Large vs. Small size

[Guest blackntan]

Any dogs can catch coon

POSSUM/ROLLY, you will find a lot of people in this country are blind to other countrys ways and opions, thinking that the working terrier started in the uk and eire, so are a bit lets say snobish, we have different qarry exept for fox and the euroupean you have ground hog, redfox, greyfox, coon , possum, wild pigs to big for terrier but ive seen how you hunt them , bear, and cougar, using plot, walker, bluetick , etc, i know people over there who use teckels, dashunds, tiny russells and , mr mason uses black fells for his barn work , there is a fine tradition of working terriers is the USA , i prefare a big terrier black, and blackntan fells but have friends who have smaller lines, horses for courses all depends were you dig , in lake district the lads prefare a smaller fell type , its all down to personal choise , iam going to north carolina in november to hunt so will learn a bit more about your ways, all the best to all the terrier lads in the states, ALLWAYS REMEMBER YOUR TERRIERS Edited September 13, 2008 by blackntan

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Rolly

i came here to learn and after reading i am thinking a nice white type of terrier that can be called out would be good for flushing fox to my salukiXgrey. as for coon he already does a good job of knocking them off.

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blackntan

where in North Carolina will you be? the Marines have me down on the coast. i get home from Iraq at the end of Oct. will you be doing any terrier work while here? i'd like to see some.

[shinyspade 2]

discribe small. i sent what i considered a small dog to south caralina (spelling) she was 12 and a half inch and at a guess about 15/16 pounds its hard to describe big as some dogs are tall but lightly built but i would class anything over 18/20 pounds as a big terrier

 

the terrier i sent over was classed as big by the way

[BredtoHunt 8]

discribe small. i sent what i considered a small dog to south caralina (spelling) she was 12 and a half inch and at a guess about 15/16 pounds its hard to describe big as some dogs are tall but lightly built but i would class anything over 18/20 pounds as a big terrier

 

the terrier i sent over was classed as big by the way

 

My Description of a small terrier in North America is any Terrier that my thumbs completely overlap each other and smaller. Tight earths are the what has driven the small terrier fans over here. Does not matter how tall the terrier is as it is the chest that has to fit through the tube.

[rolly 0]

Small in America, is probably (of course some will disagree), but I'd say under 12in and under 14lbs, then med or average 12-14in 14-17lbs, large over that. I have one probably 13in 20lbs and he is definitely big by American standards but probably average or med from what I've seen of European terriers. Spannability doesn't mean a whole lot to me. My hands are larger than most people as I'm a mini Sasquatch and I've seen dogs that I could barely span fit places that easily spannable dogs wouldn't push to fit. The larger dogs drive made them get where they wanted. Now a small, spannable dog with drive would have gotten there too, but with 35lb coons not uncommon where I hunt and few groundhogs, a "real" small terrier unless a total bayer will likely get killed. A super hard groundhogger pocket terrier will face certain death with the coons they will encounter. So I keep different tools for different jobs, but nothing classified as "small" by American standards.

 

Possum and Blackandtan right on!

[BredtoHunt 8]

Now a small, spannable dog with drive would have gotten there too, but with 35lb coons not uncommon where I hunt and few groundhogs, a "real" small terrier unless a total bayer will likely get killed.

 

Obviously you have developed an opinion not based on experience. I have seen to many XXXL coon harvested in front of small terriers to agree that a big hard terrier is the only ticket for them.

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Now a small, spannable dog with drive would have gotten there too, but with 35lb coons not uncommon where I hunt and few groundhogs, a "real" small terrier unless a total bayer will likely get killed.

 

Obviously you have developed an opinion not based on experience. I have seen to many XXXL coon harvested in front of small terriers to agree that a big hard terrier is the only ticket for them.

 

Don't worry about my experience BredtoHunt, that I've got. A small HARD terrier is not the best tool for XXXL coons. They will eventually get killed. Unless you are right there to help them, they will not overcome a jumbo coon. A bayer type is a must, if you MUST use a small dog. I've seen little 12lb JRT's "harvest" raccoons with lots of help from the hunter. Someplaces you can't help out right away, so I prefer a rough mixer to get the coon to move.

