Acd pups at 5 weeks

[bluecollar 104]

hard as nails hang off the tail of a bull or cow to move them lazy bugger out in the field

 

This is where it gets tricky as IMO a dog that bites the "ass" is a coward.. If they wont go head to head w/ the bull it is not confident IMO.. I lived where cattle ranching is a every day thing and have seen many dogs work cattle and this is just my thoughts... Plus when I talk Borders I am not talking soft sheep dogs I am talking "COW DOGS" used to bring in free range cattle(even then you need a BMC most of the time).. Now this may be what you are looking for a more sneeky dog I dont know that is why I asked, we use most lurcher types for yote and a ass biter will get culled quick.. Again not trying to start anything just get an idea of what you are breeding for... I assume you are going for small game and I dont have any experience w/ that that is why I am asking.. I look forward to the responses..

[lamper12 30]

smart little dog you got there lamper, hows he bred,??

 

collie/greyxbeddy/whippet/grey.

hes alright

[fireman 10,917]

hard as nails hang off the tail of a bull or cow to move them lazy bugger out in the field

 

This is where it gets tricky as IMO a dog that bites the "ass" is a coward.. If they wont go head to head w/ the bull it is not confident IMO.. I lived where cattle ranching is a every day thing and have seen many dogs work cattle and this is just my thoughts... Plus when I talk Borders I am not talking soft sheep dogs I am talking "COW DOGS" used to bring in free range cattle(even then you need a BMC most of the time).. Now this may be what you are looking for a more sneeky dog I dont know that is why I asked, we use most lurcher types for yote and a ass biter will get culled quick.. Again not trying to start anything just get an idea of what you are breeding for... I assume you are going for small game and I dont have any experience w/ that that is why I am asking.. I look forward to the responses..

Know what your saying mate but the acd is classed as a heeler type herding dog,one that will naturaly bite the heels of a stubbon cow or sheep.The acd is used in Australia in the same manner as your american ones in to round up free ranging cattle over tough ground.Farming methods have changed in the GB and the need for such dogs is not as common as it used to be,thats why a lot of collie bassed lurchers in the GB are border blooded and sheep herding or show collies at that.We took the oppertunity to breed from a acd which as it goes was not a working dog as such but a dog with a lot of natural working insticts still,this is a breed that at this time has not been ruinend by the show world,it is a breed that shows it history well,a tough little critter designed to work in a tough enviroment and most are still caperble of this.We are as such limeted to what we can test these on due to the hunting law in the UK but i will be testing my pup to the max,pre ban this cross has taken ALL british quarry.I want out of my pup a very hard but biddable dog caperble of thinking for itself and one that will have the body to handle the rough and tumble,aslo want it to tackle stuff head on and i think this cross will do this more than a border cross but we shall see.Don't mind the questions mate, one for you.Have you seen Wild Rover's pics of his dog and his pals old dog,if you have do you think they have the look to be able to pull big game?.Speckled dog for Fireman post mate,just asking from someone who does pull big stuff thats all.

[Guest night time my time]

in everything iv managed to find out adout the breed,one of the things required of the dog was that it was needed to face down wild cattle face on if needs be but then i have a collie greyhound x that would do this and likely try pull them given half a chance,its hard to say as i dont know the acd bitch aswell but certianly fear of anything doesnt seem to be in her make up and when out around cattle she does tend to start strutting and looking to get into them.

Edited December 6, 2008 by night time my time

[Kay 3,709]

The pups look so content there beautifull

[bluecollar 104]

hard as nails hang off the tail of a bull or cow to move them lazy bugger out in the field

 

This is where it gets tricky as IMO a dog that bites the "ass" is a coward.. If they wont go head to head w/ the bull it is not confident IMO.. I lived where cattle ranching is a every day thing and have seen many dogs work cattle and this is just my thoughts... Plus when I talk Borders I am not talking soft sheep dogs I am talking "COW DOGS" used to bring in free range cattle(even then you need a BMC most of the time).. Now this may be what you are looking for a more sneeky dog I dont know that is why I asked, we use most lurcher types for yote and a ass biter will get culled quick.. Again not trying to start anything just get an idea of what you are breeding for... I assume you are going for small game and I dont have any experience w/ that that is why I am asking.. I look forward to the responses..

