Suggestion for Scope .22LR on lamp duty.

[mattydski 560]

Ok, given a budget of £150 quid.

What would you recomend for use on the lamp at night on a .22lr.

I currently have a Nikko gold 3-9x40. Which is ok during the daylight, but showing its calibre at night..

 

12mag preffered.

40-50mm objective, i dont want to go to high mounts, unless i have too.

Iluminated reticule preferred

Second hand options considered.

 

Hawke, nikko, bushnell?

 

What do you use and what are its pros and cons

Matt

[hiho 5]

have you look at the mtc mamba range of scopes?

[mattydski 560]

Any one got any ideas then?

Matt

[Mr_Logic 5]

What lamp are you using?

 

I've found that at night, optical quality is less important than at dusk, and most of all, illuminated reticles ain't worth sheeeit, unless it's a fine crosshair and the range (and thus lamplight) is extreme.

[mattydski 560]

What lamp are you using?

 

I've found that at night, optical quality is less important than at dusk, and most of all, illuminated reticles ain't worth sheeeit, unless it's a fine crosshair and the range (and thus lamplight) is extreme.

 

lightforce 140 lance.

 

No problems on the .243 scope at distance, but .22lr crap after 50 yards.

 

What about your nighteater Logic?? Beter than my Nikko gold??

[jamie g 17]

8x50s&b would be super on 22lr but abit more then £150 pound.

[Guest JohnGalway]

Got an MTC Viper on my .22lr. The optics aren't the best ever but the crosshairs is very good for .22lr trajectory, they're also a good thickness for lamping. Add £20 0r £30 to your budget and you'd get a second hand one easy. Mostly used mine to ambush hoodies and magpies in daylight but it's killed it's fair share of rabbits and a few foxes too.

[mattydski 560]

Got an MTC Viper on my .22lr. The optics aren't the best ever but the crosshairs is very good for .22lr trajectory, they're also a good thickness for lamping. Add £20 0r £30 to your budget and you'd get a second hand one easy. Mostly used mine to ambush hoodies and magpies in daylight but it's killed it's fair share of rabbits and a few foxes too.

 

 

That was my original choice John, but Mr L. expressed opinions that it was not up to the lamp job... due to the thickness of the recticule..

 

Matt

[jamie g 17]

Got an MTC Viper on my .22lr. The optics aren't the best ever but the crosshairs is very good for .22lr trajectory, they're also a good thickness for lamping. Add £20 0r £30 to your budget and you'd get a second hand one easy. Mostly used mine to ambush hoodies and magpies in daylight but it's killed it's fair share of rabbits and a few foxes too.

 

 

That was my original choice John, but Mr L. expressed opinions that it was not up to the lamp job... due to the thickness of the recticule..

 

Matt

 

i find the mtc perfect for lamping i guess we all like different things on our rifles.

 

ive shot a load of rabbits with mine.

[mattydski 560]

Got an MTC Viper on my .22lr. The optics aren't the best ever but the crosshairs is very good for .22lr trajectory, they're also a good thickness for lamping. Add £20 0r £30 to your budget and you'd get a second hand one easy. Mostly used mine to ambush hoodies and magpies in daylight but it's killed it's fair share of rabbits and a few foxes too.

 

 

That was my original choice John, but Mr L. expressed opinions that it was not up to the lamp job... due to the thickness of the recticule..

 

Matt

 

i find the mtc perfect for lamping i guess we all like different things on our rifles.

 

ive shot a load of rabbits with mine.

 

Cheers Jamie,

ive shot hundreds with my current set up as well, but i am a perfectionist and i'm just not convinced it is making it an easy job of it.

Having said that, its night and day with my mates tasco, utter crap even in comparison to my nikko gold.

Matt

[jamie g 17]

Got an MTC Viper on my .22lr. The optics aren't the best ever but the crosshairs is very good for .22lr trajectory, they're also a good thickness for lamping. Add £20 0r £30 to your budget and you'd get a second hand one easy. Mostly used mine to ambush hoodies and magpies in daylight but it's killed it's fair share of rabbits and a few foxes too.

 

 

That was my original choice John, but Mr L. expressed opinions that it was not up to the lamp job... due to the thickness of the recticule..

 

Matt

 

i find the mtc perfect for lamping i guess we all like different things on our rifles.

 

ive shot a load of rabbits with mine.

 

Cheers Jamie,

ive shot hundreds with my current set up as well, but i am a perfectionist and i'm just not convinced it is making it an easy job of it.

