Guest MY LAW Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 (edited) THE ONLY WAY A NOVICE [DOG OR OWNER ]IS REALY GOIN TO LEARN ANY THING IS TO GO OUT WITH SOME ONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING ,AND THE SOONER THEY START THE BETTER.[does a mother of a litter make her pups do all the things on the list ,no it lets them get on and learn .does a mother of a litter take them hunting on a piece of rope ,and slip them on their pray [i think not ]what are you realy teaching your dogs by keeping them on pieces of string ,[feck all]but one thing that is writen i do agree with and that is to help the dog to do its job ,do every thing in your power to give it success.[let it get on and learn for its self ] Edited November 17, 2008 by MY LAW Quote Link to post
Sighthound 49 Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Just to clarify my post. I'm not advocating running hares at 4 months (I know people who have :o ) or lamping your dog silly at a young age. As I said though my present pup has been out since she was jagged. at this age they can’t run anything, my bitch would just watch, and hopefully learn. As they get older then yes you hold them back but not too much, let them scramble over obstacles, investigate kills made by the other dogs etc. As Meerihunter said they need to ‘trip and fall and bump themselves’ to learn to negotiate the ground they are expected to run on. IMHO to give a pup limited slips at a year old only adds to the frustration when they miss. It is up to the owner to provide relatively easy chances to build confidence; a pup with confidence is more than half way there. I think half the problem is (as has been said) the owner’s expectations, too many keyboard hunters filling young heads with nonsense. However by the age of one I would still expect a pup to be catching, not huge numbers but still catching. Quote Link to post
undisputed 1,664 Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 THE ONLY WAY A NOVICE [DOG OR OWNER ]IS REALY GOIN TO LEARN ANY THING IS TO GO OUT WITH SOME ONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING ,AND THE SOONER THEY START THE BETTER.[does a mother of a litter make her pups do all the things on the list ,no it lets them get on and learn .does a mother of a litter take them hunting on a piece of rope ,and slip them on their pray [i think not ]what are you realy teaching your dogs by keeping them on pieces of string ,[feck all]but one thing that is writen i do agree with and that is to help the dog to do its job ,do every thing in your power to give it success.[let it get on and learn for its self ] Reading your posts reminds me of that old saying "I'm a halfwildman with a half wild dog" although I'm tempted to change that to half witted in your case Quote Link to post
labsnlurchers 39 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 correct me if im wrong ,but is it not said that a year in the life of a dog is equal to seven in ours ,if so then a 6month old pup is equivelent to 3and a half years old acording to that . so mother nature has seen to it that it will start to chase and catch it food early on in life just in case its parents are not there to look after it , other wise it would starve to death , and do you think at that age it will just try to catch a meal and if it misses it will think well i missed that i had beter not try to catch any thing untill tommorrow in case i cause my self some harm ,or will hunger make it try untill it either catches or dies trying .it is only human interfearence that stops them doing what comes naturaly .[pet owners turning a working breed into a cruffs show hound] Correct me if im wrong but mother nature also allows a bitch to mate on every season......there comes a point when, in the intrests of welfare you must use your common sense, working a 6 month old pup hard till it doesnt want to do any more is not common sense imo Quote Link to post
Guest MY LAW Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) correct me if im wrong ,but is it not said that a year in the life of a dog is equal to seven in ours ,if so then a 6month old pup is equivelent to 3and a half years old acording to that . so mother nature has seen to it that it will start to chase and catch it food early on in life just in case its parents are not there to look after it , other wise it would starve to death , and do you think at that age it will just try to catch a meal and if it misses it will think well i missed that i had beter not try to catch any thing untill tommorrow in case i cause my self some harm ,or will hunger make it try untill it either catches or dies trying .it is only human interfearence that stops them doing what comes naturaly .[pet owners turning a working breed into a cruffs show hound] Correct me if im wrong but mother nature also allows a bitch to mate on every season......there comes a point when, in the intrests of welfare you must use your common sense, working a 6 month old pup hard till it doesnt want to do any more is not common sense imo common sense on this site? Edited November 18, 2008 by MY LAW Quote Link to post
