PELLET EXPANSION

[RAMCAM 4]

I have found that an RWS SuperDome in .177 works well when put into the breech arse about face?

 

When fired, the arse-end of the pellet hits the target first of all. It makes for the mother of all hollow-points!

 

 

Always worked well for me at the closer ranges, like?

 

 

 

Regards,

Grim.

 

thanks grim

[Mohamed Tassem 0]

I've tried loading pellets backwards and it works absolutely fine out to 15 yards. The funny thing is that Hollow points are best for being loaded backwards. Perhaps the hollow head acts like a skirt!

 

Domed heads performed the worst, wadcutters were good, but tumbled a lot.

 

At 15 yards, an FAC rated air rifle will expand a reverse loaded pellet so much that you'd be shocked!

 

But its best to try out different pellets and see how they perform when loaded backwards. The same process as finding a pellet which performs well when loaded right! lol..

 

Another thing you can try is to make small cuts on the skirt using a pin, without damaging the shape and making sure that the cut is not too deep. This tends to blow the skirt apart on impact. Accuracy remains almost unchanged.

 

But since this is all for the fun of experimentation, I would not try them on live quarry unless absolutely sure of the results.

[RAMCAM 4]

I've tried loading pellets backwards and it works absolutely fine out to 15 yards. The funny thing is that Hollow points are best for being loaded backwards. Perhaps the hollow head acts like a skirt!

 

Domed heads performed the worst, wadcutters were good, but tumbled a lot.

 

At 15 yards, an FAC rated air rifle will expand a reverse loaded pellet so much that you'd be shocked!

 

But its best to try out different pellets and see how they perform when loaded backwards. The same process as finding a pellet which performs well when loaded right! lol..

 

Another thing you can try is to make small cuts on the skirt using a pin, without damaging the shape and making sure that the cut is not too deep. This tends to blow the skirt apart on impact. Accuracy remains almost unchanged.

 

But since this is all for the fun of experimentation, I would not try them on live quarry unless absolutely sure of the results.

 

thanks for the info nice one mate.

[hiho 5]

this is helpful

http://home.hiwaay.net/~ispellan/PelletTest02.html

[RAMCAM 4]

this is helpful

http://home.hiwaay.net/~ispellan/PelletTest02.html

 

very helpful thanks

[Molie1337 35]

Ghillies

surely you mean Ft/lbs not fps ?

 

Ramcam, try norica killer pellets, they have a star shaped hollow point rather than round, allways wanted to try them for hunting but they only do .177, and ive only got .22, cant be doing with the "girly calibre", plus ive got fingers like sausages so the bigger pellet is harder 2 drop! got any permission yet ?

 

No permission as yet, i will try these norica pellets, thought about .22 but might as well buy a catapult or throw stones instead.

girlie calibre did you say MOLLY MOLLY :kiss:

 

thanks

 

 

come back when youve got some permission and tell me how 2 shoot......177 over penetrates, lead at the relatively slow speeds of an air rifle will NOT buckle or break up, most of the time (if you ever get a permission you might find out) if you dig a pellet out of a rabbit etc you could stick it back in the gun and do another with it, maybe a bit of "smearing" where its hit bone and that but pellet expantion pretty much doesnt happen with sub 12ft air rifles, so its all about the punching power, 22 is a wider surface area and therefore tranfers more energy into the target, causing more muscle/organ damage. a 177 can go straight though, making a small hole right through, carrying the energy with it.

 

.22 has allways been fine for me. each to his own. you keep paper punching...

 

Molie

[RAMCAM 4]

Ghillies

surely you mean Ft/lbs not fps ?

 

Ramcam, try norica killer pellets, they have a star shaped hollow point rather than round, allways wanted to try them for hunting but they only do .177, and ive only got .22, cant be doing with the "girly calibre", plus ive got fingers like sausages so the bigger pellet is harder 2 drop! got any permission yet ?