 

You are right to, a large terrier is not the only ticket, I didn't mean it that way. But this thread wasn't about style of hunting the terriers do, just size and a small HARD terrier will not last long in the game of big, mean, coon hunting. That's from experience.....

[FAT CITY 0]

Now a small, spannable dog with drive would have gotten there too, but with 35lb coons not uncommon where I hunt and few groundhogs, a "real" small terrier unless a total bayer will likely get killed.

 

Obviously you have developed an opinion not based on experience. I have seen to many XXXL coon harvested in front of small terriers to agree that a big hard terrier is the only ticket for them.

 

Don't worry about my experience BredtoHunt, that I've got. A small HARD terrier is not the best tool for XXXL coons. They will eventually get killed. Unless you are right there to help them, they will not overcome a jumbo coon. A bayer type is a must, if you MUST use a small dog. I've seen little 12lb JRT's "harvest" raccoons with lots of help from the hunter. Someplaces you can't help out right away, so I prefer a rough mixer to get the coon to move.

 

You are right to, a large terrier is not the only ticket, I didn't mean it that way. But this thread wasn't about style of hunting the terriers do, just size and a small HARD terrier will not last long in the game of big, mean, coon hunting. That's from experience.....

I think that it depends on what kind of mood the coon is in becuase I have seen them go eazy and i have seen them go hard coon are some rugged a$$ son of a B#$ch's just depends if your dog can take the stick.one of my dogs is about 16in and compeletly spandableand my other one is 10in and she has a tuff time getting in with some digging on her part but must of the holes were Iam at are to small anyways squirell size. most of the coons taken are found brush piles and barns and old buildings and trees but for what we do i like a good sized dog to handel some of these big @$$ coons and we get some big ones 40lb's and 50lbers are not unherd of and who ever said any dog can get coons you are right but can they bring it home for you is the?

[Hoss1 3]

Fat City, just wondering and not to cause any problems, but......have you ever taken any 40 to 50 pounders with terriers?

[FAT CITY 0]

nope not with black ones but time will tell my gurddy bitch has been on a few at the chicken ranch about 20lbers the season look like it will be a good one and back to you ? I have taken them with my black and tans bulldogs

Edited September 14, 2008 by FAT CITY

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[Guest busterdog]

Small in America, is probably (of course some will disagree), but I'd say under 12in and under 14lbs, then med or average 12-14in 14-17lbs, large over that. I have one probably 13in 20lbs and he is definitely big by American standards but probably average or med from what I've seen of European terriers. Spannability doesn't mean a whole lot to me. My hands are larger than most people as I'm a mini Sasquatch and I've seen dogs that I could barely span fit places that easily spannable dogs wouldn't push to fit. The larger dogs drive made them get where they wanted. Now a small, spannable dog with drive would have gotten there too, but with 35lb coons not uncommon where I hunt and few groundhogs, a "real" small terrier unless a total bayer will likely get killed. A super hard groundhogger pocket terrier will face certain death with the coons they will encounter. So I keep different tools for different jobs, but nothing classified as "small" by American standards.

 

Possum and Blackandtan right on!

SPOT ON MATE IT'S ALL IN THE DRIVE!!! IV'E HAD BIG DOGS THAT WOULD GET ENYWERE,AND TINY EASILY SPANABLE DOGS THAT CAN'T OR WONT GET IN TUBES THAT ARE HUGE.

Edited September 14, 2008 by busterdog

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Fat City, just wondering and not to cause any problems, but......have you ever taken any 40 to 50 pounders with terriers?

 

Hoss, you ain't new to the game, you ever seen a wild 40-50lb coon?

 

Fatcity, I would never call you a liar, but I have not seen a coon even close to 50lbs in my entire life, nor has my father who hunted coons for 20 years, before I was born. Got one that I believe was 38lbs I caught trapping and was actually weighed. 50lb coons would kill all my dogs........