The Middleton Strain

[Guest blackntan]

So is terriers bought in 1978 a good indication of Mr Middleton current terriers, just incase one wanted to buy one after reading the great book?

Neil the Middleton'strain book is crap, the old Middleton terriers were good i have old midd lines in mine , we can disect the back ground of every line , and ill repeat the question i asked Gary at the Yorkshire when did you put welsh in your line , never got answered mind, , so its back to what Ive said a hundred times, lines are only as good as the memory of the person who bred the terrier and the records kept , and the people who they obtained there stock off in the first place, old photos can be looked at to compare todays lines look at the photos of midds old stuff in that book and other books and compare them to todays , some how i don't think its natural evolution , and by the way i don't think its Mr midds input either form your own opinion on that , i am a fan of the old Middleton stuff don't know much about todays stuffs working ability but just look so much different to the stuff of the 70s 80s , hes another who has worked terriers and will all ways spare the time for a chat, we can all pass comment on all the names but answerer me this , if buck, brey, brightmore, had not passed on there lines to the next generation in cumbria what would of happened to the fell/coulerd terrier, Mr midd, toddhunter, and the rest carried the Baton and past on the breed whether you like it or not the black terrier/ fell is the product of the lakes and surrounding area , and we have all benifited from the old boys experimenting years ago , and i take my hat off to them all , we all like to think we know a bit about are own terriers lines but how far back can any one go and how accurate are the details, after all like it or not they are all cross breds ,unless you own a border

Good answer Blackntan,,

The Breeder states he got his original terriers of GM.

Are these terriers still alive??? Has he sons and daughters of them still????

Has all the breedings in that time been to GMs terriers???

If the answer is no then they are not Middleton terriers.

My own terriers in the 70s were in the hands of Mssrs Buck, Breay and Nuttall.

Are my terriers Buck and Breay??? They've been our hands several generations now so I guess that makes them ours, we deserve any credit they deserve.

The fact is that there are breeders out there making a lot of money on a reputation they had years ago. A lot of this money is of poor fools who think they're walking away with a potential worker. In reality they're walking away with a crossbred showdog.

That book was written to enhance an image.

If a man has good workers that come down from terriers he got of a "legendary" terrierman years ago and they ,after years of hard work and selective breeding, are still good workers then it's that man that deserves the pat on the back not the "legendary" terrierman.

There can be too much romance in the terrier game. And to much money spent on romantic ideas.

If your out in the freezing cold, 5 foot down a hole, arms aching and the terrier comes away the romance doesn't be long turning to rage LMAO.

I PERSONALLY DOUBT GM PURSUED SF TO ENHANCE HIS REPUTATION BY WRITING THE BOOK , GM GAINED NOTORIETY THREW WORKING TERRIERS IN THE FELLS AMONG THE FELL PACKS I ALSO THINK LIKE YOU HE ACQUIRED HIS LINE FROM OTHERS LONG PASSED, THE ESKDALE AND ENNERDALE WERE USING A B&T FELLS LONG BEFORE GM , WE AS TERRIER ENTHUSIASTS CAN ONLY REFER TO RECORDS KEPT PHOTOS TAKEN AND TALES PAST DOWN AS TO THE HISTORY OF THE FELL TERRIER, A BOOK IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE RESEARCH DONE AND THE AURTHUR'S ADAPTATION OF THE INFORMATION HE HAS GLEANED , BUCK, BREAY, BRIGHTMORE, IRVING,DOBSON, LEFT A LEGACY , THE FELL TERRIER , Edited October 29, 2008 by blackntan

[sniper 30]

any one got any picks of Middleton bred dogs.

[woodard 32]

I worked a bitch out of his stuff about 20 years ago use to kill its fox in secounds was hard at 1st trying to work out how it did it so fast

and with out getting a mark on its face so i put it in a false earth and watched the dog go to the fox

the bitch let the fox bite the back of its neck then she got a neck hold and throttled it was funny to see

[top terrierman 90]

this pup is out of a middleton dog to a red fell bitch

[sniper 30]

this pup is out of a middleton dog to a red fell bitch

nice looking dog matey.

[TonyT 1,450]

So is terriers bought in 1978 a good indication of Mr Middleton current terriers, just incase one wanted to buy one after reading the great book?

Neil the Middleton'strain book is crap, the old Middleton terriers were good i have old midd lines in mine , we can disect the back ground of every line , and ill repeat the question i asked Gary at the Yorkshire when did you put welsh in your line , never got answered mind, , so its back to what Ive said a hundred times, lines are only as good as the memory of the person who bred the terrier and the records kept , and the people who they obtained there stock off in the first place, old photos can be looked at to compare todays lines look at the photos of midds old stuff in that book and other books and compare them to todays , some how i don't think its natural evolution , and by the way i don't think its Mr midds input either form your own opinion on that , i am a fan of the old Middleton stuff don't know much about todays stuffs working ability but just look so much different to the stuff of the 70s 80s , hes another who has worked terriers and will all ways spare the time for a chat, we can all pass comment on all the names but answerer me this , if buck, brey, brightmore, had not passed on there lines to the next generation in cumbria what would of happened to the fell/coulerd terrier, Mr midd, toddhunter, and the rest carried the Baton and past on the breed whether you like it or not the black terrier/ fell is the product of the lakes and surrounding area , and we have all benifited from the old boys experimenting years ago , and i take my hat off to them all , we all like to think we know a bit about are own terriers lines but how far back can any one go and how accurate are the details, after all like it or not they are all cross breds ,unless you own a border

 

 

F*ck me B+T,you should write a book.

