Dogo cross lurcher

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

Rolly, I didnt mean nothin towards you on the thread, bro. I just dont like the whole Dogo thing at all.

 

Nick, the only dogs that I have ever seen that were good catch dogs were bulldogs. All other breeds seem to catch and recatch and have to adjust and shake and try to tear and all kinds of bullshit that gets dogs killed. A good bulldog catches hard and stays caught like a catch dog should in my opinion.

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They seem quite robust if nothing else.

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Dan, no harm bud. Seems different strokes for different folks. I'm not for or against this at all. Man...I should be in politics huh? LOL

[inan 841]

I have seen a bunch of dogos and none of them even compared to the athletic ability of a good game bred bulldog. Not even in the same ballpark. Personally, I think them dogo are a joke as far as a catch dog goes. As far as breeding them to a greyhound though and wanting to kill shit, that would work for sure but I still dont think they would have the foots speed of a greyhoundxbulldog cross. They seem to be more of a novalty than a workin dog.

Mate thats because loads of Dogo are already for long not bred anymore as a huntingdog. The original working dogo is no Catch dog but a hunting dog using his own nose and working without crosses to track the Wild Boar or Puma. They hunt in packs, and walk sometimes for more than 12 to 14 hours beside the horse in Cordoba. The show breeders on the other hand are said to have crossed their dogs with Great Dane, to get them bigger! Is much better selling

If you say that most Dogo's are worth shit you are right, but there are breeders who still keep them going as they should be. A few months ago the FCI made it possible to enter a working class in Argentina with your Dogo, only tested dogs can enter that class!

 

The one on the left is a bitch named Agustina de la Cocha, and the dog on the right is Morocho de la Cocha. These dogs are hunting on Wild boar and Puma. Sometimes those Wild Boar are 250 kg plus! The breeder of these dogs has much more dogs like this, he is selecting the old way. These dogs are fully hunting, and do not back up for anything. But they are generally not dog agressive, specially not the ones who do the creole hunting in Argentina, as they have to hunt in packs.

We are lucky to get that left bitch end of this month

 

This picture was made in Argentina, left Agustina de la Cocha, right Morocho de la Cocha

 

Morocho de la Cocha

 

I know nothing about these dogs ,but what I have seen on you tube,but it would seem to me they might be a useful addition to use with a greyhound ,if your quarry was Fox and Deer.The little clips I have seen seem to show them as fairly athletic and not over slow,I will be interested on any more info that come to light via this thread.

[Nick 14]

I have seen a bunch of dogos and none of them even compared to the athletic ability of a good game bred bulldog. Not even in the same ballpark. Personally, I think them dogo are a joke as far as a catch dog goes. As far as breeding them to a greyhound though and wanting to kill shit, that would work for sure but I still dont think they would have the foots speed of a greyhoundxbulldog cross. They seem to be more of a novalty than a workin dog.

Mate thats because loads of Dogo are already for long not bred anymore as a huntingdog. The original working dogo is no Catch dog but a hunting dog using his own nose and working without crosses to track the Wild Boar or Puma. They hunt in packs, and walk sometimes for more than 12 to 14 hours beside the horse in Cordoba. The show breeders on the other hand are said to have crossed their dogs with Great Dane, to get them bigger! Is much better selling

If you say that most Dogo's are worth shit you are right, but there are breeders who still keep them going as they should be. A few months ago the FCI made it possible to enter a working class in Argentina with your Dogo, only tested dogs can enter that class!

 

The one on the left is a bitch named Agustina de la Cocha, and the dog on the right is Morocho de la Cocha. These dogs are hunting on Wild boar and Puma. Sometimes those Wild Boar are 250 kg plus! The breeder of these dogs has much more dogs like this, he is selecting the old way. These dogs are fully hunting, and do not back up for anything. But they are generally not dog agressive, specially not the ones who do the creole hunting in Argentina, as they have to hunt in packs.

We are lucky to get that left bitch end of this month

 

This picture was made in Argentina, left Agustina de la Cocha, right Morocho de la Cocha

 

Morocho de la Cocha

 

I know nothing about these dogs ,but what I have seen on you tube,but it would seem to me they might be a useful addition to use with a greyhound ,if your quarry was Fox and Deer.The little clips I have seen seem to show them as fairly athletic and not over slow,I will be interested on any more info that come to light via this thread.

You can compare the show Dogo in generall compared to the true working bred Dogo as The Pitbull standing to the Amstaff. Most of the times a complete different ballgame.

