Permission etc.

[troutfisher710 0]

Hi,

As a returnee to the shooting fraternity after a long embarcation into the reproductive cycle I now have obtained a rifle with scopes etc and have been looking deeply into the legalities and other things within the website and others.

Hoping to shoot a few bunnies, pigeons and other available game for the pot as well as taking some vermin out along the way.

I have to say that reading between the pages there appears to be an awful lot more legislative prohibition and care taken with the permission side of things.

I am all in favour of insuring against damages and can understand the need for local registration and club membership etc. BUT the worrying aspect of my return to enjoying a day with an air rifle is this;

1. Am I liable to be surrounded by police the minute I carry a gun along a public road, be it covered or not.

2. Am I likely to need to show proof of permission on what I have always considered common or rough ground.

3. The need to register with the police and tell them of your every movement when going out.

4. I take it that "guesting" on peoples land as was the norm a few years ago is probably the way into deep sh*t!

 

Basically I want to enjoy my shooting and avoid confrontation, any advice would be appreciated however lengthy the reply.

Thanks in anticipation,

Gary

[slyfox-mal 1]

carry a rifle uncovered anywhere in public and it will get taken off you and you could face prosicution

you have no right to shoot on any common land full stop

i would only tell the police that youre going shooting if you may come into contact with the genral public

i.e a public footpath near the land you have permission to shoot on ,thats my understanding of the law but im sure there will more concise answers coming shortly thanks mal

[davyt63 1,845]

Hi,

As a returnee to the shooting fraternity after a long embarcation into the reproductive cycle I now have obtained a rifle with scopes etc and have been looking deeply into the legalities and other things within the website and others.

Hoping to shoot a few bunnies, pigeons and other available game for the pot as well as taking some vermin out along the way.

I have to say that reading between the pages there appears to be an awful lot more legislative prohibition and care taken with the permission side of things.

I am all in favour of insuring against damages and can understand the need for local registration and club membership etc. BUT the worrying aspect of my return to enjoying a day with an air rifle is this;

1. Am I liable to be surrounded by police the minute I carry a gun along a public road, be it covered or not.

2. Am I likely to need to show proof of permission on what I have always considered common or rough ground.

3. The need to register with the police and tell them of your every movement when going out.

4. I take it that "guesting" on peoples land as was the norm a few years ago is probably the way into deep sh*t!

 

Basically I want to enjoy my shooting and avoid confrontation, any advice would be appreciated however lengthy the reply.

Thanks in anticipation,

Gary

hi Gary

 

answer to 1 you can carry a rifle in a slip as long as its secure if its not then yes you can be arrested

 

answer to 2 it is always best to have written permission what ever land your shooting on

 

answer to 3 i always call the police for a U.R.N. number to log my shooting activity my personal opinion

{ reason i don't want the ARU on my ass again }

 

answer to 4 trespassing with a firearm YES

 

Hope this helps

regards

 

Davy

[slyfox-mal 1]

ye thats what i was trying to say davy lol

[davyt63 1,845]

ye thats what i was trying to say davy lol

thought i would make it clear .how you getting on with your aatx200hc?

[slyfox-mal 1]

getting on great mate even though i shoot lefthanded i am manageing just fine and the weight of the gun is not a problem best thing i have ever gone into det over lol

[troutfisher710 0]

Thanks guys,

I think this shooting lark (no pun intended) is going to prove a bit more difficult to enjoy than I thought but at least if I follow the rules and regs Ill not get in too much trouble.

Think I had best,

1. Get some permission

2. Let the local constabulary be aware of my intentions

3. Know the law inside out and keep good records of movements etc.

4. Dont be tempted to "guest" as much as I am tempted.

 

I didnt expect all this work when I thought about getting a simple air rifle

 

Do you get the same sort of troubles and grief if you go out lamping with dogs or covering warrens with nets and ferrets?

 

G

Edited October 9, 2008 by troutfisher710

[slyfox-mal 1]

lol stick to the law mate and you will get no grief

you sound like you got youre head screwed on right get some letters out asking for premissions and see how it goes

all the best mal

[Coney 3]

Hi,

As a returnee to the shooting fraternity after a long embarcation into the reproductive cycle I now have obtained a rifle with scopes etc and have been looking deeply into the legalities and other things within the website and others.

