gnasher16 30,217 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 (edited) [quote name='longdogrunner' date='Nov 16 2008, 02:47 PM' post='763413 I didnt think that was one of first fights, i thought it was his return after he had to give up the heavyweight title from a bike accident, they thought he'd just walk in and take his title back, but our Ian saw to that little plan!!!! Your wrong it was a long time before that mate,mir fought freeman in 2002 if i remember right...your thinking of his first fight back against the brazilian cant think of his name now. Joe ox some things are not as simple as they seem,he was a young prospect yes and he made no excuses after that fight when it would have been very easy to do so.....i dont watch all that ultimate fighter nonsense so cant comment....but as far as arlovski go,s id say he is very overated Edited November 16, 2008 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Chip Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 re run of couture/lesnar about to start here. http://channelsurfing.net/watch-ppv-test.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest joe ox Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Joe ox some things are not as simple as they seem,he was a young prospect yes and he made no excuses after that fight when it would have been very easy to do so.....i dont watch all that ultimate fighter nonsense so cant comment....but as far as arlovski go,s id say he is very overated I get what your saying gnasher16 Iam not a big fan of Mir I think he is very inconsistant. As for Arlovski I have never been a fan of his fight not to lose style either! but I do think given the chance he would of took Mir's title when he held it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Chip Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 (edited) i dont watch all that ultimate fighter nonsense so cant comment....but as far as arlovski go,s id say he is very overated ultimate fighter nonsense boxing can learn a lot from mma like last nights fight for example, couture 16 wins 9 losses "legend"!why is that? . with boxing you have to watch a fighter fight 30+bums before they.ll take a risk even when there at the top of their game their too busy caressing their unbeaten records . boxers arguing for 10 years on whos back yard a fight will take place and or disagreeing over the purse... mma isnt boxing but in mma your truelly tested against the best the sport has to offer fight after fight. boxing is finished. Edited November 16, 2008 by Chip Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LDR 29 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Your wrong it was a long time before that mate,mir fought freeman in 2002 if i remember right...your thinking of his first fight back against the brazilian cant think of his name now. Joe ox some things are not as simple as they seem,he was a young prospect yes and he made no excuses after that fight when it would have been very easy to do so.....i dont watch all that ultimate fighter nonsense so cant comment....but as far as arlovski go,s id say he is very overated My mistake then mate!!!! I've never thought mir has looked much cop, i think he was lucky to get the leg lock on lesnar, he was taking a hiding before that!!! Has crocop jacked it in now, since that head kick??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LDR 29 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 i dont watch all that ultimate fighter nonsense so cant comment....but as far as arlovski go,s id say he is very overated ultimate fighter nonsense boxing can learn a lot from mma like last nights fight for example, couture 16 wins 9 losses "legend"!why is that? . with boxing you have to watch a fighter fight 30+bums before they.ll take a risk even when there at the top of their game their too busy caressing their unbeaten records . boxers arguing for 10 years on whos back yard a fight will take place and or disagreeing over the purse... mma isnt boxing but in mma your truelly tested against the best the sport has to offer fight after fight. boxing is finished. That record is just coutures ufc bouts, his overall record is 181-31 or something close to that!!!! thats alot of fights and not many losses!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cupid Stunt 18 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Has crocop jacked it in now, since that head kick??? He moved to some other organisation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,217 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 ultimate fighter nonsense boxing can learn a lot from mma like last nights fight for example, couture 16 wins 9 losses "legend"!why is that? . with boxing you have to watch a fighter fight 30+bums before they.ll take a risk even when there at the top of their game their too busy caressing their unbeaten records . boxers arguing for 10 years on whos back yard a fight will take place and or disagreeing over the purse... mma isnt boxing but in mma your truelly tested against the best the sport has to offer fight after fight. boxing is finished. I dont see what boxing can learn from supposedly grown men throwing chairs about and getting drunk and urinating in each others beds !.....as for being tested against the best...your only tested against the best if and when you reach the best same as any other sport. AS for the fella saying mir was lucky to get the submission on lesnar....did his leg accidentally slip into mirs arms whilst taking a pounding ?..its the nature of submissions and a leglock in particular that you need to totally commit to the submission or you are going to get smashed.......pure technique is