frosty 0 Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 I know a pack would make short work of any dog but would a single coyote go through the trouble of trying to eat one of these dogs? Quote Link to post
Pops 19 Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 depends, coyotes in the SW USA are small 20-35# full adults and tend not to pack up so here probably could pull it off. eastern USA coyotes run 30-50# normally and can be as big as 70#, at that size they are going to chow down just like they will on any fox they catch. that being said i've sen pics of eastern coyotes getting stretched by a trio of jagdterriers in the 20-25# range. Quote Link to post
Guest blackntan Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 I RECKON PATT BUTCHER COULD Quote Link to post
Kye 77 Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 When i lived in Vegas, my wifes bitch (russell) was snatched up buy a coyote, and we lived five minutes drive from Mandalay Bay!...right in town...she got tore up badly, and had to have a shit load of stiches...ive no doubt it would have killed and eaten her if i hadnt of been in the house. Also my friends have had a russell taken in Mexico buy coyotes...ive also know of coyotes attacking/killing/eating dogs upto the size of Labrodors, although not common....there have been numerous attacks and children killed buy coyotes, mostly in California, around the L.A basin area, and its loaded with yotes there as well. Kye.. Quote Link to post
heshimus 1 Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 but a little pattxstaffie or a russelxstaffie could give a fight to them coyotes or not? that's why you have coonhounds, American bulldog's and ameican pit bull terriers. about coonhounds, saw a plotthound (bloodhoundxapbt i think) this weekend, frack of a dog. stiff as hell, hard as steel. best regards Quote Link to post
bluecollar 104 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 but a little pattxstaffie or a russelxstaffie could give a fight to them coyotes or not? that's why you have coonhounds, American bulldog's and ameican pit bull terriers. about coonhounds, saw a plotthound (bloodhoundxapbt i think) this weekend, frack of a dog. stiff as hell, hard as steel. best regards Plotts are off of imported Bavarian Hounds in the early 1800 line breed for big game in the North Carolina mountains by the Plott family, they are NOT a mix.. Mostly bred for Hogs and Bear.. As far a yotes in the Northern states they can get up to 90lbs but for the most part they are under 45-50lbs, where I live 25-35lbs is normal.. So for me 30lbs dog or two is fine but up north that size dog would be a snack... Quote Link to post
Guest blackntan Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 but a little pattxstaffie or a russelxstaffie could give a fight to them coyotes or not? that's why you have coonhounds, American bulldog's and ameican pit bull terriers. about coonhounds, saw a plotthound (bloodhoundxapbt i think) this weekend, frack of a dog. stiff as hell, hard as steel. best regards Plotts are off of imported Bavarian Hounds in the early 1800 line breed for big game in the North Carolina mountains by the Plott family, they are NOT a mix.. Mostly bred for Hogs and Bear.. As far a yotes in the Northern states they can get up to 90lbs but for the most part they are under 45-50lbs, where I live 25-35lbs is normal.. So for me 30lbs dog or two is fine but up north that size dog would be a snack... i got a couple of vids of plotts hunting bear treeing one bear killed three of them plotts and smashed a couple up bad north carolina mountains , Quote Link to post
heshimus 1 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 sorry about the misleading info, but glad for the shared info. know a little more know about plotts. best regards Quote Link to post
Pops 19 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 (edited) actually no one knows the exact ancestry of the plott. what is known is that Jonathon Plott already had them when he settled in the mountains of North Carolina. it is alledged that they were boarhunden that he brought from germany, if so that would make them descended of working danes which was the preeminent boarhunting breed at the time. further the brindle version was so popular in the southern portion of germany that it was often called an ulmer after the city of Ulm which is only about 60 miles from the current border of Bavaria. it is also known that Montraville Plott, the last great patriarch of the family, took great offense to anyone calling his dogs hounds and would correct them in less tham polite terms using a loud and harsh voice. he insisted that the plott dogs were and always had been curs. in true cur form Mont was known to use the same dogs he hunted bear with to move cattle & horses. this has lead to speculation that Jonathon aquired them from scottish & irish settlers as the family moved south through western Pennsylvania, Maryland and Virginia. the family line was kept pure, except for a single leopard colored (merle) bear dog out of Georgia, until Vaughan Plott (or Von Plott) bred hound (alledgedly bloodhound but also possibly black & tan or high tan coon/fox hound) into the breed in the early 1900s. it is believe this was done to make them colder nosed and more open on track in response to the decrease in bear populations and the resulting difficulty in hunting them. there are allegations that Taylor Crockett added dane & bulldog (pit dogs maybe be but doubtful due to the size of crockett's dogs) to his line of plott bear dogs. OTH older pictures of plott dogs owned by the Plott family show some much larger very currish dogs compared to the modern little houndy things, and well within the range of crockett's dogs. Edited October 9, 2008 by Pops Quote Link to post
Pops 19 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 the largest genetically pure coyote killed on record so far is 76# in the NE USA. Quote Link to post
Tiff 36 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 jeez that must have some been some size! Quote Link to post
bluecollar 104 Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 the largest genetically pure coyote killed on record so far is 76# in the NE USA. Ya my friend got a 87lbs one in Canada but like you were saying at that size I am sure it was a wolf cross yote.. and as far as plotts go the version you gave is the story I go w/ as it seems to be the most creditable.. German type hog hunting dogs line bred in the US south for big game, mostly Bear and then hog.. I like Kemmer Curr or Black Mouth Curr Plott crosses the best and that is what I would have again if I had scent type dogs.. C.J. Quote Link to post
Pops 19 Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 me personally, i don't care to cross breed dogs of the same type. i don't think their is any significant gain. i think you gain more by crossing these dogs to true scent hounds, sighthounds & bulldogs. JMO & worth what you paid for it. Quote Link to post
Thunderbelly 7 Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Plotts are off of imported Bavarian Hounds in the early 1800 line breed for big game in the North Carolina mountains by the Plott family, they are NOT a mix.. Mostly bred for Hogs and Bear.. As far a yotes in the Northern states they can get up to 90lbs but for the most part they are under 45-50lbs, where I live 25-35lbs is normal.. So for me 30lbs dog or two is fine but up north that size dog would be a snack... I live on the north shore of lake Erie, and regularly see the "large" coyote, they look are about the size of a good alsatian dog. To keep them off my beagles, I put a small cow bell on their collars. I have never heard of anyone who uses this trick loosing a dog to coyotes, however the same people who hunt a pack without bells loose dogs. My neighbourhood is fairly new and we still have the deer and coyotes in the woods around us, you should see all the cat missing and lost my dog posters. I have found spots where the coyotes lay in wait for the domestic animals to pass. Quote Link to post
Guest friedrice Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 the best dog test ever was a badger to a British terrier Quote Link to post
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