Hoping to shoot a few bunnies, pigeons and other available game for the pot as well as taking some vermin out along the way.

I have to say that reading between the pages there appears to be an awful lot more legislative prohibition and care taken with the permission side of things.

I am all in favour of insuring against damages and can understand the need for local registration and club membership etc. BUT the worrying aspect of my return to enjoying a day with an air rifle is this;

1. Am I liable to be surrounded by police the minute I carry a gun along a public road, be it covered or not.

2. Am I likely to need to show proof of permission on what I have always considered common or rough ground.

3. The need to register with the police and tell them of your every movement when going out.

4. I take it that "guesting" on peoples land as was the norm a few years ago is probably the way into deep sh*t!

 

Basically I want to enjoy my shooting and avoid confrontation, any advice would be appreciated however lengthy the reply.

Thanks in anticipation,

Gary

hi Gary

 

answer to 1 you can carry a rifle in a slip as long as its secure if its not then yes you can be arrested

 

answer to 2 it is always best to have written permission what ever land your shooting on

 

answer to 3 i always call the police for a U.R.N. number to log my shooting activity my personal opinion

{ reason i don't want the ARU on my ass again }

 

answer to 4 trespassing with a firearm YES

 

Hope this helps

regards

 

Davy

 

 

[davyt63 1,845]

getting on great mate even though i shoot lefthanded i am manageing just fine and the weight of the gun is not a problem best thing i have ever gone into det over lol

reason i asked i had one and what a great rifle still miss it now had a great time with it as well

regards

 

Davy

[davyt63 1,845]

getting on great mate even though i shoot lefthanded i am manageing just fine and the weight of the gun is not a problem best thing i have ever gone into det over lol

reason i asked i had one and what a great rifle still miss it now had a great time with it as well

regards

 

Davy

[Grim Reaper 1]

Troutfisher,

 

I will try to give you my considered answers to your queries

 

Q1. If your air rifle is contained within a securely locked gunslip or case, then no,you are unlikely to 'be surrounded' by police. You may well be stopped by an officer of course, but you won't become surrounded by them! The exception to this rule is that if your gun is NOT contained within a securely locked gunslip or case, then you could very well end up surrounded and arrested!!

 

Q2. You will not be expected to show proof of permission on 'common or rough ground' - primarily because you won't generally be finding yourself in posession of any permission for that type of ground - permission for that ground type is rarer than rocking horse shit (think PUBLIC access area, that will be the reason). Also, most common ground is usually owned by the local council.

 

Q3. It is advisable (though not required by law) to advise the police of where you are going to be shooting - in case someone should ring them up and report "there's a man with a gun about these parts . . ." - if this has been reprted (and you had given them prior notice) then you may well find they could ring your mobile number to check if you are indeed still there, and they could then send a pair of Duty PC's around to check things over. When you have finished your days shooting, just ring up the control room and close the log on that event. Simple as.

 

Q4. If you are allowed to 'guest' someone, then this isn't, and shouldn't be viewed as something 'bad' at all - I have to say that this is indeed how my son now has permission in his own name at my Crematorium shoot. The crem Super-Intendant had watched my son many times whilst we were having a days target shooting here and there, and had watched his behaviour, safety etc. After a good deal of calendar time had passed by, The Super then informed me one day while i was directing a funeral that he was willing to give my boy permission too - not as a guest, but in his own name. So, the mere fact that a landowner is willing to allow a guest there with you should not be looked at as a bad thing at all, but rather as a 'gift' of their trust in you. Sort of like a way of testing you out - your level of trust, your behaviour, how you handle responsibility etc. If you are not found wanting in any way, your future life on your shoot could well be much more fruitfull.

 

That's my angle on it, anyway.

 

Also, I would like to point out that if a person you would wish to have with you as a shooting guest has been introduced to, and allowed by the landowner, then it is not armed trespass at all - as they would have been given permission for that day by the landowner themselves!.

 

 

 

 

 

All the best,

Grim.

Edited October 10, 2008 by Grim Reaper

[slyfox-mal 1]

excellent reply as always grim

regards mal

[Grim Reaper 1]

excellent reply as always grim

regards mal

 

 

Slyfox Mal,

 

I thank you!

 

 

 

Regards,

Grim.