 

No permission as yet, i will try these norica pellets, thought about .22 but might as well buy a catapult or throw stones instead.

girlie calibre did you say MOLLY MOLLY :kiss:

 

thanks

 

 

come back when youve got some permission and tell me how 2 shoot......177 over penetrates, lead at the relatively slow speeds of an air rifle will NOT buckle or break up, most of the time (if you ever get a permission you might find out) if you dig a pellet out of a rabbit etc you could stick it back in the gun and do another with it, maybe a bit of "smearing" where its hit bone and that but pellet expantion pretty much doesnt happen with sub 12ft air rifles, so its all about the punching power, 22 is a wider surface area and therefore tranfers more energy into the target, causing more muscle/organ damage. a 177 can go straight though, making a small hole right through, carrying the energy with it.

 

.22 has allways been fine for me. each to his own. you keep paper punching...

 

Molie

I AM WELL AWARE OF OVER PENETRATION THAT WHY I AM ASKING ABOUT PELLET EXPANSION. DID HAVE A .22 MY SELF NOT TELLING YOU HOW TO SHOOT. I WENT FOR .177 BECAUSE I CAN SHOOT AT THE RANGE ASWELL IT IS TWICE AS HARD FOR ME TO GAIN PERMISSION IN MY OPINION BEING JAMAICAN SO I DID NOT WANT TO WAIST MONEY BUYING A .22 BECAUSE I COULD NOT SHOOT ANYWHERE FROM PREVIOUS EXPERIANCE. YOU CAN NOT TAKE A .22 TO THE RANGE. I AM ALSO CONSIDERING FIELD TARGET SHOOTING THATS WHY I BOUGHT A 8-32X60IR MTC VIPER SCOPE, WHEN I HAVE FINISHED SAVING FOR MY OWN BIT OF AGRICULTERAL LAND I WILL ALSO CONSIDER A .22 BUT FOR NOW A HUNTING HOLIDAY WILL DO ME FINE.

 

THANKS FOR THE INFO MOLLY.

Edited November 26, 2008 by RAMCAM

[Molie1337 35]

Ghillies

surely you mean Ft/lbs not fps ?

 

Ramcam, try norica killer pellets, they have a star shaped hollow point rather than round, allways wanted to try them for hunting but they only do .177, and ive only got .22, cant be doing with the "girly calibre", plus ive got fingers like sausages so the bigger pellet is harder 2 drop! got any permission yet ?

 

No permission as yet, i will try these norica pellets, thought about .22 but might as well buy a catapult or throw stones instead.

girlie calibre did you say MOLLY MOLLY :kiss:

 

thanks

 

 

come back when youve got some permission and tell me how 2 shoot......177 over penetrates, lead at the relatively slow speeds of an air rifle will NOT buckle or break up, most of the time (if you ever get a permission you might find out) if you dig a pellet out of a rabbit etc you could stick it back in the gun and do another with it, maybe a bit of "smearing" where its hit bone and that but pellet expantion pretty much doesnt happen with sub 12ft air rifles, so its all about the punching power, 22 is a wider surface area and therefore tranfers more energy into the target, causing more muscle/organ damage. a 177 can go straight though, making a small hole right through, carrying the energy with it.

 

.22 has allways been fine for me. each to his own. you keep paper punching...

 

Molie

I AM WELL AWARE OF OVER PENETRATION THAT WHY I AM ASKING ABOUT PELLET EXPANSION. DID HAVE A .22 MY SELF NOT TELLING YOU HOW TO SHOOT. I WENT FOR .177 BECAUSE I CAN SHOOT AT THE RANGE ASWELL IT IS TWICE AS HARD FOR ME TO GAIN PERMISSION IN MY OPINION BEING JAMAICAN SO I DID NOT WANT TO WAIST MONEY BUYING A .22 BECAUSE I COULD NOT SHOOT ANYWHERE FROM PREVIOUS EXPERIANCE. YOU CAN NOT TAKE A .22 TO THE RANGE.

 

THANKS FOR THE INFO MOLLY.

 

its Molie as in moley not the birds name molly!! what area you in, maybe sum1 can help with permission?! i didnt know u cant use .22 at ranges, never been to one!! good luck anyway buddy.

 

Molie

[RAMCAM 4]

Ghillies

surely you mean Ft/lbs not fps ?

 

Ramcam, try norica killer pellets, they have a star shaped hollow point rather than round, allways wanted to try them for hunting but they only do .177, and ive only got .22, cant be doing with the "girly calibre", plus ive got fingers like sausages so the bigger pellet is harder 2 drop! got any permission yet ?

