Simoman 110 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Thats the coppers for you Simo Muggings, murders, assaults, drug dealing all seen on our streets and whats the main concern, the fella coursing a hare or catching a rabbit and not having written permission, you have to laugh at how absurd it is.......................What an absolute joke Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 At the end of the day, what a joke with hunting getting all this attention with all the other crimes that we suffer within society Your right Simo. Take the amount of negative coverage & bad publicity the BBC are giving hunting with dogs at the moment, I've seen a few programs of theirs lately. In every program, people running their dogs are all lumped together as 'poachers.' There's never any emphasis on the things that are still legal, and keep banging on about these 'poachers' being involved in drugs, burglary, vandalism, etc. Just listen to the dialogue next time you see one, and count how many times the say the word, 'poachers.' It's all clever writing, trying to demonise a whole section of the public. If you was to watch one of there programs & didn't know nothing about hunting with dogs, you'd get the impression that anybody with a lurcher is a criminal. I think the police are using it as a diversion because they are getting nowhere in the solving of other, more serious crimes, in the same way that they do with motorists. Pick on the easy targets.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Thats the coppers for you Simo No mac, it's not the coppers, it's the government dictating the law and half the police don't even agree with it - it's jus their job to get the shit end of the stick... i have mates in the job who are pro-hunting, anti-ban but don't have a choice in the matter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,783 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Mates in the job artic?YOU Most coppers its been my misfortune or good fortune to bump into depending on your stance have a very lackadaisical attitude,the force at the moment has a high percentage of stormtrooper,bullying fascists(like the new avatar by the way,better than the old one)who treat everyone irrespective as guilty until proven innocent,lot of cappa and delta males enter the force to bolster their egos and perfect their swaggers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brimmer 220 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 So even on my own permission of 16 yrs, in daylight, a dog in my control was considering to run legal game, he could still confiscate my dogs, ferrets and motor just on the strength i didn't have written permission to hand? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 So even on my own permission of 16 yrs, in daylight, a dog in my control was considering to run legal game, he could still confiscate my dogs, ferrets and motor just on the strength i didn't have written permission to hand? Yep, how feckin daft eh? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 I once had this novel idea about how police were told to catch the many criminals who make our streets unsafe, radical eh? Second thoughts, calling all cars, a man has just been spotted walking a lurcher in a field.............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brimmer 220 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 So even on my own permission of 16 yrs, in daylight, a dog in my control was considering to run legal game, he could still confiscate my dogs, ferrets and motor just on the strength i didn't have written permission to hand? Yep, how feckin daft eh? It's bleedin crackers! what is the world coming too! Hang on! Would this work in reverse for lads poaching on my permission? Lol! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Its a crazy world, i was once detained in a police car and my details checked after myself and some mates were reported for hare coursing, it took a full riot van, the chopper, two panda cars and a dog van..........the funniest thing is we were on a public footpath on land we had permission to train on and the super duper coursing dogs we had with us were German Shepherds, collies and a collie/shepherd cross. The person who reported us should have been done for wasting police time and resources, I dread to think how much that little army would have cost to be deployed??????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brimmer 220 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 The Countryside Alliance were handing out a booklet in 2005, advising on the Hunting With Dogs Act. Part of it is a sticky on the THL lurchers section. I' ll paraphrase the 'What can the police do?' section in the context of the original question here: You are not obliged to assist the police in prosecuting you. Simply state the lawful activity you have been carrying out. If the officer "reasonably suspects" you have, are, or are going to hunt illegally, they can arrest you. If the officer "reasonably believes" there is evidence of a hunting offence on you, your dog, in your van, or anything else you are in possession of (ie your camera), they can search those things and seize and detain them. These things can be detained until trial, after which they may be forfeit, or destroyed. So yes, they can take, and ultimately put down your dogs. The police powers created by the Hunting Act are very strong and open to broad interpretation. Also, as this thread illustrates, widely underestimated by the very people affected by them. Would it be possible to get a "What to do if you get stopped" put together by someone legally qualified, and preferably knowledgeable on the subject? I would imagine that the police are more likely to leave you alone, if it is clear that you know the law. Cheers for that, i'll give it a good read through. I suppose getting a well written letter together and signed by the landowner is not a great burden really, but it does seem like a case of proving your innocent even before you are found guilty of anything! And only applies to one aspect of society then, surely any law is based around having to have commited a crime to be a suspect? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,783 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 I was once sitting at home,actually watching a police drama on TV which made the situation more farcical,doors knocked off its hinges,I am face down and dragged off to nick for shooting someone wouldnt let me put my side of the story as they were virtually screaming with glee Thats the day I realised the true measure of the average copper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brimmer 220 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Its a crazy world, i was once detained in a police car and my details checked after myself and some mates were reported for hare coursing, it took a full riot van, the chopper, two panda cars and a dog van..........the funniest thing is we were on a public footpath on land we had permission to train on and the super duper coursing dogs we had with us were German Shepherds, collies and a collie/shepherd cross. The person who reported us should have been done for wasting police time and resources, I dread to think how much that little army would have cost to be deployed??????? Did you get any hare's with the shepards then? It is bonkers how so many resources can be called out for things as simple as that, surely there are better things for you and the police to be doing, I think a stern warning would make people think twice about getting there facts straight before ringing the police up, fair enough you see a person in your neighbours back yard, then fair enough call them up straight away, he could be a theif, but out in the fields with no firm evidence it's a different game. Any false call to the 999 services warrants prosecution dose'nt it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brimmer 220 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 I was once sitting at home,actually watching a police drama on TV which made the situation more farcical,doors knocked off its hinges,I am face down and dragged off to nick for shooting someone wouldnt let me put my side of the story as they were virtually screaming with glee Thats the day I realised the true measure of the average copper Did you shoot anyone really Mackem? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SportingShooter 0 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Its a crazy world, i was once detained in a police car and my details checked after myself and some mates were reported for hare coursing, it took a full riot van, the chopper, two panda cars and a dog van..........the funniest thing is we were on a public footpath on land we had permission to train on and the super duper coursing dogs we had with us were German Shepherds, collies and a collie/shepherd cross. The person who reported us should have been done for wasting police time and resources, I dread to think how much that little army would have cost to be deployed??????? Did you get any hare's with the shepards then? It is bonkers how so many resources can be called out for things as simple as that, surely there are better things for you and the police to be doing, I think a stern warning would make people think twice about getting there facts straight before ringing the police up, fair enough you see a person in your neighbours back yard, then fair enough call them up straight away, he could be a theif, but out in the fields with no firm evidence it's a different game. Any false call to the 999 services warrants prosecution dose'nt it? Depends what you mean, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Did you get any hare's with the shepards then? No there strengths lie in cervine and vulpine procurement , although assistance would be required with a .243 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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