Your mate Mr Frain has done alright

See you soon with a spade in ya hand.

T

[Guest blackntan]

So is terriers bought in 1978 a good indication of Mr Middleton current terriers, just incase one wanted to buy one after reading the great book?

Neil the Middleton'strain book is crap, the old Middleton terriers were good i have old midd lines in mine , we can disect the back ground of every line , and ill repeat the question i asked Gary at the Yorkshire when did you put welsh in your line , never got answered mind, , so its back to what Ive said a hundred times, lines are only as good as the memory of the person who bred the terrier and the records kept , and the people who they obtained there stock off in the first place, old photos can be looked at to compare todays lines look at the photos of midds old stuff in that book and other books and compare them to todays , some how i don't think its natural evolution , and by the way i don't think its Mr midds input either form your own opinion on that , i am a fan of the old Middleton stuff don't know much about todays stuffs working ability but just look so much different to the stuff of the 70s 80s , hes another who has worked terriers and will all ways spare the time for a chat, we can all pass comment on all the names but answerer me this , if buck, brey, brightmore, had not passed on there lines to the next generation in cumbria what would of happened to the fell/coulerd terrier, Mr midd, toddhunter, and the rest carried the Baton and past on the breed whether you like it or not the black terrier/ fell is the product of the lakes and surrounding area , and we have all benifited from the old boys experimenting years ago , and i take my hat off to them all , we all like to think we know a bit about are own terriers lines but how far back can any one go and how accurate are the details, after all like it or not they are all cross breds ,unless you own a border

DO YOU THINK ID LOOK GOOD IN A YELLOW WAIST COAT AND BREAKS , T

 

 

F*ck me B+T,you should write a book.

Your mate Mr Frain has done alright

See you soon with a spade in ya hand.

T

[Guest blackntan]

So is terriers bought in 1978 a good indication of Mr Middleton current terriers, just incase one wanted to buy one after reading the great book?

Neil the Middleton'strain book is crap, the old Middleton terriers were good i have old midd lines in mine , we can disect the back ground of every line , and ill repeat the question i asked Gary at the Yorkshire when did you put welsh in your line , never got answered mind, , so its back to what Ive said a hundred times, lines are only as good as the memory of the person who bred the terrier and the records kept , and the people who they obtained there stock off in the first place, old photos can be looked at to compare todays lines look at the photos of midds old stuff in that book and other books and compare them to todays , some how i don't think its natural evolution , and by the way i don't think its Mr midds input either form your own opinion on that , i am a fan of the old Middleton stuff don't know much about todays stuffs working ability but just look so much different to the stuff of the 70s 80s , hes another who has worked terriers and will all ways spare the time for a chat, we can all pass comment on all the names but answerer me this , if buck, brey, brightmore, had not passed on there lines to the next generation in cumbria what would of happened to the fell/coulerd terrier, Mr midd, toddhunter, and the rest carried the Baton and past on the breed whether you like it or not the black terrier/ fell is the product of the lakes and surrounding area , and we have all benifited from the old boys experimenting years ago , and i take my hat off to them all , we all like to think we know a bit about are own terriers lines but how far back can any one go and how accurate are the details, after all like it or not they are all cross breds ,unless you own a border

DO YOU THINK ID LOOK GOOD IN A YELLOW WAIST COAT AND BREAKS , T

 

 

F*ck me B+T,you should write a book.

Your mate Mr Frain has done alright

See you soon with a spade in ya hand.

T

FOOOK THAT DIGGING T THAT VANNING IS EASIER

Edited October 29, 2008 by blackntan

[sniper 30]

this my bitch, got off gary himself,

last year

aint been tae ground yet

 

i know a good few good terrier men fae up north that use middleton dogs

they are either breeding stock origonally from mr middleton

and others who take theyr bitches tae his dogs

 

same succsess rate as most terriers

some make it, some dont

dogs a cracker like it ALOT.

[sniper 30]

this my bitch, got off gary himself,

last year

aint been tae ground yet

 

i know a good few good terrier men fae up north that use middleton dogs

they are either breeding stock origonally from mr middleton

and others who take theyr bitches tae his dogs

 

same succsess rate as most terriers

some make it, some dont

dogs a cracker like it ALOT.

[sniper 30]

My bitch is also Middleton dog to a fell bitch...

 

 

like that dog hippychick

[jamie d 92]

this is my middleton bred bitch into her second season now

[sniper 30]

like that Jamied, the black are really nice types.

[sniper 30]

nice dog Keano,

[top terrierman 90]

like that Jamied, the black are really nice types.

here one old stuff

 

what happent to his chin mate