Antis

[kash 1]

a few years back i was out with the BTCV on one of the many goverment we will no what you do during the day courses plus i got a nice list of local conservationary sites then when at the end of the course we all met up in pub, when one of turned to me and said " i thought it was good that a black guy came and seen out the course to the end, but then you come out with these stupid white ideas about hunting maybe cause i used to read me plummer books while traveling and they call us stupid

[TOPPER 1,809]

WE HAD ONE WHO USED TO GIVE US A LOT OF HASSLE BUT ONE OF THE LADS FOUND OUT HIS TRUE NAME AND WENT ON THE ELECTORAL ROLL GOT HIS ADDRESS ETC AND HE GOT A SHIT LOAD OF GREIF NEVER BOTHERED US AGAIN!!!!!!

[Quasar 1]

is this the Prick ?

 

When the traditional bloodsport of fox hunting was banned three years ago, the new law did nothing to end the debate.

Today arguments for and against hunting with dogs rage on, with many people criticising the new law as being either unenforceable or a breach of human rights.

To mark the anniversary, the Chronicle & Echo has put together a feature examining how the practice of hunting has managed to survive, years after the ban.

The Hunters

While the number of active bloodsport protesters seems to have fallen, hunting in Northamptonshire is now going from strength to strength.

 

There was a time, before the ban on hunting foxes with dogs, when pro-hunt supporters feared for the future of their historic pastime and worried over the loss of potentially hundreds of jobs connected to the sport.

 

But, three years after the ban came into force, hunting groups are still venturing out thanks to a dogged determination to keep the age-old activity alive.

 

Charles Smyth-Osbourne, who leads the Grafton Hunt in Northamptonshire, said: "No one has really lost their jobs. The same sort of numbers are coming out with us and we run a similar sort of operation.

 

"People come because they enjoy it. People are still hunting, therefore it isn't leading to any particular job losses. That has been a strategy for the hunting community since the ban. We believe it will be possible to get the law repealed or overturned through various legal channels.

 

There is an appeal to the European court of human rights. There has been a massive effort to keep the hunts going, making sure you can go out into the countryside once or twice a week."

 

The Grafton Hunt, which has been operating for more than 200 years, now continues its activities legally, by laying out a false scent trail for a pack of dogs to follow.

 

This is just one option available to today's hunters. It is also legal now to flush out a fox to a bird of prey or to be shot. Deliberately chasing and killing a fox with a pack of dogs has been banned and if a chase ensues accidentally during the course of a hunt, the dogs must be called off.

 

Joint master of the Grafton Hunt Colin Richmond-Watson said: "It is a sport. These hounds have been bred to follow a scent. It is about watching the hounds at work, and the people who are riding don't know where the trail has been laid."

 

"One of the problems is that we could be hunting a trail and suddenly a fox will get up." He said that if this happens, the dogs must be called off. "Occasionally they will get killed; suddenly a fox will jump in front of a pack of hounds."

 

He said the law does nothing for animal welfare as it allows a fox to be wounded by a gun, but with hounds a fox would be dead within two seconds.

 

Speaking about anti-hunt claims regarding aggressive action by hunters, he said: "They come along and stick videos in your face. They have sworn at my wife and been rude to my children.

"They are quite aggressive. I don't condone any violence on our side, but they do provoke people."

 

The Protesters

"I'm not going out (to follow hunts) as much anymore as I'm too scared to. It is too risky to attend a hunt event with a camera.

 

"If you don't get your camera smashed up or your face smashed up, then you are the one getting picked up for behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace."

 

These were the words of David Smailes, a Northamptonshire member of the League Against Cruel Sports, as he reflected on the fall in protest activities.

 

Clive Richardson, who has been an active hunt saboteur for more than 20 years, is a member of the East Northants anti-blood sports group and confessed the organisation had seen a downturn in numbers from 30 to 10 in the last three years.

 

He explained that hunting groups have become more sensitive over the last three years as he believes they are afraid of being caught on camera or film. Consequently, he now thinks many protesters fear the consequences of turning up at a hunt with a camera.

 

He said: "There are people who want to believe it has been enforced (and have left anti-hunt movements) but the case is that a lot of people are scared to come out and do it, because they are scared of being attacked."

 

He claims there was one time last year, outside Northamptonshire, when he was hit around the head with a stick after turning up at a hunt.

