Checking a few earths

[Cupid Stunt 18]

graham nicholson. just had a look at your topics. and as with all other messers desperate to put down others there arnt any ( surprise surprise) there are a few posts however. mostly it seems you are on here to cause trouble and stir it a bit. enjoy it whilst it lasts the mods are sharp on this sight . and are stamping down on this type of activity. (spoiling) so get some interesting posts up about your own hunting activities. or alternatively shut the f**k up. yours in sport shinyspade.

 

 

You shouldn't really have a go at him Shiny, we can all be naive at times. One day he WILL wake up & realise he's been used as their puppet

 

 

who's pulling my strings

 

Did i mention someone pulling your strings? Sorry what i meant was someone has their hand right up your arse.

 

Charming “ thought the moderators were hot on this site??????????????

 

I'm not 'into' other men so wouldn't go as far as saying that.

[Graham Nicholson 0]

graham nicholson. just had a look at your topics. and as with all other messers desperate to put down others there arnt any ( surprise surprise) there are a few posts however. mostly it seems you are on here to cause trouble and stir it a bit. enjoy it whilst it lasts the mods are sharp on this sight . and are stamping down on this type of activity. (spoiling) so get some interesting posts up about your own hunting activities. or alternatively shut the f**k up. yours in sport shinyspade.

 

What sports that ?

 

whatever fieldsport your into mr nicholson. i

as to the earlier genuine question as to the future of the plummer terrier it is destined to go two ways in my honest opinion working enthusiasts will go down one road and the KC. brigade down another. there will be another split in the breed its sad but inevitable as the breed clubs most definately dont cater for the working side of the breed. in fact they seem to do everything in there power to try and obstruct it at every chance they get. this thread is a typical example of the imature and childish games . :realmad: :realmad: :realmad:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

drew a blank at the weekend.

 

i have no axe to grinde with anyone so have no problems with honest and fair critisism. from the plummer world or working terrier world yis

 

 

 

You are probably right in much of what you say, The Plummer Terrier, I have no doubt will sooner or later enter the folds of the Kennel club, and it will matter not a jot to either worker or show dog owners, just like the Lakeland terrier, you will have working and non working lines/ I nearly said strains, Because there is nothing to say that a show bred dog, in the right hands cannot be entered, I have owned working Bearded Collies for 20 odd years, however I met a lady in Scotland that worked show bred beardies some years ago.

Likewise you have many dual purpose dogs on this planet.

Edited November 25, 2008 by Graham Nicholson

[shinyspade 2]

and good luck to to everyone whater there goals. one mans meat is another mans poison

[Graham Nicholson 0]

and good luck to to everyone whater there goals. one mans meat is another mans poison

 

 

amen to that

[Guest 10/22]

We personally have no problem with the 'working fraternity' within the plummer terrier world going their own direction, just so long as they step to one side and allow those who wish to see the breed develop towards kc recognition move on and as such step to one side publicly and not get in the way by restricting progress. If they do that (step to one side) then off you go in your own direction with our blessing. I doubt very much then that it will affect the true enthusiasts who are working towards a goal and who are wanting to follow Brian Plummers final wishes which was to get the dogs recognised as a breed, that is , until they realise they have been left behind with what will then be known as unregistered and unregisterable plummer type dogs. Hence the reason for all this twaddle we have to put up with every time plummers are mentioned, they dont want to move forward , hence dont want anyone else to.

 

Pick up the gauntlet - Prove me wrong, publicly, write to the kc and inform them of your united decision for non involvement from the working plummers.

 

i know you darent.

[Graham Nicholson 0]

We personally have no problem with the 'working fraternity' within the plummer terrier world going their own direction, just so long as they step to one side and allow those who wish to see the breed develop towards kc recognition move on and as such step to one side publicly and not get in the way by restricting progress. If they do that (step to one side) then off you go in your own direction with our blessing. I doubt very much then that it will affect the true enthusiasts who are working towards a goal and who are wanting to follow Brian Plummers final wishes which was to get the dogs recognised as a breed, that is , until they realise they have been left behind with what will then be known as unregistered and unregisterable plummer type dogs. Hence the reason for all this twaddle we have to put up with every time plummers are mentioned, they dont want to move forward , hence dont want anyone else to.

 

Pick up the gauntlet - Prove me wrong, publicly, write to the kc and inform them of your united decision for non involvement from the working plummers.

 

i know you darent.

 

That's fair enough! what say you Shinyspade-one mans meat is another man's poison

Edited November 25, 2008 by Graham Nicholson

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We personally have no problem with the 'working fraternity' within the plummer terrier world going their own direction, just so long as they step to one side and allow those who wish to see the breed develop towards kc recognition move on and as such step to one side publicly and not get in the way by restricting progress. If they do that (step to one side) then off you go in your own direction with our blessing. I doubt very much then that it will affect the true enthusiasts who are working towards a goal and who are wanting to follow Brian Plummers final wishes which was to get the dogs recognised as a breed, that is , until they realise they have been left behind with what will then be known as unregistered and unregisterable plummer type dogs. Hence the reason for all this twaddle we have to put up with every time plummers are mentioned, they dont want to move forward , hence dont want anyone else to.

