Coyotes by the hundreds

[Albert Ladd 0]

How’s this for a barn full of coyote

This is Marty Senneker from I think? Alberta, Canada This year he took 718 coyote. Last year 822. His best year total was 907

This truck load was this years picture. He had broken his daily record with this load. 55 coyote in one check. Don't know how many fox he took.

Can’t imagine the time and work it takes to have a catch like this.

 

[pegandgun 52]

We want coyote,we want coyote,we want coyote.............................................

What a haul .They must have been trapped as well as snared where thay H.H.

I cant sleep at night after looking at pics like that

[woodga 170]

that is awesome what a catch goodhunting all woodga :ph34r:

[bullsmilk 2]

thats great mate .....are your fox the same as ours [bANNED TEXT]

[Albert Ladd 0]

Our fox are English. The native gray fox wouldn't play fare when chased by hounds. The gray fox can climb trees i'm told. So the English brought the red fox over probably early 1700s. The fox took so well that he beet the early settlers to the west.

Also there was a native red in the west and north that was much larger. I've seen red fox pelts In Canada that were as big as the coyotes they hung next too.

I'll ask Marty, but the majority are snared. He makes and sells his own of snares.

The coyote probably would do real well in your country. Loves rabbits and sheep. Your deer would be an easy meal also.

[midnight 657]

what is the justification for such culls is it purly pest control or a sporting venture?

 

also what sort of density is there of these things ?

 

is there no fear that culling at this level could lead to total depleation of the race.

 

iv seen vids of australian fox controll and the guys is taking about 60 foxes a night on sheep farms . that sorta speaks for its self as to see that many in one place indicates there are major prblems and a huge threat to sheep numbers.

is it a similar problem where you are ..

[Guest stantheman]

bet it keeps that shed worm

[Albert Ladd 0]

what is the justification for such culls is it purly pest control or a sporting venture?

 

also what sort of density is there of these things ?

 

is there no fear that culling at this level could lead to total depleation of the race.

The coyote cost is in the millions if not a billions each year in damage to livestock mostly. Some trappers in the west, both the US and Canada work year round tying to controll them for sheep and cattle ranchers.

One X sheep rancher told how he had lost over 600 newborn lambs the last year he was in business.

They've tried for over 100 years to eradicate the coyote in the west by trapping, snarind and poisoning and his numbers just increased. So they learned that the only way was to kill him where he was doing the most damage. In and around the ranches and farms.

One method is to shoot from a helicopter. Expensive but effective in the open terrain of the west.

When the coyote moved east he or some of them mixed with either the gray wolf or the red wolf, possibly both. This just made for a supper larger harder to trap coyote.

Marty seem to be the king of getting such catches. Why he has so many I have no idea. Maybe he's just one of those guys that goes night and day without stopping. Here in the east if you catch 20 a season your a good trapper.

Believe me there are no worries about over killing the coyote. He'll eat anything fruit, nuts, all living creatures. Even eat on another coyote carcass when hungry enough.

[PBurns 9]

Don't worry too much about coyote populations over here in the U.S. and Canada. Though there may be individuals that trap or shoot a CRAP load of coyote (see truly amazing pictures, above), they are rare and getting rarer. The reason for that is pretty simple: time, energy and economics.

 

Setting out a trap or snare line, bringing in the catch, skinning and fleshing it, etc. is a dizzying proposition in terms of labor and it is messy and dangeous work to boot. There is almost no market for the pelts, and working a McDonald's job is probably going to pay better. The same is true for fox trapping (there is a reason only 1 percent of fox in the fur trade are wild-caught).

 

If you are running a lot of sheep or goats, coyote abatement may be needed for predator control, and they can knock down deer and duck populations for sure, but in most of North America that would be considered a positive thing by a lot of wildlife managers. In the East, at least, we have WAY too many deer for healthy forests. Please come to America and shoot a few!

 

Coyote numbers are generally on the rise across the U.S. (though they may be in decline around that particular barn )

 

Trapping and shooting coyote is sufficiently rare or inefficient that it has had no serious effect on coyote populations in the U.S. or Canada -- the numbers just keep going up as deer populations soar and farm lands are allowed to return to forest (a lot of New England has been returned to forest in the last 100 years, for example).