"I was standing by a road and we could see the hunting some distance

away. We saw some men walking down behind us and did not think anything of it, but then they grabbed the camera and I tried to pull this person off to save the camera. The next thing I was being hit around the head with a walking stick."

 

He believes that many hunting groups are continuing to act illegally or use loopholes in the law.

 

He said: "If I was to turn up as a country person with a pair of binoculars, I would see them hunting as if nothing had changed, but if you turn up with a yellow sign saying 'hunt monitor' they would start trying to use the loopholes in the law."

 

He continued: "It is still the law and no one should be allowed to flout the law; it is not for these people to pick and choose which laws they obey. The law has to stand for something, otherwise you could flout all of them."

 

He believes the law as it stands is not enforced well and needs to be simplified.

 

"The police don't fully understand it. Most police officers are used to talking to people about burglaries, threatening behaviour or something on a Saturday night. They are not used to this."

Mr Smailes said: "In itself the ban is fair enough but it needs to be enforced; that is what isn't happening. Why make a law without enforcing it?"

 

The Law

The Hunting Act 2004, which came into force three years ago this month, has been widely criticised by hunters and protesters alike for being confusing and unenforceable.

 

Northamptonshire Police sometimes has to field calls from members of the public who see a group of dogs rushing across a field and instantly call the police, believing it is illegal.

 

But that is not necessarily the case.

 

The law makes it an offence to hunt wild mammals with dogs and completely bans hare coursing. But there are exemptions, which include hunting rats and rabbits and flushing out a creature to be killed by a bird of prey, or to be shot. If a fox crosses the path of a pack of hounds, the dogs must be called off.

 

Police figures show in the last three years there have been two prosecutions for illegal hare coursing.

 

Northamptonshire Police countryside and wildlife officer PC Glynne Malkin said, as far as the police are aware, hunting in the county is now going on within the law.

 

Answering criticisms that the law is not being enforced, he said: "It is pretty much the same as any other crime. We have to have the evidence."

 

He said: "We are not receiving any reports. We don't go out and follow every hunt to see if they are committing an offence. They are investigated in the same way as any other crime. They are not treated differently to any other crime."

 

 

tosser got bopped on the head - love it.

[Guest bigredbusa]

i want to get to a few and show my support this year any upcoming ones in cambridgeshire aswell?

[Aaron 3]

is this the Prick ?

 

When the traditional bloodsport of fox hunting was banned three years ago, the new law did nothing to end the debate.

Today arguments for and against hunting with dogs rage on, with many people criticising the new law as being either unenforceable or a breach of human rights.

To mark the anniversary, the Chronicle & Echo has put together a feature examining how the practice of hunting has managed to survive, years after the ban.

The Hunters

While the number of active bloodsport protesters seems to have fallen, hunting in Northamptonshire is now going from strength to strength.

 

There was a time, before the ban on hunting foxes with dogs, when pro-hunt supporters feared for the future of their historic pastime and worried over the loss of potentially hundreds of jobs connected to the sport.

 

But, three years after the ban came into force, hunting groups are still venturing out thanks to a dogged determination to keep the age-old activity alive.

 

Charles Smyth-Osbourne, who leads the Grafton Hunt in Northamptonshire, said: "No one has really lost their jobs. The same sort of numbers are coming out with us and we run a similar sort of operation.

 

"People come because they enjoy it. People are still hunting, therefore it isn't leading to any particular job losses. That has been a strategy for the hunting community since the ban. We believe it will be possible to get the law repealed or overturned through various legal channels.

 

There is an appeal to the European court of human rights. There has been a massive effort to keep the hunts going, making sure you can go out into the countryside once or twice a week."

 

The Grafton Hunt, which has been operating for more than 200 years, now continues its activities legally, by laying out a false scent trail for a pack of dogs to follow.

 

This is just one option available to today's hunters. It is also legal now to flush out a fox to a bird of prey or to be shot. Deliberately chasing and killing a fox with a pack of dogs has been banned and if a chase ensues accidentally during the course of a hunt, the dogs must be called off.

 

Joint master of the Grafton Hunt Colin Richmond-Watson said: "It is a sport. These hounds have been bred to follow a scent. It is about watching the hounds at work, and the people who are riding don't know where the trail has been laid."

 

"One of the problems is that we could be hunting a trail and suddenly a fox will get up." He said that if this happens, the dogs must be called off. "Occasionally they will get killed; suddenly a fox will jump in front of a pack of hounds."

