gun dog info

[mubz2cool 4]

hi all. I have never had a dog but i am now thinking of geting a working gun dog for rough/walkd up shooting. What breed would you all recomend? is self training the better option or getting one pre trained? also would it be a prolem in keeping the dog outside in a purpose built kenal? Any info would be much appriciated.

[kingfisher 0]

i think that the general opinion is that for your 1st its better to get a lab as they are easier to handle and train, spaniels are a bit more wired. i personaly would love a vizsla but have been recomended against getting one for now. but there are lots of helpfull people on here that will be able to help you out alot more than me as i havent even got my dog yet

[Garypco 3]

i think that the general opinion is that for your 1st its better to get a lab as they are easier to handle and train, spaniels are a bit more wired. i personaly would love a vizsla but have been recomended against getting one for now. but there are lots of helpfull people on here that will be able to help you out alot more than me as i havent even got my dog yet

 

 

Aspaniel would be a better choice than a lab...tho im a pointer man myself why have you been advised against a vizsla as far as pointers go they are the most versatile and can be the easyest of pointers to train....

[kingfisher 0]

the guy has said that they can take a long time to mature and that they are quite head strong, although i dont see that as a real problem. plus they can get cold if in water quickly due to short hair. i would much prefere a vizsla over anything else, but to be honest its because of there looks as i havent seen any work . by the way you have a couple of lovely looking dogs

[Garypco 3]

the guy has said that they can take a long time to mature and that they are quite head strong, although i dont see that as a real problem. plus they can get cold if in water quickly due to short hair. i would much prefere a vizsla over anything else, but to be honest its because of there looks as i havent seen any work . by the way you have a couple of lovely looking dogs

dont have a problem with mine...they do suffer a little in cold tho i can count on 1 hand the times ive seen them uncomfortable...maybe twice after a hard days rough shooting then night flighting duck in extreme cold weather.....i have a few vizslas... i dont see them being headstrong the young dog im working at the moment is a little pushy but thats drive more than stubborness....if you do go for a viz make sure you get one from a decent working home...there are a few breeders out there just pretending if you know what i mean..alot of the showyer strains aint worth feeding....mine tend to be smaller and look slightly different to these show type dogs as ive only ever concentrated on working ability....anything you need to kow just ask

 

atb

 

Gaz

[kingfisher 0]

the guy has said that they can take a long time to mature and that they are quite head strong, although i dont see that as a real problem. plus they can get cold if in water quickly due to short hair. i would much prefere a vizsla over anything else, but to be honest its because of there looks as i havent seen any work . by the way you have a couple of lovely looking dogs

dont have a problem with mine...they do suffer a little in cold tho i can count on 1 hand the times ive seen them uncomfortable...maybe twice after a hard days rough shooting then night flighting duck in extreme cold weather.....i have a few vizslas... i dont see them being headstrong the young dog im working at the moment is a little pushy but thats drive more than stubborness....if you do go for a viz make sure you get one from a decent working home...there are a few breeders out there just pretending if you know what i mean..alot of the showyer strains aint worth feeding....mine tend to be smaller and look slightly different to these show type dogs as ive only ever concentrated on working ability....anything you need to kow just ask

 

atb

 

Gaz

ok cheers matey will do

[eshielsgundogs 0]

I would go for a lab for the first dog, although I don't agree they are easier to train than a spaniel, because all dogs are different. I wouldn't use a hpr for rough shooting they are better on the moor pointing and retrieving.

 

If you want a trained or part trained dog I could point you in the right direction, just pm me.

 

All the best with your choice.

 

Ian

Edited December 10, 2008 by eshielsgundogs

[Garypco 3]

The vizsla and the gwp are the closest of working hpr's versatile on the moors but equally as happy in woodland and rough areas,mine have never seen a moor and work alot of places alot of dogs would struggle!!!

 

a spaniel i think would suit better than a lab for rough or walked up shooting...tho ive seen and owned a few good labs a couple would put a spaniel to shame....

 

im biased on the vizsla as they more than fulfil my needs...saying that i guess ur the same way on the lab!!!

horses for courses,fortunetely my horse is russet gold lol....

