Daniel cain 45,884 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 4 hours ago, howdeeposxxt said: I keep and work bitches as a rule.... Just retired one end of this season getting on for double figures... Took a litter from her at 6 yr old and she was lined with a dog last summer but unfortunately had 1 pup that she killed.... I had a bitch here from the first litter that worked, but not to a standard where I was happy to take a litter from her,no other bitches in the litter. she went to some lads with a gun pack, suit their needs more than mine. I threw everything at the old bitch, she got me results where other dogs had failed miserabley up and down the country. I'm sat here thinking what to do? Do I line the old bitch again and prepare for the heartache if she loses them again? Or worst still her if there's complications? Or forget it and go down a different route with young stuff I've bought In with peds I'm not 100% sure are true or I can trust ? Taking someones word on them? I have only ever bred for myself and a few other lads, that ended up doing the dirty on me..... No way so long as I got a hole in my arse would I ask them for anything fullstop. Theres a dog going strong from the first litter I'd like to fold back in and try and keep something going but no viable bitch other than its dam. Any suggestions from those of you in the know? Or do I just give up and lose the blood start again? I have thought maybe I should of just bred from them at a younger age but dont believe that to be the right thing to do... in my heart of hearts, a dog/bitch needs testing not just a season or two. The old bitch in question lost her first litter, had 4 pups second time around then last time the one bitch pup she killed, is it worth trying her again??? To be honest there's not a vet I trust within 50miles of here having been stung when breeding my Lurcher bitch in the past. Tried giving me shit last time over the bitches age.... But happy enough to let folks drag litter after litter from their frenchies at 12 month old. Cheeky cnuts 2 1 Quote Link to post
marshman 7,758 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 A mate of mine had as good a bitch any man could want. He worked her until she had proven herself with a few season under her belt. Bred her twice to two good dogs and both litters wasn’t worth a Light ! They just didn’t click there’s no rhyme or reason no garrantees . We was discussing breeding her one last time when my mate past away ( digging to he’s bitch ) now what I’ve learnt from this tale is once a bitch or dog has proven itself with a few season work . get it bred lol as Dd said we’ve only one lifetime ! It could be the dogs or your number that’s time is up have no regrets lads ? 8 Quote Link to post
Glyn..... 5,208 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 58 minutes ago, Daniel cain said: I keep and work bitches as a rule.... Just retired one end of this season getting on for double figures... Took a litter from her at 6 yr old and she was lined with a dog last summer but unfortunately had 1 pup that she killed.... I had a bitch here from the first litter that worked, but not to a standard where I was happy to take a litter from her,no other bitches in the litter. she went to some lads with a gun pack, suit their needs more than mine. I threw everything at the old bitch, she got me results where other dogs had failed miserabley up and down the country. I'm sat here thinking what to do? Do I line the old bitch again and prepare for the heartache if she loses them again? Or worst still her if there's complications? Or forget it and go down a different route with young stuff I've bought In with peds I'm not 100% sure are true or I can trust ? Taking someones word on them? I have only ever bred for myself and a few other lads, that ended up doing the dirty on me..... No way so long as I got a hole in my arse would I ask them for anything fullstop. Theres a dog going strong from the first litter I'd like to fold back in and try and keep something going but no viable bitch other than its dam. Any suggestions from those of you in the know? Or do I just give up and lose the blood start again? I have thought maybe I should of just bred from them at a younger age but dont believe that to be the right thing to do... in my heart of hearts, a dog/bitch needs testing not just a season or two. The old bitch in question lost her first litter, had 4 pups second time around then last time the one bitch pup she killed, is it worth trying her again??? To be honest there's not a vet I trust within 50miles of here having been stung when breeding my Lurcher bitch in the past. Tried giving me shit last time over the bitches age.... But happy enough to let folks drag litter after litter from their frenchies at 12 month old. Cheeky cnuts go with your old bitch don't get tied up with what ifs , breeding anything has a risk involved get her back to the best working related dog and take the chance , as all ready said a lot of luck or chance involved , i once bred a dog and bitch and got 5 pups , good enough to grace any kennel anywhere , i've got this game cracked i think to myself , next litter brought me back to ground all but one where rubbish, 3rd litter thank god i was back on track , but i had to take a chance 5 Quote Link to post
jiggy 3,209 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Glyn..... said: go with your old bitch don't get tied up with what ifs , breeding anything has a risk involved get her back to the best working related dog and take the chance , as all ready said a lot of luck or chance involved , i once bred a dog and bitch and got 5 pups , good enough to grace any kennel anywhere , i've got this game cracked i think to myself , next litter brought me back to ground all but one where rubbish, 3rd litter thank god i was back on track , but i had to take a chance Was it the same sire you used all 3 times to the same dam? Quote Link to post
