trader 0 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 pictures of graham nicholson dog . thanks Mike will try and get some better photos useless with computers i would have thought if the pups throw to this type of coat or even half of it they would be a nightmare to work in cover. however having said that bedlington crosses dont have much problems. the standard poodle is a highly intelligent dog and could well produce good allround workers. by keeping back a dog pup and working it to the max,crossed with greyhound bitches [with good feet]you could breed youself some good 3/4 breds. how their stamina would hold up though i dont know. are they known for there stamina ? just to add i think hancocks got some photos of some 1st crosses he took at lambourn lurcher show, he may be worth giving a ring Quote Link to post
fielder 18 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 a mate of a mate of mine has a first x gr-oodle25 tts an does most things a collie x can do bit nippy wae strangers tho, an he retreive a snow ball fae hell if you asked him dont mark true tho, but neither does the guys other dog a beardie collie x so it might have something to do with the up bringing anyways keep us posted mate i think they will work out awrite Lets see some pictures of poodle lurchers. Quote Link to post
shepp 2,285 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Here is my POODLE he best all round dog you will ever see he is for sale 3 grand What sort of prick would give a dog a hair cut like that Quote Link to post
Graham Nicholson 0 Posted December 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) a mate of a mate of mine has a first x gr-oodle25 tts an does most things a collie x can do bit nippy wae strangers tho, an he retreive a snow ball fae hell if you asked him dont mark true tho, but neither does the guys other dog a beardie collie x so it might have something to do with the up bringing anyways keep us posted mate i think they will work out awrite cheers mate will post them up when its all completed I'm really looking forward to the project. Edited December 8, 2008 by Graham Nicholson Quote Link to post
Tracy36 0 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 just my opinion (humble as it may be) don't see much point in clipping poodles like that anymore unless they are working. Aren't the fluffy bits (uncut ) supposed to act like floats when they are in the water? only floating about they do (most of them) is around the dog ring! But hey supposed to be intelligent..... Quote Link to post
Lurcherlovr 0 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) just my opinion (humble as it may be) don't see much point in clipping poodles like that anymore unless they are working. Aren't the fluffy bits (uncut ) supposed to act like floats when they are in the water? only floating about they do (most of them) is around the dog ring! But hey supposed to be intelligent..... Ok I looked on another forum where some one has a poodle and this is what she said about a working cut. The faces are clipped to make it easier for the poodle to carry the waterfowl it is retrieving. The current standard also calls for tight lips because loose lips would allow water to enter the dogs mouth while it is swimming and make it have a hard mouth, aka, damage the bird. The feet are clipped to expose the webbing, thus making swimming easier. The main body is left long for bouyancy, holding the main body and head above the water with little effort from the dog. Also leaving the main body covered in hair protected the heart and lungs against the cold water. The tail was docked to reduce drag, but has a pom at the end to protect the tip from the cold water and as a marker for the hunter to keep track of the dog. The hind end was clipped to allow more power to the hind quarters while swimming, no hair, no drag. But hair was left over the hip joints and around the ankles both in front and in back to protect those joints from the cold water, thus the hip rosettes and bracelets we see today in the Contenital trim, the English saddle trim also protects the knee joints and leaves more hair on the hind quarters, but a shorter hair to still give the hind quarters the drive to swim. Edited December 8, 2008 by Lurcherlovr Quote Link to post
roybo 2,873 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) just my opinion (humble as it may be) don't see much point in clipping poodles like that anymore unless they are working. Aren't the fluffy bits (uncut ) supposed to act like floats when they are in the water? only floating about they do (most of them) is around the dog ring! But hey supposed to be intelligent..... Ok I looked on another forum where some one has a poodle and this is what she said about a working cut. The faces are clipped to make it easier for the poodle to carry the waterfowl it is retrieving. The current standard also calls for tight lips because loose lips would allow water to enter the dogs mouth while it is swimming and make it have a hard mouth, aka, damage the bird. The feet are clipped to expose the webbing, thus making swimming easier. The main body is left long for bouyancy, holding the main body and head above the water with little effort from the dog. Also leaving the main body covered in hair protected the heart and lungs against the cold water. The tail was docked to reduce drag, but has a pom at the end to protect the tip from the cold water and as a marker for the hunter to keep track of the dog. The hind end was clipped to allow more power to the hind quarters while swimming, no hair, no drag. But hair was left over the hip joints and around the ankles both in front and in back to protect those joints from the cold water, thus the hip rosettes and bracelets we see today in the Contenital trim, the English saddle trim also protects the knee joints and leaves more hair on the hind quarters, but a shorter hair to still give the hind quarters the drive to swim. or maybe it's just a load of boll**ks just fashion pure and simple,shaving a dog,bald, that swims in icy water aint going to help it nor is having a mass of over long hair,imagine swimming naked but a big mohair jumper on,(you'd be knicked i expect) mind you (mental note must try that) Edited December 8, 2008 by roybo Quote Link to post
Lurcherlovr 0 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I wonder what you think of corded poodles then. Quote Link to post
riohog 5,701 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I wonder what you think of corded poodles then. cords dreadlocks is this a rasta poodle? Quote Link to post