[steviebhoy 0]

I would go for a lab imo. Probably go for a bitch 1st as they seem to be less head strong than the dogs. Train it yourself because you could pay a bit of money for a trained dog and sometimes they still are not up to the job.

Probably get pelters for saying this but i would steer clear from the vizsla' as SOME of them can be quite aggresive and very protective towards there owners.

[kingfisher 0]

I would go for a lab imo. Probably go for a bitch 1st as they seem to be less head strong than the dogs. Train it yourself because you could pay a bit of money for a trained dog and sometimes they still are not up to the job.

Probably get pelters for saying this but i would steer clear from the vizsla' as SOME of them can be quite aggresive and very protective towards there owners.

how can being protective be a negative thing? would of thought that would be a good thing.

[steviebhoy 0]

I would go for a lab imo. Probably go for a bitch 1st as they seem to be less head strong than the dogs. Train it yourself because you could pay a bit of money for a trained dog and sometimes they still are not up to the job.

Probably get pelters for saying this but i would steer clear from the vizsla' as SOME of them can be quite aggresive and very protective towards there owners.

how can being protective be a negative thing? would of thought that would be a good thing.

Would be a good thing if you were getting attacked in your local park but if you are planning on using it beside other dogs then you might be left with a hefty vets bill or a vizsla with very sore ribs.

[kingfisher 0]

I would go for a lab imo. Probably go for a bitch 1st as they seem to be less head strong than the dogs. Train it yourself because you could pay a bit of money for a trained dog and sometimes they still are not up to the job.

Probably get pelters for saying this but i would steer clear from the vizsla' as SOME of them can be quite aggresive and very protective towards there owners.

how can being protective be a negative thing? would of thought that would be a good thing.

Would be a good thing if you were getting attacked in your local park but if you are planning on using it beside other dogs then you might be left with a hefty vets bill or a vizsla with very sore ribs.

fair enough

[hily 380]

hi all. I have never had a dog but i am now thinking of geting a working gun dog for rough/walkd up shooting. What breed would you all recomend? is self training the better option or getting one pre trained? also would it be a prolem in keeping the dog outside in a purpose built kenal? Any info would be much appriciated.

english springer dog for the job many good books dvd's etc to help with training and there is some very good trainers out there cost of training against diy ?If you go down the diy route take alook at as many books as possible borrow if you can one good auther is joe irvine DO THIS BEFORE YOU BUY A DOG.As for outside kennerling its the best place for a gundog if you keep the puppy outside from day one it will know no other place and will be happy in it's own space. rough shooting is nowt without a dog . Goodluck.

[eshielsgundogs 0]

The vizsla and the gwp are the closest of working hpr's versatile on the moors but equally as happy in woodland and rough areas,mine have never seen a moor and work alot of places alot of dogs would struggle!!!

 

a spaniel i think would suit better than a lab for rough or walked up shooting...tho ive seen and owned a few good labs a couple would put a spaniel to shame....

 

im biased on the vizsla as they more than fulfil my needs...saying that i guess ur the same way on the lab!!!

horses for courses,fortunetely my horse is russet gold lol....

 

I have seen hpr working in woodland but the area needs to be pretty clear to see through the trees. What is amazing is seeing the hpr breed work on the moor, it really does take your breath away. I did a training day with hpr with a friend, and some of the dogs were complete rubbish, and a couple were very good. So what ever you go for check the quality of breeding. Some hpr's can be quite noisey.

 

Ian

[withnellmoor 0]

First off mate..if this dog is going to be your hunting partner for the next 10 years or so..go for the breed you like..do your homework on the breeding etc...and on the training..Its what you do with the dog thats important...their are pro's and cons to the breeds above..but if your rough shooting ..walk up etc does it really matter???

 

At the moment I've got a thing for cockers...to say they will suffer from cold is just rubbish and I would suggest the person has never owned one..shot over them etc..

 

Part trained//trained is an option and CAN save you money and time..or cost you a fortune...their will be some real bargains coming up in February BUT be carefull their are all sorts of Walter Mitty's knocking about...use this forum if you see one and ask about it on here..their are some expereinced trainers..trialers on here who will offer good..true advice...not somebody who has only been at the job for 5 minutes..

 

All the best mate

 

Regards

 

Kev