socks 32,253 Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 it doesnt sound like heat stroke to me ... here are the signs and symptoms Panting High body temperature Dehydration Red (congested) membranes in the mouth and eyes Rapid, irregular heart rate Diarrhoea Weakness, looking dazed Coma Death if it was heat related the dog wouldnt be experiencing discomfort for as long as you say ... he would have either have cooled down and been fine or he would have died ........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest buster321c Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 So paul , hows he doing today ? any ideas what it was mate ?? Hi Bud....................Im happy to report that he's completely back to his normal self - no problem at all. Thanks for all the advice - but I'l have to go with the overheating scenario as he was asleep in the hot sun for a couple of hours and was fine before that.....One would auotmatically think he would have moved if he'd got too hot ------ but then again as so call 'intelligent beings'; humans sit in the sun, and fry themselves all the time!!!!!!!! thanks for your concerns buster..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scent 509 Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 could be a build up of lactic acid mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul in North Lincs 15 Posted September 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 could be a build up of lactic acid mate yeah..that was mentioned ....and I asked for more info about it and no one responeded. Its nothing I've come across before, and would be grateful if someone could elaborate on this 'build up'. I am pleased he's OK..but if its something that could occur...I'd like to know enough to be able to deal with it staight away. Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 these are the general symptoms of lactic acid build up ....cramp ... muscle spasms anf general fatigue ... you will get these symptoms if your dog was doing anaerobic exercise (training without oxygen)... what i mean by that is sprinting or any rapid burst of hard exercise ... anaerobic exercises can't last long because oxygen is not used for energy and a by-product lactic acid is produced.... this is different to aerobic exercise such as long runs where you are constantly taking on a regular controled amount of oxygen to fuel your body ......... i believe that number of factors contributed to your dogs state ... 1. if the dog is an ex track dog it will have never done a couple of straight sprints in one session let a few runs on a twisting turning rabbit this alone will cause a massive lactic acid build up .... 2. dehydration ... if it was a warm day then then the dogs fluid reserve will have been used up quickly on his runs .... 3. feeding to soon after coming home ... the dogs bodys trying to deal with the lactic acid and then it gets a stomach full of food so all the blood rushes to the gut to try and digest that ... 3. you said it was a hot day so the dog whilst still not cooled down enough got hotter and made the whole condition worse ........ without actually seeing the dog and only going by what you have said this is my best guess ....... prevention ... make sure the dog has a drink before going out ... after a run walk the dog on the lead to warm himdown properly and dissapate any lactic acid build up ...... wait untill the dogs tounge is completely in before rehydrating him with water ... dont feed the dog for an hour after exercise waitt he full sixty minuets to give the dog body time to get back on an even keal .... and finally keep the dog in the shade for an hour or two after exercise if its a hot day ......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Lactic acid is a product of muscle metobolism and as such can be produced faster than it can be reprocessed when sprinting which in therory could lead to acidosis but this is very unlikely in a healthy dog. Traditionally it was thought to be the reason muscle contraction slowed after a given amount of exercise but recent research suggests it doesn't have as much inpact as once thought. Cramps can present as altered/stiff gait and is usualy due to a lack of condition or just overdoing it and when combined with the excessive heat of that can be produced may well cause nausea and vomiting (what the runners at the end of a maraton etc many will vomit if they have run hard). Best bet is gradual conditioning to build stamina, don't run in the heat of the day, good hydration and a balenced diet to include some carbs though perhaps not chocolate. If it happens when the dog hasn't run then consider an alternative diagnosis with your vet such as fits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul in North Lincs 15 Posted September 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 these are the general symptoms of lactic acid build up ....cramp ... muscle spasms anf general fatigue ... you will get these symptoms if your dog was doing anaerobic exercise (training without oxygen)... what i mean by that is sprinting or any rapid burst of hard exercise ... anaerobic exercises can't last long because oxygen is not used for energy and a by-product lactic acid is produced.... this is different to aerobic exercise such as long runs where you are constantly taking on a regular controled amount of oxygen to fuel your body ......... i believe that number of factors contributed to your dogs state ... 1. if the dog is an ex track dog it will have never done a couple of straight sprints in one session let a few runs on a twisting turning rabbit this alone will cause a massive lactic acid build up .... 2. dehydration ... if it was a warm day then then the dogs fluid reserve will have been used up quickly on his runs .... 3. feeding to soon after coming home ... the dogs bodys trying to deal with the lactic acid and then it gets a stomach full of food so all the blood rushes to the gut to try and digest that ... 3. you said it was a hot day so the dog whilst still not cooled down enough got hotter and made the whole condition worse ........ without actually seeing the dog and only going by what you have said this is my best guess ....... prevention ... make sure the dog has a drink before going out ... after a run walk the dog on the lead to warm himdown properly and dissapate any lactic acid build up ...... wait untill the dogs tounge is completely in before rehydrating him with water ... dont feed the dog for an hour after exercise waitt he full sixty minuets to give the dog body time to get back on an even keal .... and finally keep the dog in the shade for an hour or two after exercise if its a hot day ......... very informative ........................thanks for you time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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