1st time lamping

[labsnlurchers 39]

I would say even 12 runs a week at this age is too much.

That was the max i would allow (he asked for the max) and that would only depend upon the dog itself

 

Your right when you say alot would depend upon the dog itself, they all are different and reach maturity at different ages and i get what your saying, its just my opinion that a 7 1/2 month old pup should not really have more than 2/3 runs on the lamp if any at that age, i dont start mine running quarry on the lamp till 10/11 months, at 7 1/2 months i just practice teaching them to run the beam and follow the beam etc.

im not bragging but most of the dogs that belong to people i associate with will catch up to 20 rabbits in a night very regular [if the numbers are there to begin with ] when thy are 8 to 12 months old .]and had a couple of fox,s with other dogs. because they was taught from the day they could walk and take part .

 

At what expense? i am happy with 1 catch at 8-12 months, end on a good note and go home. How many do they catch at 4/5 and when do they retire?

[labsnlurchers 39]

At that age 2 nights per week for just half a dozen runs each night should suffice. Gradually increasing the amount monthly till they are about 9mth (depends on the breeding of the lurcher of course) But even then i would'nt take them on a proper big nights lamping.....5 + hours etc, till they are about 10-12mths(again depending upon breeding).

I prefer to get them right through the day first though before i would start lamping, some nice easy rabbits to build up the pups confidence, chasing over fences etc.

ok have you ever tried doing what i have sujested working it hard ,which is letting it chase what ever it wants untill it looks like it has had enough ,up to 5or 6 nights a week .

I would say even 12 runs a week at this age is too much. Out once a week for a few runs till its 10-12 months and then start gradually increasing its work load. To work a puppy hard for 5 or 6 nights a week to me just seems ridiculously irresponsible imo. There is no rush, if you take your time in the beginning the puppy will grow into everything you allow it too and if you work it hard before it is physically and mentally ready you are doing nothing but depleting its potential imo.

can you provide proof that it will do it harm like you say [i can provide proof that it does no harm as long has you dont let it go over the top [ie cant walk any more]

 

You said yourself in an earlier post it will make or break the pup, personally i think that you are settin a PUPPY up for failure before it has even learned the basic heel, sit, stay, wait and recall, in other words it should be able to walk before you ask it to run.

yes i have seen some pups that was not up to what the others could do you get that in all walks of life ,and i do things different to you [ie all i ask my dogs to do is come to me when called and stay by my side or dont go to far in front ]that is the only training i do ,90 percent of the time they are loose not on a lead .

 

I think your right, we obviously have different expectations of our puppies and different standards of training. I'll agree to disagree

[Guest MY LAW]

I would say even 12 runs a week at this age is too much.

That was the max i would allow (he asked for the max) and that would only depend upon the dog itself

 

Your right when you say alot would depend upon the dog itself, they all are different and reach maturity at different ages and i get what your saying, its just my opinion that a 7 1/2 month old pup should not really have more than 2/3 runs on the lamp if any at that age, i dont start mine running quarry on the lamp till 10/11 months, at 7 1/2 months i just practice teaching them to run the beam and follow the beam etc.

im not bragging but most of the dogs that belong to people i associate with will catch up to 20 rabbits in a night very regular [if the numbers are there to begin with ] when thy are 8 to 12 months old .]and had a couple of fox,s with other dogs. because they was taught from the day they could walk and take part .

 

At what expense? i am happy with 1 catch at 8-12 months, end on a good note and go home. How many do they catch at 4/5 and when do they retire?

after 9 to 12 months old they dont see to many rabbits after they know what it is all about ,only the begining of each season just to get them fit ,and they work very hard the rest of the season doing what they do [and it is 50 times harder than catching rabbits ]hopefuly they retire when they let me know they have had enough ,and refuse to come along any more ,but some times even the fitest ,brainy ,hard dog meats its match and ends up with a early retirement one way or another ,its part and parcel of this game . but if i kept them on the rabbits they would be able to continue into old age ,rabbiting to me is like catching carp on a pond ,each to their own ,[have a good season .]

[Guest MY LAW]

I dont think for one moment you would run a dog in pain ML. But..... running a pup too hard too young WILL cause pain in later life. Just because it seems ok now does not mean problems are not happening.

Compare it to smoking, your first few years smoking probs wont cause many problems...but it probably will later on.

Some of them get wiser as they get older, unfortunately some stay as thick as they already were

Nice but dim.

 

hippy chick ,if you can show me proof i will change my way ,untill then i will cary on doing what has worked for me and offer my expereance to others it is up to them then if they want to listen ,[but those that do will own a beter dog for it ][ have a good trouble free season .] Edited November 15, 2008 by MY LAW

[labsnlurchers 39]

I dont think for one moment you would run a dog in pain ML. But..... running a pup too hard too young WILL cause pain in later life. Just because it seems ok now does not mean problems are not happening.

Compare it to smoking, your first few years smoking probs wont cause many problems...but it probably will later on.

Some of them get wiser as they get older, unfortunately some stay as thick as they already were

Nice but dim.

 

hippy chick ,if you can show me proof i will change my way ,untill then i will cary on doing what has worked for me and offer my expereance to others it is up to them then if they want to listen ,[but those that do will own a beter dog for it ] have a good trouble free season .

 

If a pup is reared to work correctly it will out perform and out live any dog that is taught from the day they could walk and take part. All my dogs are worked hard and are 100% grafters but i do not judge them till their maturity and i dont set them up for failure or early retirement when they are barely weaned.

[Guest MY LAW]

results speek for them selves [funny thing, i know for a fact that a certain person that a lot of you admire starts his pups of at [4 MONTHS OLD] AND CAN HAVE THEM CATCHING WELL UP TO 6 NIGHTS A WEEK BY THE TIME THEY ARE 9OR 10 MONTHS OLD , :happy hunting dont forget to leave some for others.

Edited November 16, 2008 by MY LAW

[Guest WILF]

.........is it just me?

[Guest MY LAW]

.........is it just me?

looks like it .

[lofty 0]

.........is it just me?

[Tallyho 181]

MANY A GOOD DOG IS RUINED BY HASTE.

[labsnlurchers 39]

I got this from a greyhound training website, looked at many many more and they all said the same thing.

If it were the case that you get a better running dog if you start them working at 6months or 8 months or whatever you think then why have so many many people missed it?

Training involves three stages:

 

First Stage - Rearing

Second Stage - Breaking In

Third Stage - Training

 

First Stage - Rearing

 

In the first stage of training, the pup develops its muscles through exercise in a controlled manner, thereby ensuring that they develop in an appropriate way.

 

At this early stage in their life the diet of the pup also plays a major part in their development. Until they reach the age of six months, a pup must be fed four times a day with the regularity of meals reducing to twice a day between the ages of six and twelve months.

 

 

Second Stage - Breaking In

 

When a the pup reaches between 13 and 14 months of age it should be ready to be broken in. This education process involves developing the skill the pup requires to perform.

 

Third Stage - Training

 

Once a greyhound has developed the skills required to perform on the race track it begins formal training. The nature of this training will vary with the individual greyhound and the training style of trainer selected.

 

 

When the greyhound has reached 16 months of age it is eligible to race.

 

Racing & Wagering Western Australia rules that a greyhound cannot race prior to this age, however like people greyhounds develop at different rates and therefore some may not race until they are 18 months of age or even older.