Know what your saying mate but the acd is classed as a heeler type herding dog,one that will naturaly bite the heels of a stubbon cow or sheep.The acd is used in Australia in the same manner as your american ones in to round up free ranging cattle over tough ground.Farming methods have changed in the GB and the need for such dogs is not as common as it used to be,thats why a lot of collie bassed lurchers in the GB are border blooded and sheep herding or show collies at that.We took the oppertunity to breed from a acd which as it goes was not a working dog as such but a dog with a lot of natural working insticts still,this is a breed that at this time has not been ruinend by the show world,it is a breed that shows it history well,a tough little critter designed to work in a tough enviroment and most are still caperble of this.We are as such limeted to what we can test these on due to the hunting law in the UK but i will be testing my pup to the max,pre ban this cross has taken ALL british quarry.I want out of my pup a very hard but biddable dog caperble of thinking for itself and one that will have the body to handle the rough and tumble,aslo want it to tackle stuff head on and i think this cross will do this more than a border cross but we shall see.Don't mind the questions mate, one for you.Have you seen Wild Rover's pics of his dog and his pals old dog,if you have do you think they have the look to be able to pull big game?.Speckled dog for Fireman post mate,just asking from someone who does pull big stuff thats all.

 

 

GREAT POST!! everything you said makes sense, and I hope you and your mates luck w/ the litter.. Have not seen wild rovers dogs, here they used to cross a bit of pit in, but you had to be careful, and only a 1/4 of the litters were keepers BUT they were great... I will try to get you guys some pics from over here of them..

[Guest night time my time]

sounds intresting,pit was already in the oridgenal make up as the gene pool in early ozz gave breeders little to choose from and pit dogs were among the few others tacken over with early settlers,even the native dingo was used to widen the choice,hence the ears,

[fireman 10,917]

I think the first dingo x was made by mistake maybe with a ranchers acd bitch out with him in the wilderness looking after the cattle and she came into season.The dingo smelt her and crossed her and maybe the resulting litter were of a good enough quality for other acd owners to try to do the same,saying this how many acd bitches would have been out in the bush working and comming into season throughout Austrailia and i would think this may have happened a few times and the resulting crosses being better than the original type so the breeders went down this road.Just my thoughts thats all,whatever way they did it it worked out well.

[Guest night time my time]

gooder theory as any,as you say,it worked,got the feeling a large dash of large greyhound should work also

[wild rover 548]

gooder theory as any,as you say,it worked,got the feeling a large dash of large greyhound should work also

 

Good stuff, both you and Fireman need to get the book, Australian Barkers and Biters, by Robert Kaleski, look on the website, vintagedogbooks.com a very good book.

[fireman 10,917]

I think the first dingo x was made by mistake maybe with a ranchers acd bitch out with him in the wilderness looking after the cattle and she came into season.The dingo smelt her and crossed her and maybe the resulting litter were of a good enough quality for other acd owners to try to do the same,saying this how many acd bitches would have been out in the bush working and comming into season throughout Austrailia and i would think this may have happened a few times and the resulting crosses being better than the original type so the breeders went down this road.Just my thoughts thats all,whatever way they did it it worked out well.

Wasn't i talking pish ,seems to have been deliberatly bred from captive dingos and herding dogs.Itsozi kennels have a imformative web site.

[Guest night time my time]

I think the first dingo x was made by mistake maybe with a ranchers acd bitch out with him in the wilderness looking after the cattle and she came into season.The dingo smelt her and crossed her and maybe the resulting litter were of a good enough quality for other acd owners to try to do the same,saying this how many acd bitches would have been out in the bush working and comming into season throughout Austrailia and i would think this may have happened a few times and the resulting crosses being better than the original type so the breeders went down this road.Just my thoughts thats all,whatever way they did it it worked out well.

Wasn't i talking pish ,seems to have been deliberatly bred from captive dingos and herding dogs.Itsozi kennels have a imformative web site.

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