.222 or .223

[young1982 1]

In comparison what are they like accuracy wise jamie?

 

 

both very accurate mate 1/2 inch grouping at 100 yards if you do your bit. my mate has shot a couple of 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards with mine and i no he has shot less then 1/2 inch with his 223. so about the same really.

 

i just like the more flater shooting of the 22/250 set it a 1 1/2 inchs high at 100 yards and your pretty much flat out to 300 or there about

 

Is that using factory ammo mate?

[jamie g 17]

In comparison what are they like accuracy wise jamie?

 

 

both very accurate mate 1/2 inch grouping at 100 yards if you do your bit. my mate has shot a couple of 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards with mine and i no he has shot less then 1/2 inch with his 223. so about the same really.

 

i just like the more flater shooting of the 22/250 set it a 1 1/2 inchs high at 100 yards and your pretty much flat out to 300 or there about

 

Is that using factory ammo mate?

 

yes with factory ammo mate of course homeloads would be better or the same sort of groups because under 1/2 inch would be pretty hard to beat with factory ammo and rifle.

 

but home loads would do those groups more consistant where factory ammo wont allways do that. but around 1/2 is more then you need for foxing ! they say a rifle that groups 1 inch at 100 yards will group 2 inchs at 200 and so on...

 

so 2 inchs at 200 yards is fine for foxing. but im betting you could get a 1 inch or just over at 200 yards with homeloads.

 

the trigger has alot to do with it to have it set nicely and your away. the choice is yours realoly mate 222,223,22/50 are all cracking fox rifles.

 

if your going to use factory ammo for abit then the 223 is the one to pick. there cheaper the 22/250 ammo but im pretty luck as my rifle shoots all the 22/250 ammo ive had well. sako 50g softpoints, federal 55g softpoints.

 

winchester 50g bt ammo shoots fast and flat but i havent really tryed it out properly for grouping yet as im waiting on a better scope and the fitment of a jewell trigger so once thats done i will let you no.

 

the best bit is the cheap privi ammo has had the best groups in mine so far and there only £8 for 20

 

if you want a 22/250 then i would look at the savage there pretty cheap but there accuracy out the box is stunning.

there is a lad on the bbs that lives in your part of the world he just got one secondhand off a different member on there

 

and that rifle is super accurate he was getting 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch groups with the cheap factory privi ammo ! and it took him a fair amount of time to come up with a homeload that could do it. he has shot lots of foxes with it and is best shot was 386 yards in the day ! not bad for a factory rifle !

Edited September 21, 2008 by jamie g

[Jonty 0]

If you are thinking of a .204 Ruger and reloading it, please remember the powder in the factory rounds is not commercially available yet, so you will have problems duplicating velocities.

[young1982 1]

Well the FAO came round today so fingers crossed that I get the .223 that I asked for, he also said to leave it with him with regards to getting a open ticket for the .22 & .17HMR

[Deker 3,478]

Well the FAO came round today so fingers crossed that I get the .223 that I asked for, he also said to leave it with him with regards to getting a open ticket for the .22 & .17HMR

 

 

All the best, if you have good reason and the right land etc there should not be a problem...hopefully the WHOLE ticket will be Open, don't actually know anyone who has an Open ticket just for rimfire...it is Open or not in my experience!

 

And the Open bit is such a relief...one of those days you remember when it happens, until you get old like me!

[young1982 1]

Well the FAO came round today so fingers crossed that I get the .223 that I asked for, he also said to leave it with him with regards to getting a open ticket for the .22 & .17HMR

 

 

All the best, if you have good reason and the right land etc there should not be a problem...hopefully the WHOLE ticket will be Open, don't actually know anyone who has an Open ticket just for rimfire...it is Open or not in my experience!

 

And the Open bit is such a relief...one of those days you remember when it happens, until you get old like me!