Glyn..... 5,208 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 yes mate 1 Quote Link to post
jiggy 3,209 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Just now, Glyn..... said: yes mate That's interesting it goes to show that the genotype and phenotype will line up different whatever way the dice rolls. Recessive genes or not. Some used to say litter wastage was higher in older bitchs. 3 Quote Link to post
Liamboy 1,266 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Daniel cain said: I keep and work bitches as a rule.... Just retired one end of this season getting on for double figures... Took a litter from her at 6 yr old and she was lined with a dog last summer but unfortunately had 1 pup that she killed.... I had a bitch here from the first litter that worked, but not to a standard where I was happy to take a litter from her,no other bitches in the litter. she went to some lads with a gun pack, suit their needs more than mine. I threw everything at the old bitch, she got me results where other dogs had failed miserabley up and down the country. I'm sat here thinking what to do? Do I line the old bitch again and prepare for the heartache if she loses them again? Or worst still her if there's complications? Or forget it and go down a different route with young stuff I've bought In with peds I'm not 100% sure are true or I can trust ? Taking someones word on them? I have only ever bred for myself and a few other lads, that ended up doing the dirty on me..... No way so long as I got a hole in my arse would I ask them for anything fullstop. Theres a dog going strong from the first litter I'd like to fold back in and try and keep something going but no viable bitch other than its dam. Any suggestions from those of you in the know? Or do I just give up and lose the blood start again? I have thought maybe I should of just bred from them at a younger age but dont believe that to be the right thing to do... in my heart of hearts, a dog/bitch needs testing not just a season or two. The old bitch in question lost her first litter, had 4 pups second time around then last time the one bitch pup she killed, is it worth trying her again??? To be honest there's not a vet I trust within 50miles of here having been stung when breeding my Lurcher bitch in the past. Tried giving me shit last time over the bitches age.... But happy enough to let folks drag litter after litter from their frenchies at 12 month old. Cheeky cnuts If I was in your position DC I would look for a dog with similar blood and put it over your old bitch again. It would be worth the risk Imo. She has done you proud over the years and you will no doubt regret it when u look back if you haven't got anything down off her to bring on. It's a risk but 1 worth taking if you really rate her. 3 Quote Link to post
Glyn..... 5,208 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) 54 minutes ago, jiggy said: That's interesting it goes to show that the genotype and phenotype will line up different whatever way the dice rolls. Recessive genes or not. Some used to say litter wastage was higher in older bitchs. yes that theory is wide spread in my area mainly hound men but they don't like to breed tight neither , from my own observations, i've not found it not to be true on the whole older bitches have less pups especially if they have had other litters as a egg can't take hold on scare tissue left from the imbecile of previous litters, this can also cause miscarriage and she may have a little bit of a difficult time rearing them just because she's getting on but the genetics's will be the same , i suppose if the bitch used to have 6 pups and two where rubbish , then when older she had 3 pup and 2 where rubbish, people may think she can no longer produce the workers Edited March 30, 2018 by Glyn..... Quote Link to post
ziggy 619 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Defo worth the risk dc I lined my bitch at 9 years old she came with 3 one died .. i kept the dog and my pal kept the bitch both are flying an working well... Gonna line the old dog again this time. She be coming up 12 this time an in .still dig to her regularly... end of last season dug 19ft to her she never move an inch an to say ther was a couple of dogs treyed before her to which they couldn't find and stay .. ill miss her when she s gone 6 Quote Link to post
Daniel cain 45,884 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Thank you for the positive comments....I will keep the bitch active and fingers crossed for her to have another season and whelp them 2 1 Quote Link to post
dillydog 8,463 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 12 years old, with her last pup ! He saw his first fox last week, killed it and drew it from a decent earth. Time will tell if he's got what it takes but it's a good start for now. 17 Quote Link to post
dillydog 8,463 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) I haven't got anything more recent, he's just starting to shape up and loose the puppy fat. He was born on the 21st of March last year and he saw his first fox a few days ago. Edited March 30, 2018 by dillydog 10 Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 If you rate the dog mate you have no choice but to try that mating if you wish to start something of your own .I really hope she does rear a few and the blood gels .Keep us posted mate . Quote Link to post
jake824 517 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, dillydog said: I haven't got anything more recent, he's just starting to shape up and loose the puppy fat. He was born on the 21st of March last year and he saw his first fox a few days ago. I like him dilly , a little belter Quote Link to post
ziggy 619 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Nice pup dilly...carnt let mine of with sheep like that lol.. pups or adults 1 Quote Link to post
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