planned bull x mating

[labsnlurchers 39]

I personally would not buy a pup from the planned mating you intend. If however the bitch and dog had three seasons each and were performing consistently then I would be glad tp pay. If the bitch is two then based on reasonable asssumptons she can only have been working for a year and as half of that year is spring and summer then in reality sge has only been working six months which is 26 weeks and given the average lad is out saturday and sunday and two or three nights a week when conditions are right there is not alot of time for a dog to be teseted, sure she may have got off to a great start but thats all it is a great start. I think you are being hasty in going ahead with the mating and anyone that buys a pup on this information is taking an unreasonable chance. They are two good looking dogs but would be better mated two seasons from now.

 

The bitch has had a 12 months, I am out EVERYDAY OR NIGHT, and i am certainly not a fair weather hunter! hunting is my livelihood so any dog in my kennel MUST pay their way lol! there is no chance taken here mate, I ALWAYS keep in touch with all my pups from all of my litters and always make sure the new owners know that i will buy the dog back if at any point they are not happy, as of yet i have not had one returned, all are working and everyone is happy 100% including me. I personally have only started breeding working dogs in the last couple of years but my parents have done it since i before i was born and all their experience is passed on to me. Any way these pics were not meant to be an advert they were just for a member on this site who used to own the gimp, the sire of my bull x, i am giving him a pup and wanted to show him the bitch, the pups arent even in her belly yet!

cheers

 

Them dogs dont look like there out EVERYDAY OR EVERYNIGHT ???? Not a mark on them not even any running scars on thier legs???

 

he is out everyday or night, i am a very lonely wife! lol! we have 8 dogs and run them alternately and also take the air rifle out sometimes. The bitch has done enough in my opinion and running scars on their legs??? Out of my 8 dogs only 2 have 'running scars' one from a tin sheet that was over grown with grass and one from a fence, i think i would kill him if they came home with injuries every time they ran! We tend to survey the ground before we run our dogs and remove/avoid any potential threats.

 

All dogs pick up nicks and cuts on thier legs throughout the season running through cover etc, especially bull x that bitch hasnt got so much as a scratch on her??? Peoples opinions of dogs being worked hard maybe different???

 

oh nicks n cuts, when you said running scars on their legs i wondered what you was on about lol i took a scar to mean a bad cut thats left a permanent mark. well you cant really see nicks n scratches on a photo and if i put photos of my dogs after a good night/day out i may very well find myself in the proverbial mate. like i said before, just put the pics up for a bloke on here who is havin a pup mate. http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index...c=70156&hl= this is a photo of your dog, i could comment but wont All i will say is she's a nice looking bitch, because im NICE and dont pick holes in others, please refrain from doing so to me mate. Good luck in the comp, she may suprise you.

Edited October 27, 2008 by labsnlurchers

[labsnlurchers 39]

I personally would not buy a pup from the planned mating you intend. If however the bitch and dog had three seasons each and were performing consistently then I would be glad tp pay. If the bitch is two then based on reasonable asssumptons she can only have been working for a year and as half of that year is spring and summer then in reality sge has only been working six months which is 26 weeks and given the average lad is out saturday and sunday and two or three nights a week when conditions are right there is not alot of time for a dog to be teseted, sure she may have got off to a great start but thats all it is a great start. I think you are being hasty in going ahead with the mating and anyone that buys a pup on this information is taking an unreasonable chance. They are two good looking dogs but would be better mated two seasons from now.

 

The bitch has had a 12 months, I am out EVERYDAY OR NIGHT, and i am certainly not a fair weather hunter! hunting is my livelihood so any dog in my kennel MUST pay their way lol! there is no chance taken here mate, I ALWAYS keep in touch with all my pups from all of my litters and always make sure the new owners know that i will buy the dog back if at any point they are not happy, as of yet i have not had one returned, all are working and everyone is happy 100% including me. I personally have only started breeding working dogs in the last couple of years but my parents have done it since i before i was born and all their experience is passed on to me. Any way these pics were not meant to be an advert they were just for a member on this site who used to own the gimp, the sire of my bull x, i am giving him a pup and wanted to show him the bitch, the pups arent even in her belly yet!

cheers

 

 

You say 12 months. what about when its too warm, ground is too hard, fields are full of lambs. crops grass is up higher than your knees, not to mention that foxes will be cubbing as will rabbits and hares. I dont believe anyone can hunt 12 months round???

