1st time lamping

[Guest MY LAW]

keep taking it out and give all the work it can handle ,other wise you will not be that happy with it in a year or 2 ,and you will be looking for a better dog ,take it from some one that has seen this happen a lot of times ,[just remember fed it well and work it hard ,the only tried and tested method .]a dog is only as good as the work it is given [PROVEN FACT]

listen to others and within a year or two you will either be happy with a below average dog ,or you will be looking for some thing better .all depends on what standards you are willing to except.[work makes the dog]

[Guest MY LAW]

keep taking it out and give all the work it can handle ,other wise you will not be that happy with it in a year or 2 ,and you will be looking for a better dog ,take it from some one that has seen this happen a lot of times ,[just remember fed it well and work it hard ,the only tried and tested method .]a dog is only as good as the work it is given [PROVEN FACT]

At 30wks old...tell me you are joking

 

If you work a dog hard this young, whilst it is still growing and developing you certainly will be looking for another dog in 2yrs time, when you have fecked this one up.

 

Take it slowly let it be a pup for as long as it needs to be, concentrate more on training and bonding with your dog whilst young. Get it out now and then for a few easy runs.

You run the risk of a hard mouthed, yapping, jacker if you push her too hard too young.

All the best with her

one thing is fore sure unless you have tried it ,you will never know ,like i said it all depends on how good you want your dog to be ,just look at most of the top sports people they had it pumped into them from day one ,no holding back ,it will make or brake ,only one real way to find out ,so far it has worked for me and others i know ,and iv been in this game a long time and in the last 20 years i have only owned one dog at a time for all tasks ,up untill then i keept 2 or 3 dogs but since using this method i have no need for more than 1 dog and they go on working untill old age stops them.. .it is the difference between a average or better than average dog . Edited November 15, 2008 by MY LAW

[Guest MY LAW]

When a dog is physically fully mature, then yes, i agree. But working a 30wk PUP hard, is completely wrong. The bones, ligaments etc have'nt even stopped growing. Ask any human athlete who has worked too hard for too long or anyone in a physically demanding job, and they are physically knackered at a very early age

what would you call hard work for a pup that age .

[charlielurcher 0]

how is the dog bred mate.

[lofti 579]

the pup needs to mature physically and mentally before any hard graft.

take it easy with the youngster mate.

nice dog by the way

chees lofti..

[Guest MY LAW]

At that age 2 nights per week for just half a dozen runs each night should suffice. Gradually increasing the amount monthly till they are about 9mth (depends on the breeding of the lurcher of course) But even then i would'nt take them on a proper big nights lamping.....5 + hours etc, till they are about 10-12mths(again depending upon breeding).

I prefer to get them right through the day first though before i would start lamping, some nice easy rabbits to build up the pups confidence, chasing over fences etc.

ok have you ever tried doing what i have sujested working it hard ,which is letting it chase what ever it wants untill it looks like it has had enough ,up to 5or 6 nights a week . Edited November 15, 2008 by MY LAW

[labsnlurchers 39]

At that age 2 nights per week for just half a dozen runs each night should suffice. Gradually increasing the amount monthly till they are about 9mth (depends on the breeding of the lurcher of course) But even then i would'nt take them on a proper big nights lamping.....5 + hours etc, till they are about 10-12mths(again depending upon breeding).

I prefer to get them right through the day first though before i would start lamping, some nice easy rabbits to build up the pups confidence, chasing over fences etc.

ok have you ever tried doing what i have sujested working it hard ,which is letting it chase what ever it wants untill it looks like it has had enough ,up to 5or 6 nights a week .

I would say even 12 runs a week at this age is too much. Out once a week for a few runs till its 10-12 months and then start gradually increasing its work load. To work a puppy hard for 5 or 6 nights a week to me just seems ridiculously irresponsible imo. There is no rush, if you take your time in the beginning the puppy will grow into everything you allow it too and if you work it hard before it is physically and mentally ready you are doing nothing but depleting its potential imo.

[Guest MY LAW]

Nope and never will. I want my dogs to work for as long as they possibly can and work WELL. Just letting a pup run ragged chasing and probably not catching much whenever it wants can lead to loads of problems mentally as well as physically.

I am lucky enough to live somewhere that my dogs can 'work' on every walk, so i can observe how my pups react when prey is in sight or when the chase is on, and they have all been different. The last bull x was very switched on, was using her nose independantly (not following the others) at a very early age. The whippet i have at the mo, is more interested in playing. You have to judge each dog by its own capabilities. Some will be ready for work earlier than others.

Running a pup practically every night of the week untill it is exhausted before it has even finished growing is totally irresponsible imo.

then no disrespect but you are comenting on some thing you know nothing about [ie having never tried it ]i have done both for a long time and through experance it does the dog no harm ;it is the making of the dog.all that you have said about this method that i sujjested is old wives tales started by the likes of plumber and lloyd and all the so called masters of years ago ,that wrote some good stuf but more rubbish just to make money by selling books and vids .you have to live the life not play about ,the only true way to find things out .[please dont take offence ,none intended.]

[Guest MY LAW]

At that age 2 nights per week for just half a dozen runs each night should suffice. Gradually increasing the amount monthly till they are about 9mth (depends on the breeding of the lurcher of course) But even then i would'nt take them on a proper big nights lamping.....5 + hours etc, till they are about 10-12mths(again depending upon breeding).

I prefer to get them right through the day first though before i would start lamping, some nice easy rabbits to build up the pups confidence, chasing over fences etc.

ok have you ever tried doing what i have sujested working it hard ,which is letting it chase what ever it wants untill it looks like it has had enough ,up to 5or 6 nights a week .

