mubz2cool 4 Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 hi all, went on a walked up shoot in cheshire the other day, shot about 10 birds but some of them were runners! will changing from 6s to 5s give cleaner kills? most of the birds were killed cleanly but 2 or 3 were not. any advice will be helpfull. thanks mo. the cost was £100 for 10 birds and even included a duck flight. took a few pics when i got home, will post them later if i can re size them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alimac 882 Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 not being rude but its your shooting rather than the size of shot, remember walked up shooting your shooting them up the arse, there is alot more none fatal areas to hit compared to when shooting driven Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brno17 5 Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 sorry mate but have to agree with the above, you've got to be right on them when you're walking them up. 6's to 5's wont make much difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hily 379 Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 ONE OF THE REASONS FOR HAVING AGOOD DOG ON A ROUGH SHOOT IS TO BE ABLE TO COLLECT ANY RUNNERS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO DISPATCH.AS ALIMAC SAYS THE TYPE OF REFLEX SHOOTING MOST OF US DO MEANS THE BIRDS ARE SHOT IN NONE FATAL AREAS . BUT IF YOU'V GOT A GOOD GUN LINE THEN WITH EXPERIENCE MOST WHO HAVE BIRD FLUSHED IN FRONT WILL LET A GUN FURTHER DOWN THE LINETAKE IT AS A CROSSER AND HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF A CLEAN KILL.I use 6s 28/30 gms shot but sometimes we use 6s 32 gms or 5s on the rabbits if they have developed very thick fur .A lot of my pals are useing 20 bores because they are lighter to carry arround for a walked up day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mubz2cool 4 Posted November 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 (edited) not being rude but its your shooting rather than the size of shot, remember walked up shooting your shooting them up the arse, there is alot more none fatal areas to hit compared to when shooting driven ye your correct thanks for feed back. regards mo Edited November 27, 2008 by mubz2cool Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clay man 0 Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 what kind of birds are you shooting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mubz2cool 4 Posted November 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 what kind of birds are you shooting pheasant and partridge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clay man 0 Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 slug 7 and 4that is what i would use Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tom1cameron 1 Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 hi all, went on a walked up shoot in cheshire the other day, shot about 10 birds but some of them were runners! will changing from 6s to 5s give cleaner kills? most of the birds were killed cleanly but 2 or 3 were not. any advice will be helpfull. thanks mo. the cost was £100 for 10 birds and even included a duck flight. took a few pics when i got home, will post them later if i can re size them. Hi again There is a lot of folklore on here about shot sizes. Preferences etc etc. There is nothing wrong with that, except that everyone else is clearly a top rate marksman and we mortals are not. My mate is top marksman and I swear he shoots very little more than 6's or 7's at most quarry, including decoyed geese, and he "kills" them every time. The truth is that as alimac says, it is really difficult to penetrate through the back end of a pheasant to hit vitals. Sure if you hit the head, neck and upper spine your are going to either kill or fully paralyse the bird regardless of what shot size you use..... but that is not what you asked. If you want to increase the probability of a kill (there is no such thing as a cleaner kill, you either kill it or you dont) step up to 5's and 2gm more of shot to maintain shot counts. This means that if you are firing through the lower back or belly that the larger shot is more likely to hit the liver, lung and heart or the underside of the spine as they have more energy. So if you were using a 32grm 6 then use a 34gm 5. The problem then is that a 34gm 5 is a bit heavy for partridges. For soley partridges stick with lighter loads of 6's. The alternative is to stick with 6's but make sure you are not using a skeet or cylinder choke in either barrel, 1/4 is fine and 1/2 most. Any more is a waste of time. This may help but not more than as is said above, a good round of clays before any of us go shooting! For rough shooting if I know I am going to be shooting at varied quarry I tend to use 32grm loads of 6's in thick cover where I am going to see pheasants, but at close range, or woodcock. In open cover I use 34grm 5's as the shots could be at 30-40yd pheasants or rabbits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mubz2cool 4 Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 hi tom, thanks very much for that it was most helpfull. I think i will stick to the 6 32gr for now because i was out on tuesday and every bird i hit was killed. I did change my cartridges from eley grand prix to gamebore black gold or somthing. I also shot my first woodcock and i am not exadurating i droped the bird at atleast 60 yards. I was very pleased! Thanks alot again for your help! mo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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