 

You say you are out every day or night so your dog never gets injured and you run dogs when its realy warm or on frozen ground or on night with a full moon.?? These factors affect every other lurcher man I know are you saying you are different??

 

I think your are a spot on fella, the way you took back that dog and put him right gets my full admiration and every image of your dog shows me that you give them 100% care. So this is not a slander match like some of the other lads.

 

What have you to gain by rushing this matng over the next few months.??

 

What have you to loose by waiting another season.??

 

You say you have bred pups and kept tabs and they have all done well I dont doubt your honesty but you get flaws in all lines of every breed no matter how well they are reared and entered. There is one dog in my dogs litter that is a tube yet to my knowledge the other six dogs were going great.

I am not a fair weather hunter but there are certain conditons it is impossible and wreckless to run any lurcher.

 

i didnt say my dogs dont get injured just said they dont have 'running scars' on their legs, thats all.

[lancer 13]

as long as your happy with your dogs,thats all that counts real.ly

[Digging-4-life 0]

having known lnl for 10/15 years i can vouch for his credibility as a workig dog man, just because he doesnt sing it from the roof tops and post every bloody expedition on here doesnt mean he hasnt got quality in his kennel. In fact he has some of the best ive ever seen some of which is down to the quality of the dog and some down to the owner. like lancer said, as long as your happy with em mate.

[labsnlurchers 39]

good to see you have the dog back on track,well done mate

yes thats just as inportant well done hes a credit to you now good to see

thankyou mate, he's a pleasure to own and i dont even know i got him half the time.

[labsnlurchers 39]

having known lnl for 10/15 years i can vouch for his credibility as a workig dog man, just because he doesnt sing it from the roof tops and post every bloody expedition on here doesnt mean he hasnt got quality in his kennel. In fact he has some of the best ive ever seen some of which is down to the quality of the dog and some down to the owner. like lancer said, as long as your happy with em mate.

 

Have you seen my nielas pup? bitsa lurcher put a post up with a pic title FAO david lloyd, she is looking tip top

[labsnlurchers 39]

as long as your happy with your dogs,thats all that counts real.ly

 

cheers lancer mate, your words are wise.

atb

[labsnlurchers 39]

I personally would not buy a pup from the planned mating you intend. If however the bitch and dog had three seasons each and were performing consistently then I would be glad tp pay. If the bitch is two then based on reasonable asssumptons she can only have been working for a year and as half of that year is spring and summer then in reality sge has only been working six months which is 26 weeks and given the average lad is out saturday and sunday and two or three nights a week when conditions are right there is not alot of time for a dog to be teseted, sure she may have got off to a great start but thats all it is a great start. I think you are being hasty in going ahead with the mating and anyone that buys a pup on this information is taking an unreasonable chance. They are two good looking dogs but would be better mated two seasons from now.

 

The bitch has had a 12 months, I am out EVERYDAY OR NIGHT, and i am certainly not a fair weather hunter! hunting is my livelihood so any dog in my kennel MUST pay their way lol! there is no chance taken here mate, I ALWAYS keep in touch with all my pups from all of my litters and always make sure the new owners know that i will buy the dog back if at any point they are not happy, as of yet i have not had one returned, all are working and everyone is happy 100% including me. I personally have only started breeding working dogs in the last couple of years but my parents have done it since i before i was born and all their experience is passed on to me. Any way these pics were not meant to be an advert they were just for a member on this site who used to own the gimp, the sire of my bull x, i am giving him a pup and wanted to show him the bitch, the pups arent even in her belly yet!

cheers

 

 

 

 

You say 12 months. what about when its too warm, ground is too hard, fields are full of lambs. crops grass is up higher than your knees, not to mention that foxes will be cubbing as will rabbits and hares. I dont believe anyone can hunt 12 months round???

