The Middleton Strain

[Johnny85 50]

I have been reading the book on Gary Middleton with great interest. Has anyone worked this strain. Are they narrow. I am very keen to contact Gary, has anyone a contact number for him please.

Edited October 28, 2008 by Johnny85

[The Breeder 156]

I have been reading the book on Gary Middleton with great interest. Has anyone worked this strain. Are they narrow. I am very keen to contact Gary, has anyone a contact number for him please.

 

 

Hi, I've had Gary's lines for over 30 years, back in the days of Rock (the white-footed dog), Zeb, Tim, Nettle and Trixie to name just a few. I have at the moment 3 generations of his line, Grandmother/Mother/Daughter, all of which Black & Tan. All I would suggest to you, is not to believe everything you read in a book. Gary is getting older now and his memory, like all of ours, is getting a little bit frayed. In saying that, I can assure you all the above named dogs were excellent working terriers, and that is what I have based my own lines on. I've not been in contact with Gary for a number of years, so unfortunately I can't help you with a phone number. I have never had a problem with my dogs getting up to foxes, but I can't be sure of what his daughter is breeding now. Hope this information helps, if you persist you will succeed. Good Luck!

[Johnny85 50]

Thanks for that. the middleton blood you have did you get it from Gary, Obviously it is good if you kept it. Is the modern stuff you have bayers or killers, are they spannable

[The Breeder 156]

Thanks for that. the middleton blood you have did you get it from Gary, Obviously it is good if you kept it. Is the modern stuff you have bayers or killers, are they spannable

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I bought 1 dog and 1 bitch from Gary back in 1978, and it has been from these dogs that I have kept the line of Garys stuff. Yes - to your question, they are still fairly hard, they are bayers, but also they will mix it and have killed foxes. I now only keep bitches in my kennels and would only breed from a dog that has proved himself and is capable of killing a fox, and of course of the same lines. All my terriers can be spanned, and all the dogs I have bred can be spanned as well. Over the years, I have sold 3 maybe 4 dogs and bitches back to Gary, and they are mentioned in the book. 1 dog I sold Gary, when he was 12 months old, was named "Jock", also his litter brother "Rip", both were very hard dogs. I believe he did a fair bit of digging in your part of the world. Hope I have answered your questions. Good Hunting.

[neil cooney 10,416]

So is terriers bought in 1978 a good indication of Mr Middletons current terriers, just incase one wanted to buy one after reading the great book?

[The Breeder 156]

So is terriers bought in 1978 a good indication of Mr Middletons current terriers, just incase one wanted to buy one after reading the great book?

do not know about his current terriers

[matt11 0]

i had a black n tan middleton bred bitch,retired her 2 years ago but a cracking little bitch.would hessitate in having another!

[Johnny85 50]

Thanks for that. the middleton blood you have did you get it from Gary, Obviously it is good if you kept it. Is the modern stuff you have bayers or killers, are they spannable

"

 

I bought 1 dog and 1 bitch from Gary back in 1978, and it has been from these dogs that I have kept the line of Garys stuff. Yes - to your question, they are still fairly hard, they are bayers, but also they will mix it and have killed foxes. I now only keep bitches in my kennels and would only breed from a dog that has proved himself and is capable of killing a fox, and of course of the same lines. All my terriers can be spanned, and all the dogs I have bred can be spanned as well. Over the years, I have sold 3 maybe 4 dogs and bitches back to Gary, and they are mentioned in the book. 1 dog I sold Gary, when he was 12 months old, was named "Jock", also his litter brother "Rip", both were very hard dogs. I believe he did a fair bit of digging in your part of the world. Hope I have answered your questions. Good Hunting.

 

 

Would you have anything very narrow ready to go for sale of this line prefeably a bitch?

[Guest blackntan]

So is terriers bought in 1978 a good indication of Mr Middleton current terriers, just incase one wanted to buy one after reading the great book?