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Dan & Nick

iv'e hunted behind two dogos bred by Marcello (the gentleman in the pic) one of them at a year old and on his first hunt was the second scariest (in a good way, scared for the pig) catchdog i've ever seen. (the first was a presa canario named Oso, RIP.) the other was a rock solid catchdog who's pic has been posted here by me.

i've also hunted behind a few from Los Cazadores kennel in TX. Marcello's dogos are dual purpose (feild & show) and rigorously culled by both him & the boars. Mike's (the owner of Los Cazadores) dogos are pure field type and run about 5-10# lighter than Marcellos but give up nothing in the woods all were rock solid catchdogs. that is just my limited experience.

i've seen more crappy pit catchdogs than anything but that's because i've seen more pits as catchdogs than anything.

 

Lurcher4

pits were NEVER bred to herd cattle. that's a lie made up by people trying to make them more socially acceptable. the fallacy is proven by comparing them to the most effective cattle dogs and their is a dramatic difference between pits and curs AND an even bigger difference between pits and heelers.

[Nick 14]

iv'e hunted behind two dogos bred by Marcello (the gentleman in the pic) one of them at a year old and on his first hunt was the second scariest (in a good way, scared for the pig) catchdog i've ever seen.

I do not know exactly what you mean, but in a good way is seen as in a bad way I guess

 

But if you have seen one bad Pitdog from a breeder or maybe even two, does this say everything about all the breedings of this breeder?

 

By the way the Dogo's on the picture are not Marcelo's, they are from La Cocha.

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So.....anybody seen or heard of a dogo lurcher?

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I think the Dogo is a decent dog just like any orther working dog regardless of the job they all perform in there own way but I dont think as a catch dog they can be compared to the American Bulldog to name a few HOG HAMMER AND JJ owned by WHITENIGHT KENNELS or JOSHUA'S OLD SOUTHRN WHITE who is also good at herding cattle and are very clever dogs and awsome catch dogs that hold there pray and dont destroy it! plus any dog over 95 pounds will not be able to manouver well and stay out of trouble with violent Hogs that will put up a fight and are tough as feck

 

It was mentioned that the doga has to be culled very hard and that to me says alot about the breed, I mean thats fine to some one with a farm and 10 dogs but what about me or you who put's 12months in to a dog that quits and its back to the drawing board if that was the case with lurchers we would all be missing seasons and very frustrated with the breed we would leave it alone, so my point is they carnt be that good at or they would produce a lot more good dogs and be alot more popular in the USA.

 

 

And about the Pits being poor catch dogs then that dosent surprise me one bit althow I have seen some good ones it's going to be hard getting 200 years that is traceable of pure combat,agility gameness and a eagerness to finish the job out of them my point they were not bred to hold!

 

The Lurcher am sure would have the same 200 plus History behind him and I no the American Bull Dog has at least a 100 years of catch History behind him Now ime not to familier with he Dogo but I will be surprized if you can trace them back more than 30 years as catch dogs and if its any more you would exspect that to come from wright ups from proven dog men and wrightings on the breed and the work of the breed from Argintine History.

 

Sorry to ramble on but the point off all of that is this if your crossing with Bulls as in Pits or good catch dogs like the American Bulldogs from I would say Scott Old Southern White and Hines Lines then you are crossing tried and tested blood thats run the mill for decades and the Bull crosses of the past, if they wearnt crossed with Game bred dogs and your happy with there ability then imagin what is possible if those Lurchers were crossed with proven Pit stock which is very clever,stable,agile and most of all Game ! Or Proper American Bulldogs ( Catch Dogs ) from Catch Stock !

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Lurcher4

i could write in a book they were created to point turkeys and herd elephants and it wouldn't be true. the american pit bull terrier and the american staffordshire terrier originate from a blending of ALL the different lines or types of bull & terrier that were created in britain and ireland (where most americans came from until the late 1800s). the british & irish bull & terriers were invented for the fighting pits.

this cattle herding nonsense is a lie perpetrated by the show fancy just like most of their breed histories, almost all of which can be proven false. for instance the AKC likes to claim the AMstaff was originally registered as staffordshire terrier but i have a nice 1936 dog encyclopedia edited by the editor for Dog World magazine that proves this false. at the time the UKC started up for the sole purpose of registering the APBT (because the AKC didn't want to be associated w/ dogfighting) the name was chosen to differentiate it from the english bull terrier which had already diverged into both a pit type and a show type (primarily hinks dogs).

i don't doubt that you TAUGHT a pit to herd because the determination needed to win is generally strongly associated w/ higher intelligence (this is true of men and beasts). i do doubt it was gamebred, as has already been stated that would mean both parents had been proven in the box. proven doesn't mean they had & won one fight it means they had & won many fights. I know this from working on a dogman's yard in TX as a kid at a time when dog fighting was NOT illegal in about half the states in the USA. I also happen to be well aquainted w/ a gentleman who as a kid worked on Muarice Carver's yard. so lurcher4, go find some british dogmen, shut your yap, open your ears and learn something.

