sloughi

[Guest mush]

chartpolski, I'm not going to get into a argument about it. Could you tell me were the salukis range suddenly ends and the sloughi, Azawakh, tazi est. starts, as I'm always interested to learn more. most of the names came about from being translated from one language to another as you say the French ruled north Africa so you get sloughi, saluki is a English translation, for the dos that came back from the part they ruled. There was no KC out there, with a breed standard. The hunting dogs were bred best to best as lurchers are over here, the tribes travelled from one area to another with their hunting dogs breeding from what they thought was the best not from what some KC said looked like a so called breed, it was about getting meat to help stay alive. There is one line of salukis in Europe which have been imported with a pedigree that has what we would call saluki, on one side x with a Moroccan import, which if you say are a different breeds would be a sloughi, i go by how they breed there coursing hunting dogs best to best no mater where they come from, and i don't go by what our KC say is right.

[Pennymeadow Whippets 0]

Here is a bit of info

 

Sloughi

 

 

 

Sloughi

 

 

Alternative names

Arabian Greyhound

Sloughi Moghrebi

Country of origin

Morocco

Common nicknames

 

Classification and breed standards

FCI: Group 10 Section 3 #188 Stds

AKC: Hound (FSS) Stds

The AKC Foundation Stock Service (FSS) is an optional recording service for purebred dogs that are not yet eligible for AKC registration.

The AKC Miscellaneous class is for breeds working towards full AKC recognition.

ANKC: Group 4 (Hounds) Stds

CKC: [{{{ckcstd}}} Stds]

The CKC Miscellaneous group is for breeds working towards full CKC recognition.

KC (UK): Hounds Stds

NZKC: Hounds Stds

UKC: Sighthounds & Pariahs Stds

Not recognized by any major kennel club

This breed of dog is extinct

Notes

 

The Sloughi is a breed of dog, specifically a member of the sighthound family. Sloughis are likely closely related to the Azawakh, but not to the Saluki [1].

 

 

Appearance

The Sloughi belongs to the Oriental sighthound family. In appearance, it is a short-haired, middle-sized, strong sighthound with drooping ears. Its expression is often described to be sad. Its muscular system is "dry", that is, the Sloughi has flat and long muscles, which must not be as brawny as those of Greyhounds or Whippets, even when in excellent physical condition. Its back is nearly horizontal (the lumbar region must be slightly vaulted). It has a moderate angulation and a tucked up underline.

 

The Sloughi's eyes are mostly of amber colour. Its skin colour varies from light-sand, red-sand, red- or light-sand brindled, to sand or brindled with a black coat, at times with or without a mask. According to the standard, a Sloughi may only have a small white patch on its chest. Larger white spots on the chest or white toes and boots are excluding for breeding. Its walk is elastic and light-footed.

 

The Sloughi's general view is compact and strong; it may not be too dainty.

 

 

Temperament

It is of sensitive nature yet is an alert and intelligent hound. It is said that Sloughis have a mighty longing for moving and that is not easy to keep them in flats with families; however, a Sloughi does not need more exercise than other dogs of similar size. It loves variety, walking on the leash, romping in the countryside, and racing. A Sloughi is faithful to his owner and it needs him close by. Sloughis are easy to bring up and to train, if you know how to do it. Because the Sloughi is very sensitive, its training shouldn't be oppressive, and any punishment should be omitted. What it likes is a friendly confirmation of its behaviour.

 

 

History

The Sloughi's origin is mostly a matter of speculation. It is thought that Sloughis originally came from the Orient; today they are found almost nowhere except in northern Africa. On old fragments of earthenware (about 3000 B.C.), a short-haired sighthound with lop ears was discovered that looks like a Sloughi. Today, the Sloughi is found only in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and in the Arabian Peninsula, side by side with the Saluki. The Sloughi was and is still used for hunting in its native countries.

[Guest mush]

Of course they are simular breeds, the Saluki was mainly kept by the Bedouin and the sloughi by the Berber's, france controled areas where both breeds ranged, so some cross breeding isnt unlikely, though Saluki's as you say do come in both smooth, and feathered, Sloughi's only come in smooth. There heavyier boned, and in genral there bigger dogs.

 

Both breeds go back a few thousand years, and were developed for simular terrain, deserts, though the sloughis are from the Sahara and the saluki from the middle east.

You also did get feathered and most likely still can, what the KC says are sloughis. You still get, from the places the KC says salukis come from, brindle dogs but the KC says saluki don't come in that colour, which is right what the KC says or the people who bred them in the first place?

[Paid 935]

Isreal borders both ranges, so dogs from that region tend to carry both genes, Morroco, where I lived for a year is at the far end of the Sloughi's range, has the purest Sloughi's due to geological location, and while there I never saw a feathered one. Like you said earlier, feathered ones did turn up in france, but that doesnt mean they do in the atlas mountains.

Though of course the k.c doesnt mean a lot to the owners and workers of this breed, or type, and there not shy of introducing other good stock into the mix, like greyhounds for example.

 

Which is something that can confuse the matter more.

 

You stick to your belife that there just salukis, you dont stand alone in that belife, I just dont hold to it myself.

 

Its an interessting subject, and what ever the finnal outcome from dna testing and species migration mapping shows, there still certainly both breeds that have been running alongside the nomadic tribes for a long long time.

