomach eaten by birds)

F16 19/05/07: Sheep, beetle

F17 19/05/07: Mice and voles, leather jacket, beetles, ants

F21 20/06/07: Sheep

F24 27/06/07: Field mouse, leather jacket, beetle, coachman, lichen

F25 01/07/07: Carrion, beetles, maggots.

F27 04/04/07: Bird, vegetation, mouse, coachman

F28 11/07/07: Passiforme bird, beetles, vegetation

F29 13/07/07: Sheep carrion, maggots, vegetation, beetles, grasshopper

F39 23/07/07: Sheep carrion, beetles

F40 24/07/07: Sheep carrion, beetles

F41 31/07/07: roundworm, beetles, vegetation seeds

F47 12/08/07: Carrion, slugs, blowfly larvae, beetles, blackberry seeds

F48 13/08/07: Carrion, beetle carapace, blackberries

F49 13/08/07: Domestic cat, rat, crab, vegetation, beetle.

F58 14/10/07: Carrion, maggots, beetles, vegatation

F75 19/10/07: Beetles

F84 31/10/07: Empty

F85 31/10/07: Carrion

F101 11/11/07: Grass, caterpillars, leatherjackets, maggots, beetles.

F102 11/11/07: Beetles

F107 17/11/07: Chicken, apple, grasses

 

I've edited out some of his PM, but the basics are still intact.

 

Things that got my attention, domestic cat, calf nuts (WTF), and pine needles.

 

John I'm sure I've seen this menu somewhere before today

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ooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[StephOC 6]

Really interesting! I'm suprised how many invertebrates were positively identified, (especially ants!)

My job for the next few years is to find out which mammals eat bumblebee nests. Foxes have been accused of doing so, but as of yet there's no proof of this happening in the UK.

This gives me hope! - did the student publish?

[steviebhoy 0]

Hi folks,

 

I can't remember if I posted this before or not. A while back I was giving my shot foxes to a student in the University who was investigating how a disease in cattle which causes abortions spreads. He PM'd me the stomach contents results that he got from another fella, thought I'd post them for the sake of it. No, there's no photos

 

I finally got the results of what was in the stomachs from the student that did them. Here is what he recorded in his notes on the foxes he did from you anyway. Just to mention that one of the problems with studies like this is stuff like vegatation and beetle carapaces that the stomach finds hard to break down are over represented. Where as stuff like meat is broken down quicker so less likely to be found. I got a person to look at those hair samples you thought were lamb but he has not got around to it yet! I will chase him up on it again.

 

All the best and thanks again for your help.

 

John Galway

F02 21/03/2007: Plastic, unknown vegetation, apple, rodent, beetles

F07 21/03/2007: Caterpillars, lizard, beetles, leatherjackets and vegetation

F09 01/03/2007: Calf nuts, rabbit and sheep, caterpillars, worms, beetles, seeds.

F11 17/04/07: Sheep

F12 17/04/07: Rabbit or hare, beetles, worms, maggots, leather jackets.

F13 23/04/07: Worms, beetles, pine needles

F14 28/04/07: Sheep, beetles

F15 07/05/07: Dragonfly (most of stomach eaten by birds)

F16 19/05/07: Sheep, beetle

F17 19/05/07: Mice and voles, leather jacket, beetles, ants

F21 20/06/07: Sheep

F24 27/06/07: Field mouse, leather jacket, beetle, coachman, lichen

F25 01/07/07: Carrion, beetles, maggots.

F27 04/04/07: Bird, vegetation, mouse, coachman

F28 11/07/07: Passiforme bird, beetles, vegetation

F29 13/07/07: Sheep carrion, maggots, vegetation, beetles, grasshopper

F39 23/07/07: Sheep carrion, beetles

F40 24/07/07: Sheep carrion, beetles

F41 31/07/07: roundworm, beetles, vegetation seeds

F47 12/08/07: Carrion, slugs, blowfly larvae, beetles, blackberry seeds

F48 13/08/07: Carrion, beetle carapace, blackberries

F49 13/08/07: Domestic cat, rat, crab, vegetation, beetle.

F58 14/10/07: Carrion, maggots, beetles, vegatation

F75 19/10/07: Beetles

F84 31/10/07: Empty

F85 31/10/07: Carrion

F101 11/11/07: Grass, caterpillars, leatherjackets, maggots, beetles.

F102 11/11/07: Beetles

F107 17/11/07: Chicken, apple, grasses

 

I've edited out some of his PM, but the basics are still intact.

 

Things that got my attention, domestic cat, calf nuts (WTF), and pine needles.

Think that the pine needles would have got there by eating other foods of the forest floor?

How did it catch a grasshopper? Just goes to show what little chance young birds or anything edible has with them round.

[SNAP SHOT 194]

a leatherjacket is a grub found in the soil, i think its the larvae of daddy long legs.

 

correct......... thats a hell of a list

[claybusers al 9]

all the foxs we shoot are on agri college land and we have to send them for a PM sometimes i just want to say a 55 grain .222 ballistic tip did it but it means we dont need to worry about disposal they all need to be bagged and tagged we even gave them all names 1 night didnt go down well but we laughed

[sounder 9]

some lad lost a leatherjackets or did they attack him