certainly nothing to do with luck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LDR 29 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 ultimate fighter nonsense boxing can learn a lot from mma like last nights fight for example, couture 16 wins 9 losses "legend"!why is that? . with boxing you have to watch a fighter fight 30+bums before they.ll take a risk even when there at the top of their game their too busy caressing their unbeaten records . boxers arguing for 10 years on whos back yard a fight will take place and or disagreeing over the purse... mma isnt boxing but in mma your truelly tested against the best the sport has to offer fight after fight. boxing is finished. I dont see what boxing can learn from supposedly grown men throwing chairs about and getting drunk and urinating in each others beds !.....as for being tested against the best...your only tested against the best if and when you reach the best same as any other sport. AS for the fella saying mir was lucky to get the submission on lesnar....did his leg accidentally slip into mirs arms whilst taking a pounding ?..its the nature of submissions and a leglock in particular that you need to totally commit to the submission or you are going to get smashed.......pure technique is certainly nothing to do with luck. I take it you're talking about me?? yeah i think it did accidentally fall into his arms, he was green as grass when he fought him, bet he dont make that mistake as easily again!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,217 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 I take it you're talking about me?? yeah i think it did accidentally fall into his arms, he was green as grass when he fought him, bet he dont make that mistake as easily again!!! ...ok mate it was an accident......maybe you need learn a little about submission...plenty of experienced fighters have been submitted its part of the game,..punchers punch,wrestlers wrestle,submission fighters submit...none of them are accidents ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LDR 29 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 I take it you're talking about me?? yeah i think it did accidentally fall into his arms, he was green as grass when he fought him, bet he dont make that mistake as easily again!!! ...ok mate it was an accident......maybe you need learn a little about submission...plenty of experienced fighters have been submitted its part of the game,..punchers punch,wrestlers wrestle,submission fighters submit...none of them are accidents ! I can see this getting pedantic now!!! Do you think someone with experience in the game would get caught by mir in a leg lock when they already had him well on the backfoot??? There's a reason why mir never got his title back, cos he aint actually that good now!!! Yeah it happens in the sport, it'd be boring if it didnt, but like they say its easy to win a title, but the real test is keeping hold of it after!!! Personally i dont even like lesnar, but i doubt he'd have left his leg there if he had more experience, or with more experience may've known how to defend it better, but he's green as grass and just using brute strength, he'll learn and then i doubt he'll make the same mistake as quickly again!!! Here's a question for you???? If i'm a tree surgeon and i cut my arm off, is it an accident??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,217 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 ....i cant be bothered mate. Submissions are part of the game experienced or not.....whether you like it or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LDR 29 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 (edited) ....i cant be bothered mate. You should go to parliament mate and argue the ban for us!!!! Nobody disputes the fact that submissions are part of the game, but that particular one can be classed as either an accident, mistake, unfortunate, lack of experience, part of the game....or mirs incredible skills!!!! I personally think it was a combination of the first 5....not the latter!!!! Totally apart from it, do you think mir is any good????? Edited November 16, 2008 by longdogrunner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JoeD 24 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 ....i cant be bothered mate.Submissions are part of the game experienced or not.....whether you like it or not. Exactly no matter how experienced you are, if you get caught in a lock they are hard to get out of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,217 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 You should go to parliament mate and argue the ban for us!!!! Nobody disputes the fact that submissions are part of the game, but that particular one can be classed as either an accident, mistake, unfortunate, lack of experience, part of the game....or mirs incredible skills!!!! I personally think it was a combination of the first 5....not the latter!!!! Totally apart from it, do you think mir is any good????? So a submission by leglock is an accident....but a submission by armbar,triangle choke or whatever else is not an accident but skillful technique ? is that your argument ?.....i dont really understand what your getting at mate.....what i do know is the submission game takes probably more technical ability than any other and i just fail to see how a win by submission is an accident....but if thats your views then ok...when you started on about tree surgery i pretty much lost the will to live...but no problem,we all have different opinions...however strange they are Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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