Crossing terriers, out crossing

[swanseajack 228]

I read most of the terrier articles on here and quite a lot of the time I see you lads using Border/Lakies, Pat/Lakies and even Russell/Pats.....

 

Sometimes I raise an eyebrow and think to myself why, why cross a 'good' pat with a Russell....

 

I'm not knocking anyone's decision to do this I'm just asking a question, why would you want to do it, what are the long term goals in producing such offspring ???

 

I seen quotes such as 'Border/Lakeland best terrier Ive ever owned' .......'kept a strain of border cross Russells for years'....

 

A lot of this has been touched on in various threads on here, but I'm curious as to why you have done it in the first place and what were your long term goals.....

 

I could ramble on for a bit and bore you til your back teeth fall out, but you can answer it for yourself... I expect the usual answer of worker to worker as a first off, yet interested in where it goes....

 

hopefully might turn into a decent thread...

 

Yours

 

SJ

[sniper 30]

i think the best breeding of this "out crossing" has to be the patt/lakeland.

but back to topic people may do it for adding extra advantages to russel that say a patt may have.

but breeding is a patience and waiting game.

cheers Sniper

[swanseajack 228]

i think the best breeding of this "out crossing" has to be the patt/lakeland.

 

WHY ?? What's the matter with a Pat, or a lakeland ??

 

people may do it for adding extra advantages to russel that say a patt may have.

 

Such as ????

 

 

what's the long term goal of people who do this, is there one ???\

[sniper 30]

i think the best breeding of this "out crossing" has to be the patt/lakeland.

 

WHY ?? What's the matter with a Pat, or a lakeland ??

 

people may do it for adding extra advantages to russel that say a patt may have.

 

Such as ????

 

 

what's the long term goal of people who do this, is there one ???\

God Knows why people do it mate.

maybe for the fact there not trying to add anything there breeding honest worker to worker. and getting workinmg bred pups.

i also am just estimating at this as im not sure pal?

cheers

[swanseajack 228]

i think the best breeding of this "out crossing" has to be the patt/lakeland.

 

WHY ?? What's the matter with a Pat, or a lakeland ??

 

people may do it for adding extra advantages to russel that say a patt may have.

 

Such as ????

 

 

what's the long term goal of people who do this, is there one ???\

God Knows why people do it mate.

maybe for the fact there not trying to add anything there breeding honest worker to worker. and getting workinmg bred pups.

i also am just estimating at this as im not sure pal?

cheers

So you haven't actually done it then... ???

[sniper 30]

yes i have done it a patt bitch old nuttal bred to a EXTREAMLY hard gary middleton lakeland.

only 3 pups but all made the grade on everything.

Edited January 10, 2009 by sniper

[sniper 30]

yes i have done it a patt bitch old nuttal bred to a EXTREAMLY hard gary middleton lakeland.

only 3 pups but all made the grade on everything.

Edited January 10, 2009 by sniper

[swanseajack 228]

yes i have done it a patt bitch old nuttal bred to a EXTREAMLY hard gary middleton lakeland.

only 3 pups but all made the grade on everything.

 

worker to worker. mate

 

So why didnt you use a hard nuttal bred dog ???

 

just asking,, and making conversation... not knocking...

[wazza 18]

i think the best breeding of this "out crossing" has to be the patt/lakeland.

 

WHY ?? What's the matter with a Pat, or a lakeland ??

 

people may do it for adding extra advantages to russel that say a patt may have.

 

Such as ????

 

 

what's the long term goal of people who do this, is there one ???\

God Knows why people do it mate.

maybe for the fact there not trying to add anything there breeding honest worker to worker. and getting workinmg bred pups.

i also am just estimating at this as im not sure pal?

cheers

So you haven't actually done it then... ???

u dont see many pats about where i am so they may be trying to get a bigger gene pool going by putting pat to russel . but now bet loads will come on and shout at me saying theres loads of pats about Edited September 7, 2008 by wazza

[sniper 30]

yes i have done it a patt bitch old nuttal bred to a EXTREAMLY hard gary middleton lakeland.

only 3 pups but all made the grade on everything.

 

worker to worker. mate

 

So why didnt you use a hard nuttal bred dog ???

 

just asking,, and making conversation... not knocking...

oh she was hard mate. lost her to ground last year. just stating that the sire was phenomially hard nevr backed off. had about 600 digs with him.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Interesting thread Swansea and you will get some interesting replies too .I would say its part curiosity and part not knowing the whereabouts of a suitable sire/dam of the same breed .The trouble in this from my point of veiw is that of throwbacks that look like one or the other and are often passed off as such ,only to throw back again when bred in the future .Some will say what does it matter if its worker to worker but to me it does .

[sniper 30]

Interesting thread Swansea and you will get some interesting replies too .I would say its part curiosity and part not knowing the whereabouts of a suitable sire/dam of the same breed .The trouble in this from my point of veiw is that of throwbacks that look like one or the other and are often passed off as such ,only to throw back again when bred in the future .Some will say what does it matter if its worker to worker but to me it does .

good point mate. do you mean like if a bull x russel and throws identically to the russel it would be put to a bull again and be sold as first crosses.

[leegreen 2,221]

I think good dogs cross good dogs is why people do it and that is about it, or why they should do it. Some times people dont know dogs of the same breed and just want pups for themselves so use the nearest and best available dog.

[swanseajack 228]

u dont see many pats about where i am so they may be trying to get a bigger gene pool going by putting pat to russel . but now bet loads will come on and shout at me saying theres loads of pats about

 

but you wouldn't be adding to the Pat gene pool, would you ???

 

I wouldnt want a pat with russell blood in that's for sure ...

 

any thoughts ???

[swanseajack 228]

oh she was hard mate. lost her to ground last year. just stating that the sire was phenomially hard nevr backed off. had about 600 digs with him.

600 digs with a phenomenally hard dog... explain hard ...?