smudge1901 1 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 just my opinion (humble as it may be) don't see much point in clipping poodles like that anymore unless they are working. Aren't the fluffy bits (uncut ) supposed to act like floats when they are in the water? only floating about they do (most of them) is around the dog ring! But hey supposed to be intelligent..... Ok I looked on another forum where some one has a poodle and this is what she said about a working cut. The faces are clipped to make it easier for the poodle to carry the waterfowl it is retrieving. The current standard also calls for tight lips because loose lips would allow water to enter the dogs mouth while it is swimming and make it have a hard mouth, aka, damage the bird. The feet are clipped to expose the webbing, thus making swimming easier. The main body is left long for bouyancy, holding the main body and head above the water with little effort from the dog. Also leaving the main body covered in hair protected the heart and lungs against the cold water. The tail was docked to reduce drag, but has a pom at the end to protect the tip from the cold water and as a marker for the hunter to keep track of the dog. The hind end was clipped to allow more power to the hind quarters while swimming, no hair, no drag. But hair was left over the hip joints and around the ankles both in front and in back to protect those joints from the cold water, thus the hip rosettes and bracelets we see today in the Contenital trim, the English saddle trim also protects the knee joints and leaves more hair on the hind quarters, but a shorter hair to still give the hind quarters the drive to swim. Your spot on, that ridiculus hair cut is actually to make it a better worker, shame it looks so daft....It does all make sense and I doubt that it would have been so tidy in years gone by, so would have looked a bit more rugged... Quote Link to post
Lurcherlovr 0 Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 just my opinion (humble as it may be) don't see much point in clipping poodles like that anymore unless they are working. Aren't the fluffy bits (uncut ) supposed to act like floats when they are in the water? only floating about they do (most of them) is around the dog ring! But hey supposed to be intelligent..... Ok I looked on another forum where some one has a poodle and this is what she said about a working cut. The faces are clipped to make it easier for the poodle to carry the waterfowl it is retrieving. The current standard also calls for tight lips because loose lips would allow water to enter the dogs mouth while it is swimming and make it have a hard mouth, aka, damage the bird. The feet are clipped to expose the webbing, thus making swimming easier. The main body is left long for bouyancy, holding the main body and head above the water with little effort from the dog. Also leaving the main body covered in hair protected the heart and lungs against the cold water. The tail was docked to reduce drag, but has a pom at the end to protect the tip from the cold water and as a marker for the hunter to keep track of the dog. The hind end was clipped to allow more power to the hind quarters while swimming, no hair, no drag. But hair was left over the hip joints and around the ankles both in front and in back to protect those joints from the cold water, thus the hip rosettes and bracelets we see today in the Contenital trim, the English saddle trim also protects the knee joints and leaves more hair on the hind quarters, but a shorter hair to still give the hind quarters the drive to swim. Your spot on, that ridiculus hair cut is actually to make it a better worker, shame it looks so daft....It does all make sense and I doubt that it would have been so tidy in years gone by, so would have looked a bit more rugged... People have exaggerated it to a point that it looks silly bless them, and some people have given a great working dog a bad name aswell, they are great dogs, that are know known more for their looks then their intelligence and working ability. Quote Link to post
victor 10 Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 thay have the drove. my auntie has one ( non hunter) and it kills birds in the back yard. Quote Link to post
Graham Nicholson 0 Posted December 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 just my opinion (humble as it may be) don't see much point in clipping poodles like that anymore unless they are working. Aren't the fluffy bits (uncut ) supposed to act like floats when they are in the water? only floating about they do (most of them) is around the dog ring! But hey supposed to be intelligent..... The fluffy bits as you refer to them are kept long to protect organs from chilling in icy water Quote Link to post
Tracy36 0 Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 so i believe GN. LL has just given a full explanation of the clipping and the reasons are valid. interesting but redundant if the dog isn't working. just wondered how many in the show ring actually see water that isn't scented with jasmine and has loads of bubbles! I do know a couple of people who own poodles and reckon they are cracking dogs, can't fault them. oh well, each to his own. p.s. whoooo fluffy bits ;-) sorry unclipped portions of the canines coat. Quote Link to post
Lurcherlovr 0 Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I wonder what you think of corded poodles then. cords dreadlocks is this a rasta poodle? lol, there are some who show them like that, they encourage the hair to cord by allowing the coat to dry naturally instead of blow drying it. so i believe GN. LL has just given a full explanation of the clipping and the reasons are valid. interesting but redundant if the dog isn't working. just wondered how many in the show ring actually see water that isn't scented with jasmine and has loads of bubbles! I do know a couple of people who own poodles and reckon they are cracking dogs, can't fault them. oh well, each to his own. p.s. whoooo fluffy bits ;-) sorry unclipped portions of the canines coat. Its like a lot of show dogs, people do go OTT with how they look, and then they end up looking quite not so nice, some owners just like the fact that their dog has champions in its lines, which tbh I would rather have a good healthy dog for cheaper then going to some champion show breeders for just a pet. And I like the bit about the water, on a different dog has anyone thought of breeding a Irish water spaniel to a Greyhound, they are used for work a lot more then a poodle, so might be just as good if not better? Quote Link to post
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