I would say even 12 runs a week at this age is too much. Out once a week for a few runs till its 10-12 months and then start gradually increasing its work load. To work a puppy hard for 5 or 6 nights a week to me just seems ridiculously irresponsible imo. There is no rush, if you take your time in the beginning the puppy will grow into everything you allow it too and if you work it hard before it is physically and mentally ready you are doing nothing but depleting its potential imo.

can you provide proof that it will do it harm like you say [i can provide proof that it does no harm as long has you dont let it go over the top [ie cant walk any more]

[labsnlurchers 39]

I would say even 12 runs a week at this age is too much.

That was the max i would allow (he asked for the max) and that would only depend upon the dog itself

 

Your right when you say alot would depend upon the dog itself, they all are different and reach maturity at different ages and i get what your saying, its just my opinion that a 7 1/2 month old pup should not really have more than 2/3 runs on the lamp if any at that age, i dont start mine running quarry on the lamp till 10/11 months, at 7 1/2 months i just practice teaching them to run the beam and follow the beam etc.

[Guest MY LAW]

No offence taken ML. Different strokes for different folkes

But it is a PROVEN fact (nowt to do with Plummer etc) that a pup will still have a loads of growing to do at that age. And it is also fact too much strain on the joints, bones etc will cause problem in later life.

Perhaps you have been lucky ML, perhaps you have never wanted to work a dog painlessly in its later years?

one thing i would not do is let a dog run if it was in pain you know as well as i do the older they get the wiser and craftire they get and that is all from the work given to it ,all that i am saying is the earlier in life you start it the more it will learn .

[labsnlurchers 39]

At that age 2 nights per week for just half a dozen runs each night should suffice. Gradually increasing the amount monthly till they are about 9mth (depends on the breeding of the lurcher of course) But even then i would'nt take them on a proper big nights lamping.....5 + hours etc, till they are about 10-12mths(again depending upon breeding).

I prefer to get them right through the day first though before i would start lamping, some nice easy rabbits to build up the pups confidence, chasing over fences etc.

ok have you ever tried doing what i have sujested working it hard ,which is letting it chase what ever it wants untill it looks like it has had enough ,up to 5or 6 nights a week .

I would say even 12 runs a week at this age is too much. Out once a week for a few runs till its 10-12 months and then start gradually increasing its work load. To work a puppy hard for 5 or 6 nights a week to me just seems ridiculously irresponsible imo. There is no rush, if you take your time in the beginning the puppy will grow into everything you allow it too and if you work it hard before it is physically and mentally ready you are doing nothing but depleting its potential imo.

can you provide proof that it will do it harm like you say [i can provide proof that it does no harm as long has you dont let it go over the top [ie cant walk any more]

 

You said yourself in an earlier post it will make or break the pup, personally i think that you are settin a PUPPY up for failure before it has even learned the basic heel, sit, stay, wait and recall, in other words it should be able to walk before you ask it to run.

[Guest MY LAW]

I would say even 12 runs a week at this age is too much.

That was the max i would allow (he asked for the max) and that would only depend upon the dog itself

 

Your right when you say alot would depend upon the dog itself, they all are different and reach maturity at different ages and i get what your saying, its just my opinion that a 7 1/2 month old pup should not really have more than 2/3 runs on the lamp if any at that age, i dont start mine running quarry on the lamp till 10/11 months, at 7 1/2 months i just practice teaching them to run the beam and follow the beam etc.

im not bragging but most of the dogs that belong to people i associate with will catch up to 20 rabbits in a night very regular [if the numbers are there to begin with ] when thy are 8 to 12 months old .]and had a couple of fox,s with other dogs. because they was taught from the day they could walk and take part .

[moxy 617]

how is the dog bred mate.

 

We know how the dog is bred mate

 

To clarify, the pup is only 6 and a half months old.

 

Stavros. Look mate, have a little paitence. Carry on running the bitch and you are going to ruin her.

 

Dont need to say any more. Good luck with the bitch.

 

Atb

[Guest MY LAW]

At that age 2 nights per week for just half a dozen runs each night should suffice. Gradually increasing the amount monthly till they are about 9mth (depends on the breeding of the lurcher of course) But even then i would'nt take them on a proper big nights lamping.....5 + hours etc, till they are about 10-12mths(again depending upon breeding).

I prefer to get them right through the day first though before i would start lamping, some nice easy rabbits to build up the pups confidence, chasing over fences etc.

ok have you ever tried doing what i have sujested working it hard ,which is letting it chase what ever it wants untill it looks like it has had enough ,up to 5or 6 nights a week .

I would say even 12 runs a week at this age is too much. Out once a week for a few runs till its 10-12 months and then start gradually increasing its work load. To work a puppy hard for 5 or 6 nights a week to me just seems ridiculously irresponsible imo. There is no rush, if you take your time in the beginning the puppy will grow into everything you allow it too and if you work it hard before it is physically and mentally ready you are doing nothing but depleting its potential imo.

can you provide proof that it will do it harm like you say [i can provide proof that it does no harm as long has you dont let it go over the top [ie cant walk any more]

 

You said yourself in an earlier post it will make or break the pup, personally i think that you are settin a PUPPY up for failure before it has even learned the basic heel, sit, stay, wait and recall, in other words it should be able to walk before you ask it to run.

yes i have seen some pups that was not up to what the others could do you get that in all walks of life ,and i do things different to you [ie all i ask my dogs to do is come to me when called and stay by my side or dont go to far in front ]that is the only training i do ,90 percent of the time they are loose not on a lead .