 

No permission as yet, i will try these norica pellets, thought about .22 but might as well buy a catapult or throw stones instead.

girlie calibre did you say MOLLY MOLLY :kiss:

 

thanks

 

 

come back when youve got some permission and tell me how 2 shoot......177 over penetrates, lead at the relatively slow speeds of an air rifle will NOT buckle or break up, most of the time (if you ever get a permission you might find out) if you dig a pellet out of a rabbit etc you could stick it back in the gun and do another with it, maybe a bit of "smearing" where its hit bone and that but pellet expantion pretty much doesnt happen with sub 12ft air rifles, so its all about the punching power, 22 is a wider surface area and therefore tranfers more energy into the target, causing more muscle/organ damage. a 177 can go straight though, making a small hole right through, carrying the energy with it.

 

.22 has allways been fine for me. each to his own. you keep paper punching...

 

Molie

I AM WELL AWARE OF OVER PENETRATION THAT WHY I AM ASKING ABOUT PELLET EXPANSION. DID HAVE A .22 MY SELF NOT TELLING YOU HOW TO SHOOT. I WENT FOR .177 BECAUSE I CAN SHOOT AT THE RANGE ASWELL IT IS TWICE AS HARD FOR ME TO GAIN PERMISSION IN MY OPINION BEING JAMAICAN SO I DID NOT WANT TO WAIST MONEY BUYING A .22 BECAUSE I COULD NOT SHOOT ANYWHERE FROM PREVIOUS EXPERIANCE. YOU CAN NOT TAKE A .22 TO THE RANGE.

 

THANKS FOR THE INFO MOLLY.

 

its Molie as in moley not the birds name molly!! what area you in, maybe sum1 can help with permission?! i didnt know u cant use .22 at ranges, never been to one!! good luck anyway buddy.

 

Molie

 

I KNOW ITS MOLEY JUST LIKE A GIGGLE THAT ALL BEING A WOLVERHAMPTON LAD.

THANKS

Edited November 27, 2008 by RAMCAM

[RAMCAM 4]

Ghillies

surely you mean Ft/lbs not fps ?

 

Ramcam, try norica killer pellets, they have a star shaped hollow point rather than round, allways wanted to try them for hunting but they only do .177, and ive only got .22, cant be doing with the "girly calibre", plus ive got fingers like sausages so the bigger pellet is harder 2 drop! got any permission yet ?

 

No permission as yet, i will try these norica pellets, thought about .22 but might as well buy a catapult or throw stones instead.

girlie calibre did you say MOLLY MOLLY :kiss:

 

thanks

 

 

come back when youve got some permission and tell me how 2 shoot......177 over penetrates, lead at the relatively slow speeds of an air rifle will NOT buckle or break up, most of the time (if you ever get a permission you might find out) if you dig a pellet out of a rabbit etc you could stick it back in the gun and do another with it, maybe a bit of "smearing" where its hit bone and that but pellet expantion pretty much doesnt happen with sub 12ft air rifles, so its all about the punching power, 22 is a wider surface area and therefore tranfers more energy into the target, causing more muscle/organ damage. a 177 can go straight though, making a small hole right through, carrying the energy with it.

 

.22 has allways been fine for me. each to his own. you keep paper punching...

 

Molie

I AM WELL AWARE OF OVER PENETRATION THAT WHY I AM ASKING ABOUT PELLET EXPANSION. DID HAVE A .22 MY SELF NOT TELLING YOU HOW TO SHOOT. I WENT FOR .177 BECAUSE I CAN SHOOT AT THE RANGE ASWELL IT IS TWICE AS HARD FOR ME TO GAIN PERMISSION IN MY OPINION BEING JAMAICAN SO I DID NOT WANT TO WAIST MONEY BUYING A .22 BECAUSE I COULD NOT SHOOT ANYWHERE FROM PREVIOUS EXPERIANCE. YOU CAN NOT TAKE A .22 TO THE RANGE.

 

THANKS FOR THE INFO MOLLY.

 

its Molie as in moley not the birds name molly!! what area you in, maybe sum1 can help with permission?! i didnt know u cant use .22 at ranges, never been to one!! good luck anyway buddy.

 

Molie

 

I KNOW ITS MOLEY JUST LIKE A GIGGLE THAT ALL DEING A WOLVERHAMPTON LAD.