 

You say you are out every day or night so your dog never gets injured and you run dogs when its realy warm or on frozen ground or on night with a full moon.?? These factors affect every other lurcher man I know are you saying you are different??

 

I think your are a spot on fella, the way you took back that dog and put him right gets my full admiration and every image of your dog shows me that you give them 100% care. So this is not a slander match like some of the other lads.

 

What have you to gain by rushing this matng over the next few months.??

 

What have you to loose by waiting another season.??

 

You say you have bred pups and kept tabs and they have all done well I dont doubt your honesty but you get flaws in all lines of every breed no matter how well they are reared and entered. There is one dog in my dogs litter that is a tube yet to my knowledge the other six dogs were going great.

I am not a fair weather hunter but there are certain conditons it is impossible and wreckless to run any lurcher.

 

i didnt say my dogs dont get injured just said they dont have 'running scars' on their legs, thats all.

 

As I see it there is no sense in breeding from a 2 year old bitch. But they are your dogs and if you are straight with the people taking the pups you dont keep yourself and tell them the score then it is thier chance to take I personally would not buy a pup out of a 2 year old bitch I refuse to believe that any Bitch can be proven tried and tested by after two season and that there are no lines of any breed that does not have a failure so you cant guarantee anything. Regardless of this Like a isaid before it is clear you are a decent dog man and give your dogs 100% so I wish you the best of lucj with any plans you have regardless of my opinion. Adam R.

 

thank you A R.

[Guest bitsa lurcher]

having known lnl for 10/15 years i can vouch for his credibility as a workig dog man, just because he doesnt sing it from the roof tops and post every bloody expedition on here doesnt mean he hasnt got quality in his kennel. In fact he has some of the best ive ever seen some of which is down to the quality of the dog and some down to the owner. like lancer said, as long as your happy with em mate.

 

Have you seen my nielas pup? bitsa lurcher put a post up with a pic title FAO david lloyd, she is looking tip top

 

don't mind me stating a couple of breed facts , but i bred the black bitch when i owned niela , the pups father is a dog out of ginger french's old terminator . and yes the bitch is in tip top condition the same as everything else that has ever been in my kennels . there might well be a mating out of the black bitch in the near future but i'll save that for another thread thanks for the tip top comments on my bitch lnl it is a credit to myself to know that i've bred such a fine animal that gets good comments where ever she goes all the best for the future .......Bitsa lurcher

[Garypco 2]

I personally would not buy a pup from the planned mating you intend. If however the bitch and dog had three seasons each and were performing consistently then I would be glad tp pay. If the bitch is two then based on reasonable asssumptons she can only have been working for a year and as half of that year is spring and summer then in reality sge has only been working six months which is 26 weeks and given the average lad is out saturday and sunday and two or three nights a week when conditions are right there is not alot of time for a dog to be teseted, sure she may have got off to a great start but thats all it is a great start. I think you are being hasty in going ahead with the mating and anyone that buys a pup on this information is taking an unreasonable chance. They are two good looking dogs but would be better mated two seasons from now.

 

The bitch has had a 12 months, I am out EVERYDAY OR NIGHT, and i am certainly not a fair weather hunter! hunting is my livelihood so any dog in my kennel MUST pay their way lol! there is no chance taken here mate, I ALWAYS keep in touch with all my pups from all of my litters and always make sure the new owners know that i will buy the dog back if at any point they are not happy, as of yet i have not had one returned, all are working and everyone is happy 100% including me. I personally have only started breeding working dogs in the last couple of years but my parents have done it since i before i was born and all their experience is passed on to me. Any way these pics were not meant to be an advert they were just for a member on this site who used to own the gimp, the sire of my bull x, i am giving him a pup and wanted to show him the bitch, the pups arent even in her belly yet!

cheers

 

 

You say 12 months. what about when its too warm, ground is too hard, fields are full of lambs. crops grass is up higher than your knees, not to mention that foxes will be cubbing as will rabbits and hares. I dont believe anyone can hunt 12 months round???