 

If thats the case bonus

[rob reynolds uk 3]

i used the 223 for five yrs good round but no where near as nice to shoot as the .204 or .20 to them that know ..223 is crap ,yeah crap dare i say it for fox shooting yes you will leave big holes in foxs useing the .223 .but foxs come out at night most of the time and you dont get a lot of time to start dailing in the drop so you need a fast flat flying round out to 300 yrds 4".7 drop useing factory rounds so thats 4225fps out of a 26" barrel .so if you see a fox out a fair way you could just aim at the spine letting the bullet drop in to the fox to kill it out to 325yrds and you will hit it .they dont run and the bullet dont come out most of the time makeing it a very safe round ,im homeloading my .204 useing ruger 204 cases £23.50 pr 100 ..it cost me about £23 pr 100 to make and there kicking out 3800fps and there grouping very well indeed ..no matter what you buy or use get a moderator fitted it will help on the kick and flip , dont forget to buy a nice scope to sit on top ,spend as much on your scope as you have on your rifle 22-250 or the 220 swift are very good foxing rifles ..

[Tikka T3 0]

well if i was you stick with the .223 or 22.250 both cracking rounds .i had a 204 glad to see the back of it

very unpredictable .not consistant and limited on components for reloading.

 

223 good choice and plenty of ammo you made the right move

 

 

t3

[young1982 1]

well if i was you stick with the .223 or 22.250 both cracking rounds .i had a 204 glad to see the back of it

very unpredictable .not consistant and limited on components for reloading.

 

223 good choice and plenty of ammo you made the right move

 

 

t3

 

Cheers mush

I've started looking into getting a T3 (Tactical if I can) how do you rate them?

ATB

young1982

[rob reynolds uk 3]

well if i was you stick with the .223 or 22.250 both cracking rounds .i had a 204 glad to see the back of it

very unpredictable .not consistant and limited on components for reloading.

 

223 good choice and plenty of ammo you made the right move

 

 

t3

 

 

sounds to me you were homeloading and did not find that perfect round for you rifle or you were useing shitty rounds that did not suit your rifle which one was it ...what rifle did you have ???

[Deker 3,478]

well if i was you stick with the .223 or 22.250 both cracking rounds .i had a 204 glad to see the back of it

very unpredictable .not consistant and limited on components for reloading.

 

223 good choice and plenty of ammo you made the right move

 

 

t3

 

 

sounds to me you were homeloading and did not find that perfect round for you rifle or you were useing shitty rounds that did not suit your rifle which one was it ...what rifle did you have ???

 

 

Rob...sounds to me like you don't like the .223!!! The .204 may well be faster but it has it's problems...to describe the .223 as crap is more than a bit over the top!!!

[Mr_Logic 5]

Rob, 223 = crap, I don't think so.

 

204 Ruger is flatter than the 223 for sure, and it's less wind affected to boot. Which makes it a good varmint round. But, you still don't find it everywhere, and you do 223. 40gr 223 ammunition is very flat too, not as good as the 204 but not bad at all.

 

In terms of aiming off, mildot reticle - that's what they're there for. And also, how many foxes do you shoot on the lamp at ranges > 250 yards? I nailed a 244 yard fox this evening, my longest, and it's pretty rare that they're over 200 yards. I've had 2 over that range, tonight and a 230 yard one. (done with a 243 58gr tip, also very flat shooting, and much harder hitting)

 

Ultimately you pays your money and you makes your choice, but after farting about trying to get Hornet ammo, I'll take ammo availability over potentially better field performance - if I have ammo, I can at least shoot AT the fox, empty chambers don't control vermin!

[rob reynolds uk 3]

i think the .223 is a good starting out rifle ,plenty of cheep ammo to play with but you only need the one type ,so once you have found what suits your rifle stick with it and stock up on it ,i load my own its not hard once you know how, in fact i like doing it .im turning in to a geek you will be paying £23.00 a box for the .204 factory ammo but lets break that down ..£1.15 pr shot not bad for saying you have just shoot a fox with it and its not like im going to be useing more than five pounds worth in a night and if i did i would be having one hell of a night so it would be worth the fiver ..if i had to own a rifle other than the one i have it would be a 22-250 .220 swift or the .243 if it was for foxs but alass the .220 swift they dont like to give you ,and the .243 means your land will have to be passed all over again as most land will be passed for up to .223 so its best to wait till you have that open ticket before you get one of them .243 .no matter what you buy shoot it and enjoy it and get the most out of it dont let it sit in that safe ,get to know the rifle and what it can do ,learn to see how far it shoots before it starts to drop off ,practice makes perfect .so practice as much as one can.

[Mr_Logic 5]

Certainly right on the practice front!