 

He said the law does nothing for animal welfare as it allows a fox to be wounded by a gun, but with hounds a fox would be dead within two seconds.

 

Speaking about anti-hunt claims regarding aggressive action by hunters, he said: "They come along and stick videos in your face. They have sworn at my wife and been rude to my children.

"They are quite aggressive. I don't condone any violence on our side, but they do provoke people."

 

The Protesters

"I'm not going out (to follow hunts) as much anymore as I'm too scared to. It is too risky to attend a hunt event with a camera.

 

"If you don't get your camera smashed up or your face smashed up, then you are the one getting picked up for behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace."

 

These were the words of David Smailes, a Northamptonshire member of the League Against Cruel Sports, as he reflected on the fall in protest activities.

 

Clive Richardson, who has been an active hunt saboteur for more than 20 years, is a member of the East Northants anti-blood sports group and confessed the organisation had seen a downturn in numbers from 30 to 10 in the last three years.

 

He explained that hunting groups have become more sensitive over the last three years as he believes they are afraid of being caught on camera or film. Consequently, he now thinks many protesters fear the consequences of turning up at a hunt with a camera.

 

He said: "There are people who want to believe it has been enforced (and have left anti-hunt movements) but the case is that a lot of people are scared to come out and do it, because they are scared of being attacked."

 

He claims there was one time last year, outside Northamptonshire, when he was hit around the head with a stick after turning up at a hunt.

"I was standing by a road and we could see the hunting some distance

away. We saw some men walking down behind us and did not think anything of it, but then they grabbed the camera and I tried to pull this person off to save the camera. The next thing I was being hit around the head with a walking stick."

 

He believes that many hunting groups are continuing to act illegally or use loopholes in the law.

 

He said: "If I was to turn up as a country person with a pair of binoculars, I would see them hunting as if nothing had changed, but if you turn up with a yellow sign saying 'hunt monitor' they would start trying to use the loopholes in the law."

 

He continued: "It is still the law and no one should be allowed to flout the law; it is not for these people to pick and choose which laws they obey. The law has to stand for something, otherwise you could flout all of them."

 

He believes the law as it stands is not enforced well and needs to be simplified.

 

"The police don't fully understand it. Most police officers are used to talking to people about burglaries, threatening behaviour or something on a Saturday night. They are not used to this."

Mr Smailes said: "In itself the ban is fair enough but it needs to be enforced; that is what isn't happening. Why make a law without enforcing it?"

 

The Law

The Hunting Act 2004, which came into force three years ago this month, has been widely criticised by hunters and protesters alike for being confusing and unenforceable.

 

Northamptonshire Police sometimes has to field calls from members of the public who see a group of dogs rushing across a field and instantly call the police, believing it is illegal.

 

But that is not necessarily the case.

 

The law makes it an offence to hunt wild mammals with dogs and completely bans hare coursing. But there are exemptions, which include hunting rats and rabbits and flushing out a creature to be killed by a bird of prey, or to be shot. If a fox crosses the path of a pack of hounds, the dogs must be called off.

 

Police figures show in the last three years there have been two prosecutions for illegal hare coursing.

 

Northamptonshire Police countryside and wildlife officer PC Glynne Malkin said, as far as the police are aware, hunting in the county is now going on within the law.

 

Answering criticisms that the law is not being enforced, he said: "It is pretty much the same as any other crime. We have to have the evidence."

 

He said: "We are not receiving any reports. We don't go out and follow every hunt to see if they are committing an offence. They are investigated in the same way as any other crime. They are not treated differently to any other crime."

 

 

tosser got bopped on the head - love it.

 

Thats the F**ker, hes had some abuse over the years!!

[Guest smashygadge]

antis want to take up a new sport .

 

anti drugs

anti drink driving

anti bullying

anti mugging grannys

anti unsocial behavior

anti theft

anti dropping litter

anti neglected pets

anti peados

anti gangs

anti war

the list just goes on theirs alot more out their they could be doing or even go hug some trees

[Guest gaz100604]

there morons , i was walking my dog about 3 weeks ago theres a public walk way through the farmers fields i meet the farmer a lady who was rounding up some cattle got chatting she said " be careful if you go into the woods at this time of the evening theres a badger watch community down there and will get really agressive with you if they see you in the woods with your dog" to which i replied would they not be better suited in the village as a crime community watch for muggers speeders and thieving scum fecking nutters watching badgers sets.

