mackem 26,642 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thats cool Tallyho,you dont want to watch it,its personal preference,no ones forcing you to watch it,but once people start to vociferously oppose it then it reminds me of the hare-coursing opponents,its a knock-on domino effect Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I know its each to there own, but i coudlnt personally sit and watch an animal end up like this , reguardless of what culture, if the animals are being killed for meat then at least do it quick . It's simple really if you dont like it dont watch it! Link to post Share on other sites
Tallyho 181 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 i dont want to get into any arguments but if its your culture and its what you have allways known then yeah i can understand that , but what i find hard to get my head round is that there are people on here that its not and has never been there culture, and that they would sit and enjoy seeing an animal in that state, because its not a quick death for the bull , like i said i dont want to get in to any arguements im just trying to see it from other peoples angle Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff.C 0 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 One fresh bull,one man,one sword that would make me impressed. It would me too fireman. But it's never a fair fight and the bull is not 100% While at the bullring pens, they are fed a diet that makes them dehydrated and sluggish. The picadors pierce the lungs so they slowly drown in their own blood. Yes, a fit bull against a man with a cape and sword would be interesting, but as things stand I feel animal torture is what goes on. It's not for me. Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,642 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I went to watch the bear/dog fights in Pakistans autonomous tribal area once,its not my sort of thing but I didnt condemn it because its their culture the same as fox hunting used to be ours Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I dont have to be from another culture to appreciate the skill involved in this particular sport or activity, the farling wood brigade in this country destroyed thousands of years of culture by humanising animals and making people beleive that they were all cute and cuddly and it was cruel to hunt etc etc. I for one dont really care how a steak ends up on my plate as long as it tastes good. Is it any worse than a pack of dogs killing a fox? Link to post Share on other sites
Cajunrules 8 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 i dont want to get into any arguments but if its your culture and its what you have allways known then yeah i can understand that , but what i find hard to get my head round is that there are people on here that its not and has never been there culture, and that they would sit and enjoy seeing an animal in that state That's like saying you can't enjoy eating Italian food if your not Italian, because it's not your culture! Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 One fresh bull,one man,one sword that would make me impressed. It would me too fireman. But it's never a fair fight and the bull is not 100% While at the bullring pens, they are fed a diet that makes them dehydrated and sluggish. The picadors pierce the lungs so they slowly drown in their own blood. Yes, a fit bull against a man with a cape and sword would be interesting, but as things stand I feel animal torture is what goes on. It's not for me. I dont profess to know the in's and out's of this but any of the bullfights I saw that night were far from sluggish (just ask the matador who got tossed about 20ft then ragged dolled for his troubles) I always thought that the idea of sticking the blades in the bulls neck was to tire it and make its head to heavy to lift making it easier for the matador to administer the final blow. Could be wrong tho! Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I dont have to be from another culture to appreciate the skill involved in this particular sport or activity, the farling wood brigade in this country destroyed thousands of years of culture by humanising animals and making people beleive that they were all cute and cuddly and it was cruel to hunt etc etc. I for one dont really care how a steak ends up on my plate as long as it tastes good. Is it any worse than a pack of dogs killing a fox? Well said. Link to post Share on other sites
jimb 30 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 To all the lads that are compareing hare coursing and foxhunting you are supposed to be hunters and yous more than anyone should know that they are miles apaprt ,the quarry has a chance to get away and a large percentage get away ,the bull has no chance to get away bullfighting is just gloryfied torture of an animal but because it has all the hype and the colourfull spectactle at a bullfight its classed as spanish culture So halall killing that the muslims do is kills the bull quicker than a bullfight but everybody includeing myself is against that but if it was the spanish doing halall killing and the muslims doing bull fighting would yous all support it ? Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,642 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Yup,and I havent got anything against halal killing,its quick Link to post Share on other sites
zap 4 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 i cant believe it can be put on a par with fox hunting ,the fox is in his surroundings not a confinde space ,when the fox is caught its a pretty fast death not constantly stabbed with spear type things ,and i,m no anti but i do care where my steak comes from i would not want to buy of some farmer who dont give a shit about the welfare of his animals ,i enjoy hunting but first and foremost is everything must be done as quick as possible i,m not there to torture animals or cause them any more suffering than is needed ,but at the same time i cant tell the bull fighters what they are doing is wrong personally it would do nowt for me ,so like stated earlier i dont need to watch Link to post Share on other sites
fireman 10,917 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Nothing to do with culture and i think a crap excuse,if a bunch of lads did that to say a cat in a garage you'd all call them all sorts of names.Stabing a bull up for a while running it around a bull ring tireing it out all to a baying crowd so some spanish equivelant(yes there was one famous english matador i know)to beckham can walk in and get the glory of dropping a allready fecked beast to the ground is messed up folks,end of.Same as lads who will stand and watch a dog maybe struggling with a fox(pre ban of course)rather than getting in there and helping,to meat head and no balls for me and no i haven't watched the link.Like to see them do it with a fresh bull,that would take balls. Link to post Share on other sites
alimac 882 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Wow, that horsemanship was truly amazing, truly the Shane Williams of horses, the way that it feinted, side stepped & turned away from the bull. Full credit to whoever posted that link, to watch man & beast work so well in unison was a joy to watch! I think some folk on here should take a long hard look at some of their comments here. Especially the one that was on about 'The Germans culture of killing Jews.' WTF? Get a grip you sad, sad person. Each to their own. We should understand that more than anybody else, to have our way of life stopped for some of us, because of the very reasons that have been posted here. 'I don't agree with somebody else culture, so it must be stopped.' What a load of shite! got my veiws to a t there .... Link to post Share on other sites
chimp 299 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) wow , im quite new to the site and must admit quite surprised of the views of hunters on other countrys sports , it is spains national sport !! ok you do not like the sport but i bet you still enjoy a holiday and ask for chips with the paella . many a bullfighter has been killed in the ring so not totally one sided as some think at least the bull can make a last stand unlike being wedged between bar and a bolt fired into it;s head . oh i must add if the bull fights well the organisers will issue an indulto and the bull is spared . Edited October 30, 2008 by chimp Link to post Share on other sites
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