fake bull crosses

[hagar 5]

a bull x is a bull cross whatever the makeup of the bull, now their is the ampbt now that would be a bullx. but i wasnt in the game early enough to get mine bred .thats my reason for asking regards different types. and whats put in to the bullx of any type .a bull is a bull whatever the breeding .its upto the guy who owns it to wether or not he feels he can reveal its true breeding

 

now if you can tell me the true makeup id like your input cheers

 

no totally different dogs :

 

staff

ampbt

amstaff

mastiff

etc...

 

all different dogs

Staffords ,pits and am staffs all come from same bloodline, pits are from staffords imported well over a 100 years back, am staffs are bred from pits and some are regd as both , though there are distinct variation in the 3 breeds now due to selective breeding, though some can be easily mistaken for each other

[Guest smashygadge]

ok let me put this to you .

 

when you see a swastika what do you see? a symbol of peace (that is what it is afterall) or do you see it as it's first association ( a nazi symbol) , 99% will see it as a nazi symbol .

 

the first association of a bullx is ... well you guessed it .... a proper one

 

yes they may have used staff or ebt but why didnt they see the test of time ? because something better came along , something that hasnt been tampered with by the KC , something that was born to do the job correctly .

now im not knocking any of the bull 'type' breeds i just think we should name them as what they are .

 

 

well im with you bigredbusa i feel the same ,but as i say havent been in the game of cross bred lurchers too long but when its put like that it makes good sence now where can i find one lol no good topic its saves me asking to look at all the others to work out what the peoples choice is

[Stabs 3]

interresting this one hard to find the real mccoy now some lads still keeping thier own lines going as for a staffx they dont realy add to well to the mix because of their smaller size and shape can make a good cross to a whippet for smaller work if you can find any still working as for staff to greyhound this was done at start of 20th century to give more drive to the greyhound and every racing greyhound has that in their blood ie one of the promentant colours in greyhounds is brindle but when this was dolne the staff of the day was a different animal to todays dogs as for the name bullx only being used for a certain type of bullx i totaly agree one reason being if you advertise a bullx people know what you mean and you are not leaving yourself open to strife a staffx should say that and a masstiffx should say that every one will know what you mean

Lord Orford put the bull into the greyhounds ,but it wan't Staffie he used it was English Bull terrier.

 

No mate, it was bulldogs that Orford used. English Bull Terriers didn't even exist when he made the crosses.

 

I know a very well respected terrierman and he ratesa particular staff x as the best terrierman's lurcher he's ever seen.

[Guest Top Chalker]

i think you have to look at what you are breeding the dog for , if you want a bull x it isnt for bunnys , its for bigger game !

The staff , english , mastiff are show dogs now , its been a very long time since they were working dogs , the apbt is a working dog still to this day ...

 

Why would any one use a SHOW bred dog in the make up of a working x bred dog ????

 

U wouldnt use a Cairn terrier on your fell typ terrier would you , so why use a ebt, staffy etc. etc

 

Its the real deal you want the APBT .....................

[hagar 5]

i think you have to look at what you are breeding the dog for , if you want a bull x it isnt for bunnys , its for bigger game !

The staff , english , mastiff are show dogs now , its been a very long time since they were working dogs , the apbt is a working dog still to this day ...

 

Why would any one use a SHOW bred dog in the make up of a working x bred dog ????

 

U wouldnt use a Cairn terrier on your fell typ terrier would you , so why use a ebt, staffy etc. etc

 

Its the real deal you want the APBT .....................

