csme55ex 2 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 How old are you? If you have received a custodial sentence of between 3 months and 3 years then you'll be prohibited for a period of 5 years from the date you are released. If you have received a custodial sentence of 3 years or more then you'll be prohibited for life, from the date of release. Its the anger management that might be a problem here. Health plays a major part in owning a gun. im 21 i went to a youth offenders when i was 16 only for 4months do 2months for some stupid public order thing .. i think the judge must of had a bad day or somthink .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikecat1 0 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 i got my licence back 8mts ago, it went through fine. my mate had a ABH 6 years back and his photos & cheque came back within 2 weeks. becouse of ABH he didnt have a chance good luck mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SportingShooter 0 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Nobody on this thread or forum can say if this man will be granted a Shotgun Certificate or not. The case will go on his own merits, his history of offenses will be looked at, a possible report from his Doctor as to his current state of health and many other background checks, PNC , CRB etc etc They will know straight away that he has a conviction for ABH, but you never know if that will cause him to be refused or not. I agree his chances are slim with a charge such as that, and he may be better waiting for a few years first, he wasn't given a custodial sentence, nor was it longer than five years, he was given 12 months probation and the anger management course was thrown out. People who have far more serious convictions than that have Shotgun Certificates. As someone else on this thread said, They have to follow Home Office guidelines, which in this case wouldn't even qualify for a five year ban. The only way he will ever know for sure is to fill in an application form and find out. He will have his Cheque and Photographs back if he is unsuccessful and so has nothing to lose. SS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chid 6,677 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 i think you'd be best off joining some one like SACS before you apply i'm sure foxgun tom mentioned in a post some where that SACS helped some one get a sgc even though they had numorous convictions in the past . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csme55ex 2 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 (edited) i think you'd be best off joining some one like SACS before you apply i'm sure foxgun tom mentioned in a post some where that SACS helped some one get a sgc even though they had numorous convictions in the past .[/quot] Edited November 25, 2008 by csme55ex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stealthy1 3,964 Posted November 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 The lad in question only has that one conviction, he thought he may stand a chance because he had his probation and anger management course quashed, maybe your right about a visit to see the firearms officer, that seems a logical first step. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
COMPO 54 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 If you have received a custodial sentence of between 3 months and 3 years then you'll be prohibited for a period of 5 years from the date you are released. If you have received a custodial sentence of 3 years or more then you'll be prohibited for life, from the date of release. Thats what i was going to say! Plus Shotgun cert's are a civic right and they have to prove why you aren't allowed one! Firearms its the other way round and you have to prove why you need one! Ring the Firearms enquiry unit at your local nick and ask......if they say no ask why....then go to sacs and ask for help/advice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SportingShooter 0 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Thats what i was going to say! Plus Shotgun cert's are a civic right and they have to prove why you aren't allowed one! Firearms its the other way round and you have to prove why you need one! Ring the Firearms enquiry unit at your local nick and ask......if they say no ask why....then go to sacs and ask for help/advice! Good Advice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
farlap 19 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Sorry mate tell your friend hes got NO chance,any charges for assault,violence, or even drunk and disorderly will be a straight NO.Police forces throughout the uk all are bound by Home Office regulations. Tell your mate Dont waste your time.If he wants to go shooting he can accompany you or someone with a gun on private land with permission i thought that the law said you could only shoot without a sgl, if the person accompanying you, and who holds the sgl, also owned the land you were shooting on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SportingShooter 0 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Sorry mate tell your friend hes got NO chance,any charges for assault,violence, or even drunk and disorderly will be a straight NO.Police forces throughout the uk all are bound by Home Office regulations. Tell your mate Dont waste your time.If he wants to go shooting he can accompany you or someone with a gun on private land with permission i thought that the law said you could only shoot without a sgl, if the person accompanying you, and who holds the sgl, also owned the land you were shooting on? You need to be in the "Company" of the SGC Holder if you want to borrow the gun, but can borrow one on any land they have permission. In the "Company" basically means in earshot of them. For a Rifle, if you stick to the true wording of the "Estate Condition" then you would need to in the company of the Landowner or a Servant of the Landowner in order to use the rifle. But Home Office guidance recommends that the Definition of a Servant be the same as Section 27 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act, which defines a servant as "Anyone who has the right to Hunt, Shoot or Fish on the land". So Depending on which one you follow, and the one which your licensing department(Chief Constable) follows, you can have two different answers. I know my Police Force are not that happy about using the latter definition, preferring to stick to the original condition. SS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csme55ex 2 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 me and a friend both applied for our shotgun certs together, and he has served two jail sentences before for gbh and abh, and drunk and disorderly. He explained to the Feo that this was ten years ago, and that he now lives in very different circumstances, with a new life with a new wife, and childeren. He has calmed down a lot and has responsibilities now. Hes around 40. They granted his cert but under a special ruling that he had to sign. And lasts for 5 years I believe Basically if he even gets caught dropping a sweet wrapper, hel loose it, so he has to stay as clean as a very clean whistle.... thats good to hear so maybe one day when im abit older i be how to get one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
STAN22 3 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Hi im 23 years old and at the age of 21 i got my shotgun license with 2 gbh's against me. The firearms officer said it was how his first impressions were of me when he came to see me. But did mention that if i was to do it again it would be gone. Im not proud of what i did (drunken fighting) but its not always the persons record. Dont judge a book by its cover. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
farlap 19 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Tell your mate Dont waste your time.If he wants to go shooting he can accompany you or someone with a gun on private land with permission i thought that the law said you could only shoot without a sgl, if the person accompanying you, and who holds the sgl, also owned the land you were shooting on? You need to be in the "Company" of the SGC Holder if you want to borrow the gun, but can borrow one on any land they have permission. In the "Company" basically means in earshot of them. SS really? well I copied this from our local forces website. 11. Can I try shooting without holding a certificate? Yes, under certain circumstances. Many approved shotgun clubs and Registered Firearms Dealers hold open days, where people without certificates can fire club guns to test their interest in the sport. The club or dealer must hold a section 11(6) permit, issued by the police, which allows these events on a limited number of days each year. Approved rifle and muzzle-loading clubs will allow the shooting of club guns providing you are a club member. Clubs also allow non-members to use club weapons on a limited number of days as guests. You may also shoot shotguns and rifles when accompanied by a certificate-holding landowner or their agent, such as a game warden. You must, however, shoot on the owner's land, using their weapons within the limitations of the certificate for that weapon. You may not borrow another person's gun if they do not occupy the land you intend to shoot on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SportingShooter 0 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 That was the word I was looking for!! "Occupier". I was trying to think of it for my original post but couldn't and when I looked up what you posted above it jogged my memory Anyway. The Occupier of Private Land is a contentious issue. As with the Estate Condition for Rifles, the "Occupier" should be taken to be that which is Defined in Section 27 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act. Which terms an Occupier as someone who has the right to "Hunt, Shoot and Fish" on the Land. Now again it is up to the Chief Constable of your force what definition he follows, the one I describe above is almost Universal for Shotguns, Rifles are sometimes more tricky. Apologies for the confusion It's all from memory so bound to get things mixed up SS Here's where I got the info from if anyone wants to look http://www.basc.org.uk/media/non-cert_holders.pdf http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/Act...6#pt1-pb5-l1g37Section 27(1) P: "Occupier" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest night time my time Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 i know a chap went to prison,came out on his 5 year fire arms ban,went to court to get it overturned for sake of pest control work,now owns fac aswell a sgc, also had extreamly rich family,dont know if money talks or who you know made a differance, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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