 

It is a bit hard for you folks in the UK to get the land scale over here, but the U.S. alone (to say nothing of Canada) is 66 times bigger than England, and 38 times bigger than all of the UK. For a direct comparison, all of the UK is smaller than Oregon, while England is smaller than Florida. Huge portions of land in the U.S. are owned by Federal and State governments and quite a lot is also in private conservation reserves. On top of that, we have about 34 million acres in a Conservation Reserve Program for wildlife -- an area larger than all of England. To see a map of U.S. Federal lands (this map does not include any of the land in Conservation Reserve Programs, any state forest or state hunting lands, nor does it include privately-held nature conservancies, etc. >> http://www.terrierman.com/fedlands.htm

 

The only real threat to coyotes would come from a return to massive use of poisons. No one should favor a return to that -- EVER. Poisons are what wiped out the wolf across the west. When you poison an animal, it simply runs off to die and it rots unseen.

 

There is still some poisoning of coyote out West, but no one likes it, and it is done only when there seem to be no other options (i.e. in an area with a lot of sheep and tough country to do other predator abatement on). Unlike a fox, a coyote WILL take an adult sheep and do it regularly. Unlike a fox, coyote will also hunt in small packs and are even capable of taking down or mauling a very young calf.

 

That said, most coyote are eating road kill, berries, possums, trash, groundhogs, turkey, rabbits, rats, mice, and squirrels. In the spring time a coyote will supplement its diet with nesting birds (ducks and geese) and fawns.

 

I doubt a coyote would do well in the UK. Your land has mounted hunts across much of it and not too much deep cover, while the human population densities are considerably higher than we have in our coyote regions. The UK has a population density four times that of my home state of Virginia, for example, and a population density more than 17 times higher than Oregon (same size, but one with a population of 3.5million and the other withe a population of 60 million). The U.S. is very crowded compared to Canada -- almost no one outside of the cities and away from the U.S. border.

 

 

Patrick

[pegandgun 52]

That was very interesting and informative patrick,thank you very much

Like hear it sounds like most of your trappers and snarers do it because its deeply imbedded in them and they love to snare and trap,they obviously dont do it to become rich

Can i just say that the map didnt come up on that link

[Albert Ladd 0]

To give you some idea of the value. The western coyote is of greater value than the eastern. All because the chinese like the white bellies. Some fashon thing they like? The eastern coyote very little white

Another of Marty's pics showing two with wide white bellies

The last Canadian auction on February 12th saw a total of 35, 000 coyotes that went for- WESTERN=an average of $53.56 American EASTERN=$32.57 average. So marty took 700 coyote @ A possible average of$53. ( Rounded for easy figuring) That's $37,100.00 dollars US gross. not bad for a few months work.

[Albert Ladd 0]

I Think coyote would do real well in England. They are in every major city in the us. The critter can survrive anywhere and on anything.

 

We couldn't find an area in Chicago where there weren't coyotes," Gehrt said. "They've learned to exploit all parts of their landscape."

Since the beginning of the study, the researchers have caught and tagged more than 200 coyotes. They estimate that there may be somewhere between several hundred and a couple thousand coyotes living in Chicago .

Some of the animals live in city parks, while others live among apartment and commercial buildings and in industrial parks.

http://news.mongabay.com/2006/0104-osu.html

 

 

 

 

and they can knock down deer and duck populations for sure, but in most of North America that would be considered a positive thing by a lot of wildlife managers

Patric is right, In my own state the southern part is loaded with deer and coyote. coyote killing deer is probably a help. The difference comes in the northern part of the state.Cold, Deep snow, large coyote population and a low deer population can seet the coyote bring the deer numbers down so low that they can't reproduce enough to maintain a stable population.-biologist call this a predator pit!

[woodga 170]

excellent read [bANNED TEXT] very in formative its hard to imagine the size of area that can be trapped over there as oppossed to that in the uk boggles the mind GOOD HUNTING ALL WOODGA :ph34r:

[Guest Dillon]

excellent thread guys , more pics

[Guest HAWKEYE]

me and taffy seen some awesome pics like that at the midland ..was it on the warreners stand????