Good point though some irish staffords are as good as pits imo

[Guest ITALLION STALLION]

english and staffs are not in the same league as their american cousin .saying that , there are still a few decent staffs about if you know where to look. just because its an american doesn't say its good as there are still rubbish in them . its all down to percentages and the americans are well ahead of the rest

Edited September 15, 2008 by ITALLION STALLION

[hagar 5]

english and staffs are not in the same league as their american cousin .saying that , there are still a few decent staffs about if you know where to look. just because its an american doesn't say its good as there are still rubbish in them . its all down to percentages and the americans are well ahead of the rest

Spot on mate thats it in a nutshell

[inan 841]

interresting this one hard to find the real mccoy now some lads still keeping thier own lines going as for a staffx they dont realy add to well to the mix because of their smaller size and shape can make a good cross to a whippet for smaller work if you can find any still working as for staff to greyhound this was done at start of 20th century to give more drive to the greyhound and every racing greyhound has that in their blood ie one of the promentant colours in greyhounds is brindle but when this was dolne the staff of the day was a different animal to todays dogs as for the name bullx only being used for a certain type of bullx i totaly agree one reason being if you advertise a bullx people know what you mean and you are not leaving yourself open to strife a staffx should say that and a masstiffx should say that every one will know what you mean

Lord Orford put the bull into the greyhounds ,but it wan't Staffie he used it was English Bull terrier.

 

No mate, it was bulldogs that Orford used. English Bull Terriers didn't even exist when he made the crosses.

 

I know a very well respected terrierman and he ratesa particular staff x as the best terrierman's lurcher he's ever seen.

You are quite correct ,I meant to say Bulldog,had a senior moment,Orford's famous bitch Czarina unbeaten in over 40 courses carried bull dog blood in her.Thi is believed to be why some sogs had the slightly protuding eyes and predominantly white colour, my apologies for my mistake.

[brock1 2]

apbt is the best cross in my apinion. but hard to come by these days. so the isbt is the next best thing as it has a bit of the apbt in its make up. but that to is getting hard to come by but if you look you will find both with a bit of patience.but both produce good bullx lurchers .

[Guest smashygadge]

itsall a case of knowing people and if you were really into it youd know the people.

 

 

well some people like to keep their selves to thier selves mate .just because you dont have vast amount of folk around you dosnt mean your not in the no.i lived in a little part of the country when i was younger never once got introduced to the game ,even tho half the village were into hunting .then moved to the city a really good guy took me along and ive never looked back .so just because you no people dosnt make it any easier these days to gain knowledge

[Guest smashygadge]

i didnt mean knowledge, i meant to get hold of dogs. like you said people keep themselves to themselves so if you know the people you can get 1.

 

 

thats why i said i was only joking to bigredbusa .if you havent noticed ive been looking for a conversation about bulls for over a week trying to find out whats needed ive found the awnswer.

and now i no who to speek to and where to go thankyou

[brock1 2]

the trick is to get the trust of people first then let them know you are interested as they wont let just any one no there business. then just wait for them to approach you. if they dont they dont trust you but you have not lost nowt.

[Guest bitsa lurcher]

im not disputing they are not bull bred but they do not deserve to try and steal the name and thunder from a proper bullx , 20 years + ago these dogs where bred and now if you are lucky enough to be offered one they would be so many generations they have now become a breed of there own.

 

come on these guys have put many many years into the breeding of the BULLX/BULLCROSS and now years on people are breeding from the next door neighbours fat staff and try to pass them off as the real mc'coy .

 

the new breed of dog probably does what the owners want and they are very pleased with them and good luck to them .

 

pick up an early copy of earth dog and in the back at stud would only be PROPER dogs and no mention of anythingelse , so my first association along with others a bullx has a certain make up .

 

collie x

deerhound x

staff x

ebt x

mastiff x

bull x

 

see where im coming from yet

i can see where you are coming from big red busa , but you have got an uphill struggle to try and explain to the majority on here because half of the staffy , ebt , mastiff whatever owners have a litter on the ground or one planned for £££££

[Little Butch 16]

I can see where people are coming from saying 'Why would you want to use a fat pet Staffy?'

But as somebody said there Is still Game Staffs about....So surely these crossed with a good Greyhound would be the REAL DEAL?

Butch

[Guest bitsa lurcher]

I can see where people are coming from saying 'Why would you want to use a fat pet Staffy?'

But as somebody said there Is still Game Staffs about....So surely these crossed with a good Greyhound would be the REAL DEAL?

Butch

 

yes to the point that it's a staffy x