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Nick

Marcello's kennel is de calfucara and they had a special association w/ la cocha for a few years. when i say scary i mean it was frightening to watch. this dogo on his very first hog hit so hard the 200# + barr came off it's feet. every hog he hit that weekend was the same way. the other dogo that weekend was the second from Marcello that the guy had owned and both were (according to multiple witnesses) excellent hard catchdogs. they aren't magic or anything, they're still just dogs, some bad, some good and a few extraordinary. because of numbers alone and the volume of crappy nonworking breeders, i could fill three holes w/ worthless dogs the biggest would be filled w/ pits (especially the so called giant ones), the next would be american bulldogs, and the last dogos. again thats because so much crap is being churned out by guys & girls that don't know squat about a working dog and would wet their panties at the thought of their dogs taking on dangerous game. for every dogo whelped in the USA there are 5-10 american bulldogs and 30 or more pits. but just like anything else you go to a breeder that breeds for performance and you get dogs that perform. Marcello's dogos perform. and so do the ones in the pics. and so do the dogos from Los cazadores and so do the ones from M Garrett in louisiana. because all are bred to perform. the only real difference between a good pit, a good AB and a good dogo is size. anyone who tells you different is breed blind or ignorant.

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the dogo has almost 30 years of hog catching in the USA, beginning w/ the Rankin family in the 80s. and around years in argentina. it started off similar to the Australian crossbred pigdogs. i know a lot of dogo fans try to paint it's creation as calculated genius, but i am pretty sure the founders started off the same as the Ozzies. they found a cross that worked and slowly added new breeds and crosses to the line to improve individual traits. but again it's just a dog. breed well from good workers and you'll get good workers, breed crappy unproven stock and you'll get crappy nonworking dogs.

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L8

the dogo has almost 30 years of hog catching in the USA, beginning w/ the Rankin family in the 80s. and around years in argentina. it started off similar to the Australian crossbred pigdogs. i know a lot of dogo fans try to paint it's creation as calculated genius, but i am pretty sure the founders started off the same as the Ozzies. they found a cross that worked and slowly added new breeds and crosses to the line to improve individual traits. but again it's just a dog. breed well from good workers and you'll get good workers, breed crappy unproven stock and you'll get crappy nonworking dogs.

 

 

True and Like you said go to the performance breeder and its performance you shoulg get,when you said about filling three holes my order would be the same only if they were all from performance kennels it would be the Pit as the top bull dog then the Abull as the catch dog then the Dogo, you said game bred means a dog thats won many fights ? No mate its a dog thats bred down from Game parents and grandparents and so on a dog whos lineage is proven pit dogs but as we all no a good dog is were you find IT!

thanks for your imput

[Nick 14]

Nick

Marcello's kennel is de calfucara and they had a special association w/ la cocha for a few years. when i say scary i mean it was frightening to watch. this dogo on his very first hog hit so hard the 200# + barr came off it's feet. every hog he hit that weekend was the same way. the other dogo that weekend was the second from Marcello that the guy had owned and both were (according to multiple witnesses) excellent hard catchdogs. they aren't magic or anything, they're still just dogs, some bad, some good and a few extraordinary. because of numbers alone and the volume of crappy nonworking breeders, i could fill three holes w/ worthless dogs the biggest would be filled w/ pits (especially the so called giant ones), the next would be american bulldogs, and the last dogos. again thats because so much crap is being churned out by guys & girls that don't know squat about a working dog and would wet their panties at the thought of their dogs taking on dangerous game. for every dogo whelped in the USA there are 5-10 american bulldogs and 30 or more pits. but just like anything else you go to a breeder that breeds for performance and you get dogs that perform. Marcello's dogos perform. and so do the ones in the pics. and so do the dogos from Los cazadores and so do the ones from M Garrett in louisiana. because all are bred to perform. the only real difference between a good pit, a good AB and a good dogo is size. anyone who tells you different is breed blind or ignorant.

About the working together from both kennels I knew, as we have a young Calfucura dog and two La Cocha dogs comming up. But still they have their own breedings.

 

About my other reply, I misunderstood you. I thought you where saying all Dogo's where no good(thats what you get when English is not your native language). But have to agree with you, and can add that it goes for 99% of all dogbreeds, most of them are worthless as a working dog these days because of breeding only to pretty dogs and disregard the not so pretty but real working specimens.

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for pit dogs in the states to be true gamebred it means, AT A MINIMUM, BOTH parents are proven in the box. (yes multiple generations is the norm but if all the grand parents & great grands are proven and the parents aren't it's no longer gamebred until it proves itself). one match doesn't prove anything, it takes consistant performance to prove gamebreeding.

i personally hold the opinion they can show and prove gameness on legal quarry, provided the quarry is sufficiently demanding of their courage, fighting ability and endurance. but most oldtime dogmen would (and in fact a few have) disagree with this opinion.