[Paid 935]

PMW the first link you posted is a very interessting read

 

this section in particular

 

http://sloughi.tripod.com/SFAA/MitochondrialDNA.html

 

Seems to show that there is a very distinct differance between the 2 breeds in question.

[Guest mush]

The Israeli KC at one time registered their smoothes as sloughies and the feathered ones as salukis now they are registered as the same breed, salukis, but they also have sloughies which i expect are import from Europe. Most of the English breeders said at one time that you can only get featured salukis and some still think the same. that's why there aren't many smoothes over here, and very few show ch.

Where people stayed in one place you are going to get a strain of coursing dog that mostly look the same ( but that doesn't make them a breed as we now it ) which gradually change as you move from one area to another, most of the tribes at one time where always on the move like the gypsies over here, there coursing dogs as i said would be bred best to best where ever they happened to be at the time. Now a lot of the tribes live in one place, in towns cities so you are going to get more of a typey coursing dog as they don't have such a wide gene pool to breed of, its going to be only rich or the few tribes that still travel that can breed as they once did.

As you say greyhound has been put in but from what i hear don't do very good.

[Paid 935]

Sure, I see your point.

 

But if you read the link on dna you will see that the sloughi

is an ancient breed, very distinct from the saluki, which

supprised me a lot, as I always belived the saluki to be the more

ancient breed, but It seems the saluki has a lot more dogs in its

make up than the sloughi.

 

The dna evidence shows that the sloughi and saluki are as

closely related as the wire haired fox terrier

of the uk is to the sloughi

 

Still, always an interessting subject.

[Guest mush]

If you go with the idea that they are all different breeds, and we know that at one time in Europe and the countries they came from they where interbred how can they have different DNA?

[Paid 935]

Read the link, it shows that the sloughi developed in africa, totaly seperate from the saluki for a few thousand years.

 

It seems the sloughi has survived undiluted in isolation from

cross breeding (or at least the 6 dogs lines whos dna they used)

due to geological remoteness, and has never interbreed with the

saluki, or that if it did, that the lines died out, which is interessting

considering the best worker to best worker theory

[Guest mush]

I don't know nothing about DNA and scientist are only scratching the surface of how it all works.but i do no

Its the same with everything . any report always shows what the interested parties what it to show.

The only way for sure to know is to go back in time which you cant do.

or you can go by how the few remaining roaming tribes breed there hounds.

no mater where you go people who work dogs, breed best to best, its only when KC's get involved that you get breeds which still vary from kennel to kennel.

 

But then this is all just IMO but its interesting reading what others think, you can always learn something

[chartpolski 24,325]

Mush, it's a discussion, not an argument. You and Paid talk about K.C. and D.N.A.; I am only talking from experience. I lived and worked in the Middle East for 26 years and can assure you the Bedu would not pollute, (as they see it), the blood of their pure bred Saluki's with any other breed. A Sheik I know received 2 lurchers from the Queens kennels at Sandringham, as a gift and allways considered them cross bred mongrels, not fit to hunt with his Saluki's, (wouldn't give them to me though!!!). My own Saluki was a gift from the Al Harbi tribe and I have a dvd of his siblings coursing, and their "pedigree" can be traced back as far as any K.C. dog. To say the Sloughi is a Saluki is the same as saying a Chartpolski is the same as a Borzoi, plain wrong.

Cheers.

[Guest mush]

was just making sure it was a discussion first and not a argument as you know what happens .

Its a bit different now but at one time they only had a few types of dogs out there. Coursing , herding est. . and as you say they didn't cross them, and if a crossing did happen they wouldn't keep any of the pups. So I'm not surprised that they wouldn't cross a lurcher in ( which could have any thing in it ) with their coursing dogs, but as Paid says they have crossed in greyhound, why is that if they think its a different breed? Maybe its because they believe a greyhound is a pure coursing dog

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Hey,.come on now guys,..this is getting emotional

We are hunting men,..not researchers of antiquated knowledge gleaned from even more antiquated scrolls.

I've traded with the various Nomadic Tribes in the areas that such running dogs come from,...these dogs ,.Sloughis,..may well have some DNA connection to Salukis,..or whatever,..but who cares

What I can tell you is that their 'temperament and usage' is of no use to me as a rabbit controller,...however,..they are really good at doing what they do on their own turf,..no doubts about that

Lets appreciate the amazing diversity of TYPE that exists in the gaze-hounds from all around the world,..quite how connected they all are to each other, god only knows,..but they obviously are somewhere down the line.

Very interesting topic lads,.. many thanks for raising it...

All the best to ALL crosses,..regards,..CHALKWARREN

[Guest mush]

Hay Chalkwarren we no you like to do a bit of research as well

[chartpolski 24,325]

Hi Chalckwarren, of course your'e right; all sighthounds probably do have a common ancestry, as do ALL breeds of dog.

Mush, I don't know where paid gets his information from regarding the Greyhound, but the Bedu I know, who range from western Arabia to northern Arabia, Jordan, Iraq & Kuwait have probably never seen a Greyhound, let alone introduced it's blood into their Saluki's, which, because of the terrain and climate, would be a backward step anyway.

Cheers.