Neil the Middleton'strain book is crap, the old Middleton terriers were good i have old midd lines in mine , we can disect the back ground of every line , and ill repeat the question i asked Gary at the Yorkshire when did you put welsh in your line , never got answered mind, , so its back to what Ive said a hundred times, lines are only as good as the memory of the person who bred the terrier and the records kept , and the people who they obtained there stock off in the first place, old photos can be looked at to compare todays lines look at the photos of midds old stuff in that book and other books and compare them to todays , some how i don't think its natural evolution , and by the way i don't think its Mr midds input either form your own opinion on that , i am a fan of the old Middleton stuff don't know much about todays stuffs working ability but just look so much different to the stuff of the 70s 80s , hes another who has worked terriers and will all ways spare the time for a chat, we can all pass comment on all the names but answerer me this , if buck, brey, brightmore, had not passed on there lines to the next generation in cumbria what would of happened to the fell/coulerd terrier, Mr midd, toddhunter, and the rest carried the Baton and past on the breed whether you like it or not the black terrier/ fell is the product of the lakes and surrounding area , and we have all benifited from the old boys experimenting years ago , and i take my hat off to them all , we all like to think we know a bit about are own terriers lines but how far back can any one go and how accurate are the details, after all like it or not they are all cross breds ,unless you own a border Edited October 28, 2008 by blackntan

[Guest john the baptist]

So is terriers bought in 1978 a good indication of Mr Middleton current terriers, just incase one wanted to buy one after reading the great book?

Neil the Middleton'strain book is crap, the old Middleton terriers were good i have old midd lines in mine , we can disect the back ground of every line , and ill repeat the question i asked Gary at the Yorkshire when did you put welsh in your line , never got answered mind, , so its back to what Ive said a hundred times, lines are only as good as the memory of the person who bred the terrier and the records kept , and the people who they obtained there stock off in the first place, old photos can be looked at to compare todays lines look at the photos of midds old stuff in that book and other books and compare them to todays , some how i don't think its natural evolution , and by the way i don't think its Mr midds input either form your own opinion on that , i am a fan of the old Middleton stuff don't know much about todays stuffs working ability but just look so much different to the stuff of the 70s 80s , hes another who has worked terriers and will all ways spare the time for a chat, we can all pass comment on all the names but answerer me this , if buck, brey, brightmore, had not passed on there lines to the next generation in cumbria what would of happened to the fell/coulerd terrier, Mr midd, toddhunter, and the rest carried the Baton and past on the breed whether you like it or not the black terrier/ fell is the product of the lakes and surrounding area , and we have all benifited from the old boys experimenting years ago , and i take my hat off to them all , we all like to think we know a bit about are own terriers lines but how far back can any one go and how accurate are the details, after all like it or not they are all cross breds ,unless you own a border

 

[neil cooney 10,416]

So is terriers bought in 1978 a good indication of Mr Middleton current terriers, just incase one wanted to buy one after reading the great book?

Neil the Middleton'strain book is crap, the old Middleton terriers were good i have old midd lines in mine , we can disect the back ground of every line , and ill repeat the question i asked Gary at the Yorkshire when did you put welsh in your line , never got answered mind, , so its back to what Ive said a hundred times, lines are only as good as the memory of the person who bred the terrier and the records kept , and the people who they obtained there stock off in the first place, old photos can be looked at to compare todays lines look at the photos of midds old stuff in that book and other books and compare them to todays , some how i don't think its natural evolution , and by the way i don't think its Mr midds input either form your own opinion on that , i am a fan of the old Middleton stuff don't know much about todays stuffs working ability but just look so much different to the stuff of the 70s 80s , hes another who has worked terriers and will all ways spare the time for a chat, we can all pass comment on all the names but answerer me this , if buck, brey, brightmore, had not passed on there lines to the next generation in cumbria what would of happened to the fell/coulerd terrier, Mr midd, toddhunter, and the rest carried the Baton and past on the breed whether you like it or not the black terrier/ fell is the product of the lakes and surrounding area , and we have all benifited from the old boys experimenting years ago , and i take my hat off to them all , we all like to think we know a bit about are own terriers lines but how far back can any one go and how accurate are the details, after all like it or not they are all cross breds ,unless you own a border

Good answer Blackntan,,

The Breeder states he got his original terriers of GM.

