2 1/2" mesh longnet

[ianrob 2]

Hi guys, Now I know, I'm not swaying anyone, however, when I raised this topic a year or so ago, I'd nothing to back up what I said. However due to the computer wizardry of a friend, I managed to recover some old files. These are in the form of two scans of a book, but this should be legal as the book is out of print. I hope the resolution is high enough to read the scans.

Edited November 15, 2008 by ianrob

[mackem 26,262]

I read the poachers companion when I was a kid,but did the original excerpt come from a yellow/cream covered youngs booklet?

[ianrob 2]

I read the poachers companion when I was a kid,but did the original excerpt come from a yellow/cream covered youngs booklet?

blurttttttt, fecklnose

[mackem 26,262]

I think it did ian,very slim booklet,I remember getting it as a kid,sure it was youngs of misterton

[Rabbithunter 456]

i think it did mackem. My dad has it in his book case

[mackem 26,262]

As a kid it was like the bible,spent many happy hours poring over its contents

[netrigger 568]

Well done Ian for takeing the time to Scan this up,, But and But!! the said Firm must have catered for Flemish Giant Rabbits with that mesh Size.... Yes they may have been Big Players at the Time with nets /Traps e.t.c. ,, But then again could there Statement on Mesh Size be a Misprint??? ... IMO ,, The maximum mesh for a Rabbit is 2 1/4" knot to knot (4 1/2" full mesh on the diamond).. Thats if the twine that the nets made from has virtually no stretch to its make up,,, Stretch in Todays modern Twines is somewhat greater in the pasts Twines (outwith natural fibered twines)...

I was sent pictures by email a few months back of fully grown January Rabbits passing Cleanly through a Longnet of a mesh size of 2 1/8" ( 4 1/4" full Mesh) !!! Day time nets with a 100% bagging!! STReeeeeTCH IS something to consider whilst buying a length of Mesh,,, So IMO to any up and comeing netters!! Think before You Make or Buy that all important Mesh.... ... Yes i have went of Topic a Bit but nets and there uses is highly in my way of life and has been for the best part of 30years !!! aint that Sad

[masterhunter 3]

Hi guys, Now I know, I'm not swaying anyone, however, when I raised this topic a year or so ago, I'd nothing to back up what I said. However due to the computer wizardry of a friend, I managed to recover some old files. These are in the form of two scans of a book, but this should be legal as the book is out of print. I hope the resolution is high enough to read the scans.

 

 

I have got an original youngs net making catalogue and it is like a light peachy buff colour.The mesh size stated in mine for making a long net is for rabbits 2 1/4 knot to knot and 12 meshes wide. Dont forget when this book was written all the materials used where natural fibres.Hemp/Linen etc

Which did not stretch. The biggest mesh size I have used in nylon nets is 2 1/4 inch knot to knot made fron multifilament nylon 4z this net is 20 meshes deep and catches ALL size rabbits very well. not bolters.(wee baby rabbits)

alan

[netrigger 568]

I have got an original youngs net making catalogue and it is like a light peachy buff colour.The mesh size stated in mine for making a long net is for rabbits 2 1/4 knot to knot and 12 meshes wide. Dont forget when this book was written all the materials used where natural fibres.Hemp/Linen etc

Which did not stretch.

 

 

 

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[ianrob 2]

Well done Ian for takeing the time to Scan this up,, But and But!! the said Firm must have catered for Flemish Giant Rabbits with that mesh Size.... Yes they may have been Big Players at the Time with nets /Traps e.t.c. ,, But then again could there Statement on Mesh Size be a Misprint??? ... IMO ,, The maximum mesh for a Rabbit is 2 1/4" knot to knot (4 1/2" full mesh on the diamond).. Thats if the twine that the nets made from has virtually no stretch to its make up,,, Stretch in Todays modern Twines is somewhat greater in the pasts Twines (outwith natural fibered twines)...

I was sent pictures by email a few months back of fully grown January Rabbits passing Cleanly through a Longnet of a mesh size of 2 1/8" ( 4 1/4" full Mesh) !!! Day time nets with a 100% bagging!! STReeeeeTCH IS something to consider whilst buying a length of Mesh,,, So IMO to any up and comeing netters!! Think before You Make or Buy that all important Mesh.... ... Yes i have went of Topic a Bit but nets and there uses is highly in my way of life and has been for the best part of 30years !!! aint that Sad

 

 

I anticipated this response, and personaly have nets of 2" and 2 1/8" in nylon, with 100% bag and 2 1/4" in linen and hemp with 100% bag. I am fully conversant with the current mesh sizes, and the copious bagging, which is used.

The point with this net is the lack of bag note that in 100 yards that the bag is merely the relationship between a mesh pulled up and a mesh open ie 14/10 or 1.4 to 1, making 140 yard net 100 yards. The best you get, bag wise is net that is open and not stretched, therefore it's obvious that rolling up a rabbit isn't the aim. This net was designed to stick the rabbits in the mesh. Now I knew it would meet with derision on this site, as there are a few who already know everything, and a few who are only too happy to join in adding emoticons, but I decided to post the topic just the same, just for interest, as I have such a net, and it works. I knitted it for nostalgic reasons, as it's the type of net used in the pre mixy days round here by an old bloke now dead, and my old man. I know it won't take anything less than full grown, but it was a poaching tool, so that wasn't a big problem.