Guest MY LAW Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) THE ONLY WAY A NOVICE [DOG OR OWNER ]IS REALY GOIN TO LEARN ANY THING IS TO GO OUT WITH SOME ONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING ,AND THE SOONER THEY START THE BETTER.[does a mother of a litter make her pups do all the things on the list ,no it lets them get on and learn .does a mother of a litter take them hunting on a piece of rope ,and slip them on their pray [i think not ]what are you realy teaching your dogs by keeping them on pieces of string ,[feck all]but one thing that is writen i do agree with and that is to help the dog to do its job ,do every thing in your power to give it success.[let it get on and learn for its self ] Reading your posts reminds me of that old saying "I'm a halfwildman with a half wild dog" although I'm tempted to change that to half witted in your case i would agree on the half wild bit ,at least i get out and not sit in doors pretending to be something im not or ever will be . Edited November 18, 2008 by MY LAW Quote Link to post
Guest MY LAW Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) correct me if im wrong ,but is it not said that a year in the life of a dog is equal to seven in ours ,if so then a 6month old pup is equivelent to 3and a half years old acording to that . so mother nature has seen to it that it will start to chase and catch it food early on in life just in case its parents are not there to look after it , other wise it would starve to death , and do you think at that age it will just try to catch a meal and if it misses it will think well i missed that i had beter not try to catch any thing untill tommorrow in case i cause my self some harm ,or will hunger make it try untill it either catches or dies trying .it is only human interfearence that stops them doing what comes naturaly .[pet owners turning a working breed into a cruffs show hound] Correct me if im wrong but mother nature also allows a bitch to mate on every season......there comes a point when, in the intrests of welfare you must use your common sense, working a 6 month old pup hard till it doesnt want to do any more is not common sense imo i realy dont think you are geting the point .so i will leave it alone. Edited November 18, 2008 by MY LAW Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 correct me if im wrong ,but is it not said that a year in the life of a dog is equal to seven in ours ,if so then a 6month old pup is equivelent to 3and a half years old acording to that . so mother nature has seen to it that it will start to chase and catch it food early on in life just in case its parents are not there to look after it , other wise it would starve to death , and do you think at that age it will just try to catch a meal and if it misses it will think well i missed that i had beter not try to catch any thing untill tommorrow in case i cause my self some harm ,or will hunger make it try untill it either catches or dies trying .it is only human interfearence that stops them doing what comes naturaly .[pet owners turning a working breed into a cruffs show hound] Correct me if im wrong but mother nature also allows a bitch to mate on every season......there comes a point when, in the intrests of welfare you must use your common sense, working a 6 month old pup hard till it doesnt want to do any more is not common sense imo i realy dont think you are geting the point .so i will leave it alone. Mylaw, humans ask dogs to do what isnt natural to them, i.e carry on catching after the first quarry has been taken. I dont think the canines of today can be compared to "wild dogs" in many cases. JMO JD Quote Link to post
Guest MY LAW Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 correct me if im wrong ,but is it not said that a year in the life of a dog is equal to seven in ours ,if so then a 6month old pup is equivelent to 3and a half years old acording to that . so mother nature has seen to it that it will start to chase and catch it food early on in life just in case its parents are not there to look after it , other wise it would starve to death , and do you think at that age it will just try to catch a meal and if it misses it will think well i missed that i had beter not try to catch any thing untill tommorrow in case i cause my self some harm ,or will hunger make it try untill it either catches or dies trying .it is only human interfearence that stops them doing what comes naturaly .[pet owners turning a working breed into a cruffs show hound] Correct me if im wrong but mother nature also allows a bitch to mate on every season......there comes a point when, in the intrests of welfare you must use your common sense, working a 6 month old pup hard till it doesnt want to do any more is not common sense imo i realy dont think you are geting the point .so i will leave it alone. Mylaw, humans ask dogs to do what isnt natural to them, i.e carry on catching after the first quarry has been taken. I dont think the canines of today can be compared to "wild dogs" in many cases. JMO JD not botherd about it any more ,got what i want to continue to line my pocket ,like the saying goes [you cant educate muton.] Quote Link to post
