Escort Magnum 12g

[Fieldsports 155]

Time has passed......

 

............to cut a long story short, I have been contacted by several different owners who have suffered catastrohic and potentially lethal problems with this model, the 2 REPLACEMENTS I have recieved have been unsatisfactory (I'm being polite) and the shotgun is now returned and a FULL refund recieved!

 

I can only speak as I find about this shotgun and have done my best to give it every opportunity to prove itself!!

 

It has failed miserably and I can but suggest it is sub standard and should not be on sale ANYWHERE, how it got through Birmingham proof house is beyond me!!

 

Someone WILL die with one of these in their hands!!!

 

I have to agree with Deker on this one.

These guns are total crap, I fell for it as well and bought one new.

within 2 weeks it was back to the dealers.

Mind you they had me for a good few quid because I returned it,

But DeKer has made a good point here when he said "how it got through Birmingham proof house is beyond me" !

Cheers

[hunter1 63]

Get the best beretta xtrema syn 3 1/2 /3o brl . you never look back lads .Thats what i use.

[Fieldsports 155]

Get the best beretta xtrema syn 3 1/2 /3o brl . you never look back lads .Thats what i use.

 

 

I will be honest. ( Please do not think I bought this gun been a cheap skate )

But after the escort nightmare I went for the baikal mp-153

I have bought the baikal mp-153 on reliability, reports and overall been a BAIKAL.

Here is some loon putting one to test Look at this, its a bit extreme

They fire 3 1/2 inch stuff and even cycle down to 28g ( well I have never ever had a jam with mine.

You get a key to adjust light to heavy shot ( I have never needed to move this setting ).

Its the dogs bollocks and well worth the dosh.

Say what you want about all the flash makes, the baikal is a tool that works and works and works...........

No sh1tty rubber seals in this model to replace unlike the escort.

PS: I use this for wildfowling, and pigeon days when they are coming in thick and fast.

But my O/U and S/S does for rabbits over the spaniels.

 

Cheers

Edited November 28, 2008 by Fieldsports

[Deker 3,478]

Get the best beretta xtrema syn 3 1/2 /3o brl . you never look back lads .Thats what i use.

 

 

Currently in the Cabinet their sits a ..

Beretta..

391 Gold Game

Silver Pigeon3 Game

686 Sporting Special

and the 303 which my boy loved was recently sold!!!

 

My lad is used to all these, but Dad bought him something for himself, was looking for a sensibly priced "starter" gun to get him on the road!!

£1000+++++ Beretta will always stack up better than £299 Turkish, but you still have every right to expect the Turkish to work and be safe!!!

[jasper65 6]

Just out of Interest can't this happen to any gun if you're useing Tight chokes like FULL and heavy loads such as BB's or SG's?

 

I was on a Hare shoot a good few years ago in Bircham Norfolk useing 4's and was advised then to open up the chokes! I ended up useing Improved and Cylinder although I still think the 1/4 and 1/2 I normaly use would have coped with it fine ....

 

Jasper

[SportingShooter 0]

Just out of Interest can't this happen to any gun if you're useing Tight chokes like FULL and heavy loads such as BB's or SG's?

 

I was on a Hare shoot a good few years ago in Bircham Norfolk useing 4's and was advised then to open up the chokes! I ended up useing Improved and Cylinder although I still think the 1/4 and 1/2 I normaly use would have coped with it fine ....

 

Jasper

In a word Jasp, No.

 

A gun is proved for a maximum load and chamber length. A cartridge that is vastly overloaded (normally two and a half times the Service Pressure) is fired through each barrel twice. If it survives this ordeal. The Gun is deemed in proof for all cartridges that match the chamber length and Service Pressure/Load.

 

As long as you don't go over the pressure it was proved for, nor the chamber length, the gun should take any cartridge, with any shot size and any choke. That is if you are using Lead.

 

SG's are a massive pellet (9 in a 36gr load! ) but totally useless! I've fired a few through Full choke. No Probs.

 

For a modern 12 bore, chambered in 2 3/4". You will normally be able to shoot 1 1/2(42gr) ounce loads as a maximum service cartridge.

 

After the Proof cartridges have been fired in the proof house, the proof master will look at the gun for any bulges or cracks, so I can only assume that these Escorts are being inspected as sound, and then the metal deteriorating whilst it is being fired in the field.

 

Hope this helps.

 

SS

[tom1cameron 1]

Deker

 

Demand from Edgar bros. a report directly from Roher Hancox at the BPH about his opinions on what the errors were.