 

NB if a fully grown rabbit went through 2 1/8" mesh, you have very small rabbits or very stretchy mesh.

 

NNB, I have to admit, given the choice, I tend to use nylon nets these days, no messing about drying them. However, imagine a wet and windy December night in the 1930's, this net would only be half the weight of a net with 21/4" mesh and 100% bag, it was also used exclusively for poaching.

[ianrob 2]

Well done Ian for takeing the time to Scan this up,, But and But!! the said Firm must have catered for Flemish Giant Rabbits with that mesh Size.... Yes they may have been Big Players at the Time with nets /Traps e.t.c. ,, But then again could there Statement on Mesh Size be a Misprint??? ... IMO ,, The maximum mesh for a Rabbit is 2 1/4" knot to knot (4 1/2" full mesh on the diamond).. Thats if the twine that the nets made from has virtually no stretch to its make up,,, Stretch in Todays modern Twines is somewhat greater in the pasts Twines (outwith natural fibered twines)...

I was sent pictures by email a few months back of fully grown January Rabbits passing Cleanly through a Longnet of a mesh size of 2 1/8" ( 4 1/4" full Mesh) !!! Day time nets with a 100% bagging!! STReeeeeTCH IS something to consider whilst buying a length of Mesh,,, So IMO to any up and comeing netters!! Think before You Make or Buy that all important Mesh.... ... Yes i have went of Topic a Bit but nets and there uses is highly in my way of life and has been for the best part of 30years !!! aint that Sad

 

 

I anticipated this response, and personaly have nets of 2" and 2 1/8" in nylon, with 100% bag and 2 1/4" in linen and hemp with 100% bag. I am fully conversant with the current mesh sizes, and the copious bagging, which is used.

The point with this net is the lack of bag note that in 100 yards that the bag is merely the relationship between a mesh pulled up and a mesh open ie 14/10 or 1.4 to 1, making 140 yard net 100 yards. The best you get, bag wise is net that is open and not stretched, therefore it's obvious that rolling up a rabbit isn't the aim. This net was designed to stick the rabbits in the mesh. Now I knew it would meet with derision on this site, as there are a few who already know everything, and a few who are only too happy to join in adding emoticons, but I decided to post the topic just the same, just for interest, as I have such a net, and it works. I knitted it for nostalgic reasons, as it's the type of net used in the pre mixy days round here by an old bloke now dead, and my old man. I know it won't take anything less than full grown, but it was a poaching tool, so that wasn't a big problem.

 

NB if a fully grown rabbit went through 2 1/8" mesh, you have very small rabbits or very stretchy mesh.

 

NNB, I have to admit, given the choice, I tend to use nylon nets these days, no messing about drying them. However, imagine a wet and windy December night in the 1930's, this net would only be half the weight of a net with 21/4" mesh and 100% bag, it was also used exclusively for poaching.

 

I just read my last post, and it sounded cheeky, and was a bit rude to netrigger. I apologise, this was not intended. I was probably feeling a bit defensive, as I expected the flak I got.

If I was buying or knitting a net now, and it was to be the only net I had, I would buy 4z 21/8" nylon. It wraps them up well, it's cheap as chips, and you can hang it up dirty and wet. What more could you ask.

The 2 1/2" thing came about after discussions I had with my old man who sadly passed on too early. When I found the book whose pages I scanned perhaps five years ago, it spurred me on to knit one. I think it cost me £ to buy the twine and nylon cord. It passed many an hour that winter. I have used it, though only through the day and mainly experimentally. All in all it'll only have had a dozen rabbits into it. A couple of these were small, and needless to say, they never broke stride. Probably four, though it could be five rabbits could not have got through given a year. Of the remainder a couple got through and away before I got to them, one I could have had, but I pulled the net towards me, giving it the solid resistance to escape. The remainder two or three, I killed then pulled through.

I feel, and it's no more than that, if you used it on winter rabbits, you'd get 2/3 of them at least, and all you got would be good big rabbits. Now I admit this is no good as a vermin control exercise, however in pre-mixie days, poaching keepered estates, it was a viable proposition, it was cheap, needing only a hundred and forty yards per hundred.

 

I'm not advocating anyone knit one, and only posted this as a matter of interest, cheers ian.

[OldTrapCollector 377]

Ian,

 

I don't want to get involved in the debate but I have looked back through my Young's catalogues which reach back to the 1920's and they all quote '2 1/4 inch mesh' and stipulate that, and I quote again '150 yards of Netting is fitted to every 100 yards of line'. They were made in varying lengths and could be made to 3 feet and 4 feet in height. The silk nets were made to 3 1/2 feet or 4 feet in height. It also states that 'Special mesh for young rabbits can be made to order'

 

I hope this helps - if you need any further detail please ask

 

OTC

[ianrob 2]

Ian,

 

I don't want to get involved in the debate but I have looked back through my Young's catalogues which reach back to the 1920's and they all quote '2 1/4 inch mesh' and stipulate that, and I quote again '150 yards of Netting is fitted to every 100 yards of line'. They were made in varying lengths and could be made to 3 feet and 4 feet in height. The silk nets were made to 3 1/2 feet or 4 feet in height. It also states that 'Special mesh for young rabbits can be made to order'

 

I hope this helps - if you need any further detail please ask

 

OTC

 

 

thanks' ,ian.