 

You say you are out every day or night so your dog never gets injured and you run dogs when its realy warm or on frozen ground or on night with a full moon.?? These factors affect every other lurcher man I know are you saying you are different??

 

I think your are a spot on fella, the way you took back that dog and put him right gets my full admiration and every image of your dog shows me that you give them 100% care. So this is not a slander match like some of the other lads.

 

What have you to gain by rushing this matng over the next few months.??

 

What have you to loose by waiting another season.??

 

You say you have bred pups and kept tabs and they have all done well I dont doubt your honesty but you get flaws in all lines of every breed no matter how well they are reared and entered. There is one dog in my dogs litter that is a tube yet to my knowledge the other six dogs were going great.

I am not a fair weather hunter but there are certain conditons it is impossible and wreckless to run any lurcher.

 

i didnt say my dogs dont get injured just said they dont have 'running scars' on their legs, thats all.

 

As I see it there is no sense in breeding from a 2 year old bitch. But they are your dogs and if you are straight with the people taking the pups you dont keep yourself and tell them the score then it is thier chance to take I personally would not buy a pup out of a 2 year old bitch I refuse to believe that any Bitch can be proven tried and tested by after two season and that there are no lines of any breed that does not have a failure so you cant guarantee anything. Regardless of this Like a isaid before it is clear you are a decent dog man and give your dogs 100% so I wish you the best of lucj with any plans you have regardless of my opinion. Adam R.

 

 

At the end of the day if the breeding is right its right mentally 2 yrs old is an ok age for a bitch to whelp....you get failures no matter what....i took a pup on two years ago out of some really shit hot tried tested and then tried some more breeding i still ended up with a dog fighting heartless peice of reject that i had to pts.......you can put the best to the best and still get junk.....my other two bitches are bang on i knew with them at two yrs old that theyde still be doing the same seasons later and they are.....if a dog/bitch goes out gets a hammering does the same job for a full season..providing its cared for and not abused will not stop they dont just jack after a season if theyre schooled right anyhow...just my opinion before you guys jump down my throat! i see no wrong with lnl breeding here!!!

[Guest bitsa lurcher]

good post gary , i think it helps if the person breeding knows the backround of the lines to bred from . but it is still a lottery as to whether you get what you want . my advise to you lnl would be to keep 2 pups from a mating , that way if one is no good you've allways got the other one to fall back on . good luck all the same .

[labsnlurchers 39]

Thanks, I think the same way, you can tell whilst working a dog if their heart is in it, if it is it will always be aslong as the person working it knows what they are doing and doesnt give a dog a reason to jibb, of course there are exceptions to the rule. Its the same when breeding, you can get the best of the best and x it with the 2nd best of the best, you may get a full litter of do it or die trying, you may not, thats breeding for you.

[Guest bitsa lurcher]

Thanks, I think the same way, you can tell whilst working a dog if their heart is in it, if it is it will always be aslong as the person working it knows what they are doing and doesnt give a dog a reason to jibb, of course there are exceptions to the rule. Its the same when breeding, you can get the best of the best and x it with the 2nd best of the best, you may get a full litter of do it or die trying, you may not, thats breeding for you.

 

i would tend to aggree with your above comment , allthough personally i would prefer to breed from the best and if i was in any doubt of a stud dog i would not use it

[labsnlurchers 39]

good post gary , i think it helps if the person breeding knows the backround of the lines to bred from . but it is still a lottery as to whether you get what you want . my advise to you lnl would be to keep 2 pups from a mating , that way if one is no good you've allways got the other one to fall back on . good luck all the same .

 

thats why ive been in touch with the breeders of both the dog and the bitch, im happy with my programme and am sticking to it.

[Gooner 143]

Nice looking dogs mate.

You have done a wonderful job with the brindle, they are a real credit to you.