coppers taking dogs

[SportingShooter 0]

  will.f11 said:

also, if he says it, surely you can ask if he has a warrant for it? if not let him get one and leg it while he is

He has his warrant card with him for that at all times, he thinks your breaking the law, then he can do what he thinks necessary.

 

But yeah, it is strange about the Trespassing with dog on or off a lead. But then a lot make up the wording of such laws as they go along. But remember Trespass is a Civil offence not one which the Police deal with. They only deal with Aggravated or Armed Trespass. But then it depends on what the copper thinks is aggravated or not.

 

But as was said, a written letter of Permission from the landowner means the buck stops where it is. As long as its Rabbits or Rats of course.

 

SS

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  SportingShooter said:

  will.f11 said:

also, if he says it, surely you can ask if he has a warrant for it? if not let him get one and leg it while he is

He has his warrant card with him for that at all times, he thinks your breaking the law, then he can do what he thinks necessary.

 

But yeah, it is strange about the Trespassing with dog on or off a lead. But then a lot make up the wording of such laws as they go along. But remember Trespass is a Civil offence not one which the Police deal with. They only deal with Aggravated or Armed Trespass. But then it depends on what the copper thinks is aggravated or not.

 

But as was said, a written letter of Permission from the landowner means the buck stops where it is. As long as its Rabbits or Rats of course.

 

SS

yeah,i have a feeling we were "new faces" and he was trying to stamp his authority?!still,not a good way to go about it seeing as we were polite and answered all his questions with no complaint!. actually came across as a bit of an anti to me!

[Simoman 110]

  lurcherboy2008 said:

what if you was out on permission and your lurcher hunted a fox and killed it thats not illegal is it?

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Quite simply yes. Just remember rabbiting is perfectly legal BUT you need written permission WITH YOU.

[Brimmer 220]

Not been on here long, so forgive me if it's been said lots before, but is there any Legal proffesionals that know the law inside out who can run rings around these people in court??

There is a lawyer that specialises in motoring claims called Mr Loophole, as his name suggest's, he exploit's any loophole in the motoring laws. (footy players love him!)

Just thinking, any of the same in the world of dogs?

[mackem 28,047]

  Brimmer said:

Not been on here long, so forgive me if it's been said lots before, but is there any Legal proffesionals that know the law inside out who can run rings around these people in court??

There is a lawyer that specialises in motoring claims called Mr Loophole, as his name suggest's, he exploit's any loophole in the motoring laws. (footy players love him!)

Just thinking, any of the same in the world of dogs?

Clive Rees,my mates using his services at the moment.

[Simoman 110]

  Brimmer said:

Not been on here long, so forgive me if it's been said lots before, but is there any Legal proffesionals that know the law inside out who can run rings around these people in court??

There is a lawyer that specialises in motoring claims called Mr Loophole, as his name suggest's, he exploit's any loophole in the motoring laws. (footy players love him!)

Just thinking, any of the same in the world of dogs?

 

There are a few solicitors who specialise in hunting, also being insured is piece of mind..........

[chimp 299]

well i would say the quickest way of getting your dogs taken is to keep posting so called pre ban pics of your dog spewing on charlie and telling the world it took 30 mins for your dog to kill a fox

[Brimmer 220]

I'm all legal by the way, only hunt rabbits. Yes seriously by the way. Never got into the fox side of things, allthough it must have been fun, in the past! Too busy on the bunnies!

[SportingShooter 0]

  mackem said:

  Brimmer said:

Not been on here long, so forgive me if it's been said lots before, but is there any Legal proffesionals that know the law inside out who can run rings around these people in court??

There is a lawyer that specialises in motoring claims called Mr Loophole, as his name suggest's, he exploit's any loophole in the motoring laws. (footy players love him!)

Just thinking, any of the same in the world of dogs?

Clive Rees,my mates using his services at the moment.

[Brimmer 220]

What does the insurance cover, and where is it taken out, and is it worth anything? (Also how much is it?) Been a dog lad for years, but never really mixed or talked with many other so called dog lads till i got on here!

[Caravan Monster 323]

The Countryside Alliance were handing out a booklet in 2005, advising on the Hunting With Dogs Act. Part of it is a sticky on the THL lurchers section. I' ll paraphrase the 'What can the police do?' section in the context of the original question here:

 

You are not obliged to assist the police in prosecuting you. Simply state the lawful activity you have been carrying out.

 

If the officer "reasonably suspects" you have, are, or are going to hunt illegally, they can arrest you.

 

If the officer "reasonably believes" there is evidence of a hunting offence on you, your dog, in your van, or anything else you are in possession of (ie your camera), they can search those things and seize and detain them. These things can be detained until trial, after which they may be forfeit, or destroyed. So yes, they can take, and ultimately put down your dogs.

 

The police powers created by the Hunting Act are very strong and open to broad interpretation. Also, as this thread illustrates, widely underestimated by the very people affected by them.

 

Would it be possible to get a "What to do if you get stopped" put together by someone legally qualified, and preferably knowledgeable on the subject? I would imagine that the police are more likely to leave you alone, if it is clear that you know the law.

[artic 595]

There are many loop holes in the "Hunting Act" - the police can arrest you if they believe you have 'intent' ... trespass can be an arrestable offence just because you had the dogs with you. They only have to have 'reasonable suspicion' there is 'intent' and it's you that has to prove that there wasn't.

 

If you were caught with the dogs off lead in pursuit of game on land (even with permission) the police can arrest you, seize the dogs, vehicle and if charged your vehicle would be crushed, dogs rehomed or even put down and you get a criminal record and a massive fine.... we're talking thousands.

 

The simple answer is always carry your written permission with contact number just in case, or even inform the police(!) what you'll be doing - they won't bother coming to check if someone reports you.

 

[Simoman 110]

At the end of the day, what a joke with hunting getting all this attention with all the other crimes that we suffer within society

[mackem 28,047]

Thats the coppers for you Simo

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  Simoman said:

At the end of the day, what a joke with hunting getting all this attention with all the other crimes that we suffer within society

hows this for daftness....my mother in law had a "stalker" who wouldn't leave her alone,followed her,called her,threatened her and even turned up on her doorstep a few times!!. basically made her life hell. what did the police do? nothing. only if he actually DID something would they be able to act!(there words) its a very sad world when you can get arrested,possibly charged and animals that you care about put down because someone had "reasonable suspicion" you might be hunting. but threaten a human etc and leave proof you have done so(voicemails) and nothing is done til an actual crime is commited.