Are these terriers still alive??? Has he sons and daughters of them still????

Has all the breedings in that time been to GMs terriers???

If the answer is no then they are not Middleton terriers.

My own terriers in the 70s were in the hands of Mssrs Buck, Breay and Nuttall.

Are my terriers Buck and Breay??? They've been our hands several generations now so I guess that makes them ours, we deserve any credit they deserve.

The fact is that there are breeders out there making a lot of money on a reputation they had years ago. A lot of this money is of poor fools who think they're walking away with a potential worker. In reality they're walking away with a crossbred showdog.

That book was written to enhance an image.

If a man has good workers that come down from terriers he got of a "legendary" terrierman years ago and they ,after years of hard work and selective breeding, are still good workers then it's that man that deserves the pat on the back not the "legendary" terrierman.

There can be too much romance in the terrier game. And to much money spent on romantic ideas.

If your out in the freezing cold, 5 foot down a hole, arms aching and the terrier comes away the romance doesn't be long turning to rage LMAO.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

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Edited October 29, 2008 by gonetoearth

[The Breeder 156]

So is terriers bought in 1978 a good indication of Mr Middleton current terriers, just incase one wanted to buy one after reading the great book?

Neil the Middleton'strain book is crap, the old Middleton terriers were good i have old midd lines in mine , we can disect the back ground of every line , and ill repeat the question i asked Gary at the Yorkshire when did you put welsh in your line , never got answered mind, , so its back to what Ive said a hundred times, lines are only as good as the memory of the person who bred the terrier and the records kept , and the people who they obtained there stock off in the first place, old photos can be looked at to compare todays lines look at the photos of midds old stuff in that book and other books and compare them to todays , some how i don't think its natural evolution , and by the way i don't think its Mr midds input either form your own opinion on that , i am a fan of the old Middleton stuff don't know much about todays stuffs working ability but just look so much different to the stuff of the 70s 80s , hes another who has worked terriers and will all ways spare the time for a chat, we can all pass comment on all the names but answerer me this , if buck, brey, brightmore, had not passed on there lines to the next generation in cumbria what would of happened to the fell/coulerd terrier, Mr midd, toddhunter, and the rest carried the Baton and past on the breed whether you like it or not the black terrier/ fell is the product of the lakes and surrounding area , and we have all benifited from the old boys experimenting years ago , and i take my hat off to them all , we all like to think we know a bit about are own terriers lines but how far back can any one go and how accurate are the details, after all like it or not they are all cross breds ,unless you own a border

Good answer Blackntan,,

The Breeder states he got his original terriers of GM.

Are these terriers still alive??? Has he sons and daughters of them still????

Has all the breedings in that time been to GMs terriers???

If the answer is no then they are not Middleton terriers.

My own terriers in the 70s were in the hands of Mssrs Buck, Breay and Nuttall.

Are my terriers Buck and Breay??? They've been our hands several generations now so I guess that makes them ours, we deserve any credit they deserve.

The fact is that there are breeders out there making a lot of money on a reputation they had years ago. A lot of this money is of poor fools who think they're walking away with a potential worker. In reality they're walking away with a crossbred showdog.

That book was written to enhance an image.

If a man has good workers that come down from terriers he got of a "legendary" terrierman years ago and they ,after years of hard work and selective breeding, are still good workers then it's that man that deserves the pat on the back not the "legendary" terrierman.

There can be too much romance in the terrier game. And to much money spent on romantic ideas.

If your out in the freezing cold, 5 foot down a hole, arms aching and the terrier comes away the romance doesn't be long turning to rage LMAO.