Guest MY LAW Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Here's a couple more... It is better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. No fool like an old fool. dont forget the main one [GET A LURCHER AND BECOME A OVERNIGHT EXPERT ] Quote Link to post
Rory4 267 Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Really good read L & L. got my first pup that really helped. cheers Quote Link to post
woolyback rider 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 THE ONLY WAY A NOVICE [DOG OR OWNER ]IS REALY GOIN TO LEARN ANY THING IS TO GO OUT WITH SOME ONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING ,AND THE SOONER THEY START THE BETTER.[does a mother of a litter make her pups do all the things on the list ,no it lets them get on and learn .does a mother of a litter take them hunting on a piece of rope ,and slip them on their pray [i think not ]what are you realy teaching your dogs by keeping them on pieces of string ,[feck all]but one thing that is writen i do agree with and that is to help the dog to do its job ,do every thing in your power to give it success.[let it get on and learn for its self ] just reading though this post [and some excellant advice].i was just wondering MY LAW how can you advise people on training thier dogs when yours [on the lamp] runs the whole field up 2 fields infront of you. just have to say "i don't know this chap but heard alot about him" Quote Link to post
undisputed 1,664 Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Here's a couple more... It is better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. No fool like an old fool. dont forget the main one [GET A LURCHER AND BECOME A OVERNIGHT EXPERT ] Bet your still at school! Quote Link to post
Guest MY LAW Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) THE ONLY WAY A NOVICE [DOG OR OWNER ]IS REALY GOIN TO LEARN ANY THING IS TO GO OUT WITH SOME ONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING ,AND THE SOONER THEY START THE BETTER.[does a mother of a litter make her pups do all the things on the list ,no it lets them get on and learn .does a mother of a litter take them hunting on a piece of rope ,and slip them on their pray [i think not ]what are you realy teaching your dogs by keeping them on pieces of string ,[feck all]but one thing that is writen i do agree with and that is to help the dog to do its job ,do every thing in your power to give it success.[let it get on and learn for its self ] just reading though this post [and some excellant advice].i was just wondering MY LAW how can you advise people on training thier dogs when yours [on the lamp] runs the whole field up 2 fields infront of you. just have to say "i don't know this chap but heard alot about him" you forgot to add YAPS,WONT JUMP,KILLS SHEEP,DONT RETREIVE,EATS THE ARSE END,LACKS STAMINA ,WONT CHASE ANY THING THAT FIGHTS BACK ,PEES IN THE CAR ,SHITS IN THE HOUSE ,AND HAS SEX WITH NEXT DOORS CAT .if you intend to slag some ones dog of then make sure you get all the facts not just a little bit ,it is so embaresing to the owner [especialy after all the hard work he has put into it ].I MUST BE DOING SOME THING RIGHT BECAUSE AT LEAST YOU HAVE HEARD OF ME ,i have never heard feck all about you and i know most people in wales that run a decent dog[.YOUR GO .] Edited November 18, 2008 by MY LAW Quote Link to post
undisputed 1,664 Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 THE ONLY WAY A NOVICE [DOG OR OWNER ]IS REALY GOIN TO LEARN ANY THING IS TO GO OUT WITH SOME ONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING ,AND THE SOONER THEY START THE BETTER.[does a mother of a litter make her pups do all the things on the list ,no it lets them get on and learn .does a mother of a litter take them hunting on a piece of rope ,and slip them on their pray [i think not ]what are you realy teaching your dogs by keeping them on pieces of string ,[feck all]but one thing that is writen i do agree with and that is to help the dog to do its job ,do every thing in your power to give it success.[let it get on and learn for its self ] Reading your posts reminds me of that old saying "I'm a halfwildman with a half wild dog" although I'm tempted to change that to half witted in your case i would agree on the half wild bit ,at least i get out and not sit in doors pretending to be something im not or ever will be . Yeah like someone who knows what he's talking about.. and your obviously indoors if your replying to posts you tit! have a good one! Quote Link to post
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