THANKS

 

I HAD PERMISSION TO GO HUNTING WITH A MATE AND I BOUGHT THE FARMER A BOTTLE OF BELLS WHISKEY JUST BEING CURTIOUS BUT HE WOULD NOT TAKE IT WHEN HE SAW ME. HE LATER TOLD MY MATE HE DID NOT WANT MY SORT ON HIS LAND.

[Deker 3,478]

Ghillies

surely you mean Ft/lbs not fps ?

 

Ramcam, try norica killer pellets, they have a star shaped hollow point rather than round, allways wanted to try them for hunting but they only do .177, and ive only got .22, cant be doing with the "girly calibre", plus ive got fingers like sausages so the bigger pellet is harder 2 drop! got any permission yet ?

 

No permission as yet, i will try these norica pellets, thought about .22 but might as well buy a catapult or throw stones instead.

girlie calibre did you say MOLLY MOLLY :kiss:

 

thanks

 

 

come back when youve got some permission and tell me how 2 shoot......177 over penetrates, lead at the relatively slow speeds of an air rifle will NOT buckle or break up, most of the time (if you ever get a permission you might find out) if you dig a pellet out of a rabbit etc you could stick it back in the gun and do another with it, maybe a bit of "smearing" where its hit bone and that but pellet expantion pretty much doesnt happen with sub 12ft air rifles, so its all about the punching power, 22 is a wider surface area and therefore tranfers more energy into the target, causing more muscle/organ damage. a 177 can go straight though, making a small hole right through, carrying the energy with it.

 

.22 has allways been fine for me. each to his own. you keep paper punching...

 

Molie

I AM WELL AWARE OF OVER PENETRATION THAT WHY I AM ASKING ABOUT PELLET EXPANSION. DID HAVE A .22 MY SELF NOT TELLING YOU HOW TO SHOOT. I WENT FOR .177 BECAUSE I CAN SHOOT AT THE RANGE ASWELL IT IS TWICE AS HARD FOR ME TO GAIN PERMISSION IN MY OPINION BEING JAMAICAN SO I DID NOT WANT TO WAIST MONEY BUYING A .22 BECAUSE I COULD NOT SHOOT ANYWHERE FROM PREVIOUS EXPERIANCE. YOU CAN NOT TAKE A .22 TO THE RANGE. I AM ALSO CONSIDERING FIELD TARGET SHOOTING THATS WHY I BOUGHT A 8-32X60IR MTC VIPER SCOPE, WHEN I HAVE FINISHED SAVING FOR MY OWN BIT OF AGRICULTERAL LAND I WILL ALSO CONSIDER A .22 BUT FOR NOW A HUNTING HOLIDAY WILL DO ME FINE.

 

THANKS FOR THE INFO MOLLY.

 

That is FAR to general a statement, MOST air rifle competition is .177, some is Open..but the majority will still use .177!

If you cannot use .22 at YOUR range it is down to YOUR range rules, LOADS of ranges allow .22....within my Fullbore Club at Bisley I have the Chairman and President of 2 seperate Air Rifle Clubs based around London, and I have shot at both and BOTH welcome .22!!!

[McSparkie 0]

Mildly gross, but this is the pellet I retrieved after it had gone through a rabbit's rib cage (taking out the heart and a lung) and was just under the skin, on its way back out of the rib cage again.

You can see there is no expansion at all.

 

 

The first round went clean through his neck at the base of his skull, but I hit him again quickly as he wasn't flat on his back. The first shot was at about 30m, the second one (the slug pictured about) was slightly further away.

 

I use an Umarex AirMagnum (sub 12ft/lbs - just) .22

[ghillies 209]

is that a jsb heavy? lol seems to bent up to recognise lol... or get rifling from for ferensicks (sniggers)....

 

 

heres a spaner in the works...shock wave? the energy that shocks like a water ripple as the pellet paases through, and energy impartment etc...

 

it's 12fp's guys lmao not sonics...

 

.22 and the fabbled less penatration verses the over penatration, how is .177 are alwats atreibuted to over penatration, and .22's fabled to 'not' over penatratng, but giving a good wack?

 

two difenate diferences to aproach all ready.... np hitting a .22 shot with a .177 shot or vice versa as long as its in the head ('ish)...etc etc..