 

hence i walked in the woods anyway loons lad absolute loons

[Guest smashygadge]

there morons , i was walking my dog about 3 weeks ago theres a public walk way through the farmers fields i meet the farmer a lady who was rounding up some cattle got chatting she said " be careful if you go into the woods at this time of the evening theres a badger watch community down there and will get really agressive with you if they see you in the woods with your dog" to which i replied would they not be better suited in the village as a crime community watch for muggers speeders and thieving scum fecking nutters watching badgers sets.

 

hence i walked in the woods anyway loons lad absolute loons

 

 

totally agree theirs alot more they could be doing in this day and age .

do they not realise what their stopping is young people going out enjoying the countryside.

instead of fighting and killing each other .

really somthing i find hard to understand .

a grown man wether anti killing an animal or not should be encouraging

youngsters into out door activitys not driving them away.

its even hit fishing you cant stand on a river bank without these people.

thats what makes a young man women grow upto be somone decent

and not live their life with nothing more in life to do than go out causing crap .

its our future children they are affecting not saving wildlife

we will be over run like fecking zoos in citys villages the way they carryon .

just no idea .morons

[Kay 3,709]

How do you define anti though ? to me theres someone who voices there opinion on any given subject & theres the like of who robbed Gladys Hammonds grave , thats just evil , no words can describe the scum who did that

[Guest smashygadge]

How do you define anti though ? to me theres someone who voices there opinion on any given subject & theres the like of who robbed Gladys Hammonds grave , thats just evil , no words can describe the scum who did that

 

 

well theirs anti hunting

and then theirs anti somthing else

but i totally agree hunting is part an parcel of english heretige

and in my mind should always be.for our country.

now when people in my village go take a shit and wipe their arse

on a bible .i see that the youth of today need help to channel their efforts and energy.

half of them dont even no where milk comes from .

so do these antis just jump on a band wagon and think its a good cause

there are a lot more out their they could be more active in

[Ginette 0]

I think these anti's should try engaging more with the countryside they claim to love so much.

Animal rights activists are all in favour of free-range farming right? Well there is nothing worse for my free-range flock than the bloody fox!

Where I live the bloody things come out at day just to claim a bird, I shit you not! We've seen it in the garden, in the afternoon and many a time it's been chased off by our JR terrier. It has no bloody fear!

Foxes need to be controlled! No hunter plans to wipe out the population, then what would he do next year? Hunting keeps the environment in balance, while new schemes are taking it out of sync.

Rabbits and deer likewise, if the populations aren't controlled, crops are ruined, cattle break legs etc.

And what townie likes seeing their rubbish spread the next morning, after an urban fox has had a rake? If these beasties aren't controlled they can be a royal menace!

[Flynn 314]

How do you define anti though ? to me theres someone who voices there opinion on any given subject & theres the like of who robbed Gladys Hammonds grave , thats just evil , no words can describe the scum who did that

 

 

Someone who is anti-hunting is some who is againts hunting. I dont mind anti's being on a hunting site if they are prepared to take part in a sensible debate regarding hunting. There used to be a good site set up specifically for that, it was called 'The Fieldsports Debate', set up and ran buy TBF.

 

 

Just out of interest Kay, which side of the fence do you sit on?

 

 

 

Regards,Sprags!!

There was also a good site ran by Janet George, ' Hounds' we had some debating on there i can Tell You. One particular Member was Fluffy Doe. Now she was an anti BUT had been a Pro, I can Live with that , as she had the experience to draw up on, and we had good debates On most subjects, she did, n, a Half take some stick tho

Mind You Janet ruled that site with an Iron Rod

[neil cooney 10,416]

what do you get if you cross an anti with an uncle...

 

 

an ankle

 

classic

LOL, the only thing an anti should be crossed with is a steamroller.

Here we are talking among ourselves about the scum that are anti's. We all know they're bad news.

How many of us use the same passion to talk to the politicians and press ? How many of us are members of the organisations that are fighting our corner? How many of us ring in to the various radio and television polls?

Don't come on here and tell me the anti's are scum, I already know that.

[will.f11 24]

last meet last season we had antis out

it pisses me off as it spoils the day and it dont actually make any difference anyhow. just ride at them as fast as you can