 

Before I start I would like to put the record straight, my name on this site might be "The Breeder", but let me asure you all, I only breed my dogs for myself and friends, and not for money either. The reason this name was used on this site, was purely adopted for me by my grandaughter, as I am always talking about terriers and how they are bred. Obivously, some people will think that I am on this site to only sell puppies - you are so wrong!! I work my terriers. I can understand where you are coming from, I agree with you about Middleton terriers, and from time to time I have put different blood in to my line i.e. Brightmoor, etc, but the foundation of the dogs I have, are from Middleton's lines. I still throw the old Blue & Tan jackets and the old Bedlington type wooly coats, that Gary's original stuff had. I have tried to keep the line as straight as possible, by using related stuff. I hope I have explained myself and not condemned for putting across my own views.

[kirstysdad 827]

So is terriers bought in 1978 a good indication of Mr Middleton current terriers, just incase one wanted to buy one after reading the great book?

Neil the Middleton'strain book is crap, the old Middleton terriers were good i have old midd lines in mine , we can disect the back ground of every line , and ill repeat the question i asked Gary at the Yorkshire when did you put welsh in your line , never got answered mind, , so its back to what Ive said a hundred times, lines are only as good as the memory of the person who bred the terrier and the records kept , and the people who they obtained there stock off in the first place, old photos can be looked at to compare todays lines look at the photos of midds old stuff in that book and other books and compare them to todays , some how i don't think its natural evolution , and by the way i don't think its Mr midds input either form your own opinion on that , i am a fan of the old Middleton stuff don't know much about todays stuffs working ability but just look so much different to the stuff of the 70s 80s , hes another who has worked terriers and will all ways spare the time for a chat, we can all pass comment on all the names but answerer me this , if buck, brey, brightmore, had not passed on there lines to the next generation in cumbria what would of happened to the fell/coulerd terrier, Mr midd, toddhunter, and the rest carried the Baton and past on the breed whether you like it or not the black terrier/ fell is the product of the lakes and surrounding area , and we have all benifited from the old boys experimenting years ago , and i take my hat off to them all , we all like to think we know a bit about are own terriers lines but how far back can any one go and how accurate are the details, after all like it or not they are all cross breds ,unless you own a border

Good answer Blackntan,,

The Breeder states he got his original terriers of GM.

Are these terriers still alive??? Has he sons and daughters of them still????

Has all the breedings in that time been to GMs terriers???

If the answer is no then they are not Middleton terriers.

My own terriers in the 70s were in the hands of Mssrs Buck, Breay and Nuttall.

Are my terriers Buck and Breay??? They've been our hands several generations now so I guess that makes them ours, we deserve any credit they deserve.

The fact is that there are breeders out there making a lot of money on a reputation they had years ago. A lot of this money is of poor fools who think they're walking away with a potential worker. In reality they're walking away with a crossbred showdog.

That book was written to enhance an image.

If a man has good workers that come down from terriers he got of a "legendary" terrierman years ago and they ,after years of hard work and selective breeding, are still good workers then it's that man that deserves the pat on the back not the "legendary" terrierman.

There can be too much romance in the terrier game. And to much money spent on romantic ideas.

If your out in the freezing cold, 5 foot down a hole, arms aching and the terrier comes away the romance doesn't be long turning to rage LMAO.

spot on if a dog is doing the job it should be down to the man that got it going in the first place and not down to the dogs granparents or great granparents good breeding does have some thing to do with it but not all personally i have some middleton stuff going back to stuff ibrought over from ireland but they have evolved since then to suit my own needs but i still get black and tan stuff coming out of my red stuff and vica versa some of the old middleton stuff was the bo,,,,ks but personally have not seen any of the recent stuff so could not coment

[dooson14t 1]

I have been reading the book on Gary Middleton with great interest. Has anyone worked this strain. Are they narrow. I am very keen to contact Gary, has anyone a contact number for him please.

thats is number mate 01539568420