 

ok ok..back to as a kid......... we tried all sorts.. for all the pissing about trying this trying that.. diferent powers blah blah... at 12fp's we still come back tooo WOW!!!! f****n ELL!!! did you try those round heads?? there brill.. you can hit stuff [bANNED TEXT]-um! and they kill 'dead good'... pellet quolity and shape... hense they spend a few quids 'developing' those round heads and skirts.. probably based on the musket ball being the most efitient nasty projectile that you 'wouldnt want passing through you'..(pointy bullet things are NOT 12fp projectiles)

 

 

 

The energy imparted to my view is the impack 'shock' and the imidiate 'way' the displaced flesh' hits the nervous system...sort of the harmonics of the wound canal and the way it hits the creature.

for things like laminar flow..big word for sort of airodynamics, imagine a cars airodynamics, its designed to go through air.. with pellets and impact and the laminar flow thing through the fleash have a best denurchering effect or a best going through property..like a harmonic tune of distruction.. wacking it louder when its dead any way is pissing about lol.........

Edited November 27, 2008 by ghillies

[McSparkie 0]

is that a jsb heavy? lol seems to bent up to recognise lol... or get rifling from for ferensicks (sniggers)....

 

Daystate HE slugs. Much more accurate (in **MY** rifle) than the AA fileds I've been using.

[RAMCAM 4]

Ghillies

surely you mean Ft/lbs not fps ?

 

Ramcam, try norica killer pellets, they have a star shaped hollow point rather than round, allways wanted to try them for hunting but they only do .177, and ive only got .22, cant be doing with the "girly calibre", plus ive got fingers like sausages so the bigger pellet is harder 2 drop! got any permission yet ?

 

No permission as yet, i will try these norica pellets, thought about .22 but might as well buy a catapult or throw stones instead.

girlie calibre did you say MOLLY MOLLY :kiss:

 

thanks

 

 

come back when youve got some permission and tell me how 2 shoot......177 over penetrates, lead at the relatively slow speeds of an air rifle will NOT buckle or break up, most of the time (if you ever get a permission you might find out) if you dig a pellet out of a rabbit etc you could stick it back in the gun and do another with it, maybe a bit of "smearing" where its hit bone and that but pellet expantion pretty much doesnt happen with sub 12ft air rifles, so its all about the punching power, 22 is a wider surface area and therefore tranfers more energy into the target, causing more muscle/organ damage. a 177 can go straight though, making a small hole right through, carrying the energy with it.

 

.22 has allways been fine for me. each to his own. you keep paper punching...

 

Molie

I AM WELL AWARE OF OVER PENETRATION THAT WHY I AM ASKING ABOUT PELLET EXPANSION. DID HAVE A .22 MY SELF NOT TELLING YOU HOW TO SHOOT. I WENT FOR .177 BECAUSE I CAN SHOOT AT THE RANGE ASWELL IT IS TWICE AS HARD FOR ME TO GAIN PERMISSION IN MY OPINION BEING JAMAICAN SO I DID NOT WANT TO WAIST MONEY BUYING A .22 BECAUSE I COULD NOT SHOOT ANYWHERE FROM PREVIOUS EXPERIANCE. YOU CAN NOT TAKE A .22 TO THE RANGE. I AM ALSO CONSIDERING FIELD TARGET SHOOTING THATS WHY I BOUGHT A 8-32X60IR MTC VIPER SCOPE, WHEN I HAVE FINISHED SAVING FOR MY OWN BIT OF AGRICULTERAL LAND I WILL ALSO CONSIDER A .22 BUT FOR NOW A HUNTING HOLIDAY WILL DO ME FINE.

 

THANKS FOR THE INFO MOLLY.

 

That is FAR to general a statement, MOST air rifle competition is .177, some is Open..but the majority will still use .177!

If you cannot use .22 at YOUR range it is down to YOUR range rules, LOADS of ranges allow .22....within my Fullbore Club at Bisley I have the Chairman and President of 2 seperate Air Rifle Clubs based around London, and I have shot at both and BOTH welcome .22!!!

 

london is a bit far for me just for targets are there any in the west midlands area that you know of.

 

DID YOU SAY I have the Chairman and President of 2 seperate Air Rifle Clubs based around London?

Edited November 27, 2008 by RAMCAM