 

Pick up the gauntlet - Prove me wrong, publicly, write to the kc and inform them of your united decision for non involvement from the working plummers.

 

i know you darent.

i also have not got a problem with that. but you also should step to one side and let us get on and work our dogs and stop jumping on our working threads........

[Graham Nicholson 0]

We personally have no problem with the 'working fraternity' within the plummer terrier world going their own direction, just so long as they step to one side and allow those who wish to see the breed develop towards kc recognition move on and as such step to one side publicly and not get in the way by restricting progress. If they do that (step to one side) then off you go in your own direction with our blessing. I doubt very much then that it will affect the true enthusiasts who are working towards a goal and who are wanting to follow Brian Plummers final wishes which was to get the dogs recognised as a breed, that is , until they realise they have been left behind with what will then be known as unregistered and unregisterable plummer type dogs. Hence the reason for all this twaddle we have to put up with every time plummers are mentioned, they dont want to move forward , hence dont want anyone else to.

 

Pick up the gauntlet - Prove me wrong, publicly, write to the kc and inform them of your united decision for non involvement from the working plummers.

 

i know you darent.

i also have not got a problem with that. but you also should step to one side and let us get on and work our dogs and stop jumping on our working threads........

 

I do work my dog's and was born into the hunting fraternity- however its a big wide world and there's room for everyone, if you can't piss get off the pot

[fireman 10,946]

Claws away tim you have said in the past the working owners are in a minority and have no say in matters with in the ptcgb.Most plummer owners i've met are not into the kc bit and i would call them true enthusiasts,plummer in my opinion wanted the kc bit for his ego.He told many a story and courted controvercy and i think the thought of being remembered in a show ring as the rat man who invented that breed would have cheered him.I didn't ever meet him or ever would have wanted to,i just like the look and working ability of the plummer terrier not the man or the sound of the man himself.As for redgestering plummers??,most people can get hold of the programe for the peds and print them out and as some redg's have stopped signing theres, who's to say they are worth the paper they are printed on?.No ones stopping you from moving forward tim but don't you need unity with in the breed? and remarks like "as long as they step to one side" about the"working fraternity"won't help your cause.

[the_stig 6,614]

would the the gene pool be big enough if thr is a split in the kc and working plummers ??

[Guest 10/22]

Brian wanted the breed recognised as a breed by the kc to safe guard the future of the dogs, working terriers have to adapt in this political climate, a climate which is not going to get better, this government or any other is not going to repel the hunting bill. As it stands earth work has been severly restricted if you want to stay on the right side of the law, we have to take politics into account. The working side of the breed is not the issue, its owners who insist on having the dogs docked, preventing showing at the numerous terrier shows through out the summer- the very shows that are the breeds shop window.

Entries at all the terrier shows are down because of the docking issue and unless owners take heed the shows will dissappear, this is a fact.

Again restricting the promotion of the dogs, you guys seem happy to accept this situation, but you are doing the breed no favours.

KC recognition will increase the overall interest in the breed and allow it to be promoted to a wider audience, people will be free to choose what they use the dogs for, like labs,spaniels, hprs etc, the best working lines of gundogs are registered with the kc at no detriment to their working ability.

The best of the european working lines in all manner of working dogs are kc registered, so whats your problem.

KC recognition will not prevent anyone using their dogs for earth work, but it will allow the breed to find favour in other fields where owners use the dogs in other ways, whats your problem with that- you seem to believe that kc = showing, but you forget about field trials governed by the kc for retrievers, agility governed by the kc, etc.etc.etc.

 

You seem to have a pop at Legion for pushing kc, Brian wanted it and we have to agree with his reasons, there is no arguing facts.

You have a pop at Legion for apparently not breeding working dogs, lots of Legion dogs have gone to working homes, and the most entertaining fact is that you, who claim to breed working dogs have used our lines to start with. So please explain to me how your dogs are from working lines but ours are not when they are the same.

You are kidding no one but your selves, your pictures of sort of earth work still makes Plummer owner the laughing stock with the real working lads who choose not to advertise what they get up to. Even your determination to get your dogs docked, micro chiped and put on a register paints a picture- no one in their right mind who genuinly works the dogs hard to ground would be foolish enough to get the dog micro chipped and run the risk of a dog being traceable back to them, this again is fact.

This divide between working and kc factions within the Plummer world has been created by cliques for cliques, nothing more nothing less.

For once i have to agree with big bald and beautifull- in true Yorkshire fashion- he says it as it is.

[Waz 4,266]

Very good summary here, I bet theres a fair few who will find thereselve agreeing with lots on the link.........enjoy! LOL

 

http://www.terrierman.com/plummerterriers.htm

[Graham Nicholson 0]

Very good summary here, I bet theres a fair few who will find thereselve agreeing with lots on the link.........enjoy! LOL

 

http://www.terrierman.com/plummerterriers.htm

 

 

lets hope so mate !

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

why keep posting links up to a dog dealers site

[Guest 10/22]

The guy in the top picture who is actually working his dogs is a handsome bloke, dont you think ? no deep chested dogs there