You get what you pay for.

 

However, a problem with short coked guns like the escort can actually be down to the user and the design combined.

 

If there is a lot of air space between the threads of the choke and the threads for the choke on the barrel, any load fired through a loose choke can send air in behind the choke. This allows the choke to deform and continuous firing then results in a very dangerous situation. It is not an uncommon problem and is more likely in "guns that cut corners on finishing". The longer optima choke system of the berettas in some way reduces the liklihood of this happening.

 

It "could" have been what has happened here.

 

Like others I have had no experience of problems with the Escort, my buddy shoots one (regualrly with 3" 39gm steel 1's ).

 

T

PS Gun proof is chamber pressure, measured within the cartridge and also just beyond the chamber. The barrels are then checked for damage. If the chokes were tight at proof then they would not have picked up a problem. That is why I think it could have been a choke problem!

[Deker 3,478]

Deker

 

Demand from Edgar bros. a report directly from Roher Hancox at the BPH about his opinions on what the errors were.

You get what you pay for.

 

However, a problem with short coked guns like the escort can actually be down to the user and the design combined.

 

If there is a lot of air space between the threads of the choke and the threads for the choke on the barrel, any load fired through a loose choke can send air in behind the choke. This allows the choke to deform and continuous firing then results in a very dangerous situation. It is not an uncommon problem and is more likely in "guns that cut corners on finishing". The longer optima choke system of the berettas in some way reduces the liklihood of this happening.

 

It "could" have been what has happened here.

 

Like others I have had no experience of problems with the Escort, my buddy shoots one (regualrly with 3" 39gm steel 1's ).

 

T

PS Gun proof is chamber pressure, measured within the cartridge and also just beyond the chamber. The barrels are then checked for damage. If the chokes were tight at proof then they would not have picked up a problem. That is why I think it could have been a choke problem!

 

I have asked for a report on the massive failure of the original barrel/chokes from Edgar Bros and they have declined to supply information, for what I can only suspect to be commercial reasons!!

 

The reason for the failure is simple, and as you state "guns that cut corners on finishing"..the quality control and tolerances of manufacture on this gun are appaling...I have been using multi choke shotguns for a very long time and I am well aware the choke "can" become lose and the importance of keeping it tight. The Escort choke was properly fitted, appropriate size (1/2 with a medium lead load) and it was down to quality of materials used and manufacturing tolerance.

 

This gun is cheap tat and should not be on sale ANYWHERE in the world.

 

I repeat, and I am not trying to be melodramatic...this gun WILL KILL someone if it is not withdrawn or improved!!

[coldweld 65]

Hi Decker

 

your pm box is full !

[Deker 3,478]

Hi Decker

 

your pm box is full !

 

Space Now!!!

[gogogadget 1]

Just had the same thing happen to me and gun on its way back to Edgar Bros as we speak....Not to sure what to do now..They are going to send me a new gun but not keen on this happening again...seen pictures of what can happen and like all my fingers as they are...

 

Help please as new member and still cant believe this has happened more than once ......

I HAVE THE 28" 3 1/2MAGNUM, HAD IT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND NO PROBLEMS BUT PROBABLY ONLY SHOT 500 SHELLS THROUGH IT, WAS YOURS A BRAND NEW GUN ASWELL?

[Fieldsports 155]

lets Just face it.

Deker is right, these guns are a right piece of sh1t.

And we bought them thinking they were cheap and that we were getting a bargain !

BUT we are wrong ! We bought Turkish crap. Made to the crappiest standard and safety was the second thought.

I would rather buy a bath toaster "as seen on TV", well it will be just as safe.

 

If you have one get rid of it now ! If you have just bought one take it back !

If you have a old one then you do not shoot much do you !

 

Listen to Deker on this one.

[shottyscotty 3]

my friends got an escort and hes says hes fired around 5000 cartridges through it and never had any trouble and he never cleans it . I have just bought one for wildfowling with the 30" barrel and have only fired about 50 cartridges and it keeps misfiring so i took t back and the keep saying it works fine when it dosnt. i was out today with it and i was waiting for the geese for 3 hours went to fire and nothing happened so i cocked it and by this point the geese were well gone. so then i decided to go to the edge of the bay where the pigeons flight across and it fired perfect and managed to hit 6. then later on i was on my way back and saw a rook picking a old rabbit carcas so went to fire at it and nothing so im putting the gun back in again for the fourth time and i might just get my money back.

Edited December 6, 2008 by shottyscotty