Having said that, its night and day with my mates tasco, utter crap even in comparison to my nikko gold.

Matt

 

mate you can have the best rifle in the world but it is only as good as the scope if you want super clear under the lamp then the s*b is the one to have. get the ones from hungry there cheaper. round about 250 mite get you a 7x42 mag scope

[mattydski 560]

Got an MTC Viper on my .22lr. The optics aren't the best ever but the crosshairs is very good for .22lr trajectory, they're also a good thickness for lamping. Add £20 0r £30 to your budget and you'd get a second hand one easy. Mostly used mine to ambush hoodies and magpies in daylight but it's killed it's fair share of rabbits and a few foxes too.

 

 

That was my original choice John, but Mr L. expressed opinions that it was not up to the lamp job... due to the thickness of the recticule..

 

Matt

 

i find the mtc perfect for lamping i guess we all like different things on our rifles.

 

ive shot a load of rabbits with mine.

 

Cheers Jamie,

ive shot hundreds with my current set up as well, but i am a perfectionist and i'm just not convinced it is making it an easy job of it.

Having said that, its night and day with my mates tasco, utter crap even in comparison to my nikko gold.

Matt

 

mate you can have the best rifle in the world but it is only as good as the scope if you want super clear under the lamp then the s*b is the one to have. get the ones from hungry there cheaper. round about 250 mite get you a 7x42 mag scope

yeh I know, i just cant bring my self to spend the money...

TBH i dont have the cash at the minute, too much going on, to have that amount spare. I should cash in my investments, but too busy at work to take the time out ot do it.

My report card would read , should try harder...

 

Still want a review on the nikko nighteater.

 

I have the diamond on my .243, which i like...

 

but never looked through one...

 

Matt

[jamie g 17]

Got an MTC Viper on my .22lr. The optics aren't the best ever but the crosshairs is very good for .22lr trajectory, they're also a good thickness for lamping. Add £20 0r £30 to your budget and you'd get a second hand one easy. Mostly used mine to ambush hoodies and magpies in daylight but it's killed it's fair share of rabbits and a few foxes too.

 

 

That was my original choice John, but Mr L. expressed opinions that it was not up to the lamp job... due to the thickness of the recticule..

 

Matt

 

i find the mtc perfect for lamping i guess we all like different things on our rifles.

 

ive shot a load of rabbits with mine.

 

Cheers Jamie,

ive shot hundreds with my current set up as well, but i am a perfectionist and i'm just not convinced it is making it an easy job of it.

Having said that, its night and day with my mates tasco, utter crap even in comparison to my nikko gold.

Matt

 

mate you can have the best rifle in the world but it is only as good as the scope if you want super clear under the lamp then the s*b is the one to have. get the ones from hungry there cheaper. round about 250 mite get you a 7x42 mag scope

yeh I know, i just cant bring my self to spend the money...

TBH i dont have the cash at the minute, too much going on, to have that amount spare. I should cash in my investments, but too busy at work to take the time out ot do it.

My report card would read , should try harder...

 

Still want a review on the nikko nighteater.

 

I have the diamond on my .243, which i like...

 

but never looked through one...

 

Matt

 

get down the local gunshop if you have a good one and look round some scopes.

 

me i think the mtc range cant be beat for the money. not just because ive met gary and sammy the owners of mtc.

 

if i didnt like the scope i wouldnt use it no matter if the person that owns the company was my best friend.

i think the crosshair on the mtc makes different ranges so easy.

 

but like i said just because i find it good dont mean you will

[Mr_Logic 5]

My problem with the MTC is at the longer ranges when its reticle gets lost in the murk. The reticle is OK for a 22LR if you have a decent lamp.

 

Mine is the 6-24 which is too big physically for most rifles. I rarely get a clear sight picture with it, which is why it's now off all my rifles.

 

Personally I don't find MTC's glass to be as good as they say it should be - it is after all Chinese, not Japanese...

 

For a hundred and fifty quid, Bushnell's Trophy is worth a look, as is a lower-mag Nikko Diamond. Ignore the Nighteater, I have one and it's crap. Like the MTC, it isn't on a rifle. Different reasons though, it just has rubbish adjustments.

 

My Trophy is clear and relatively bright, but it's not as good as my Nikko DIamond 4-12x42.

 

If you are after clear and bright on a budget, check out the JS Ramsbottom scopes though. They're very cheap, but seem very good - had a look through Deker's and was very impressed - much nicer sight picture than my Nighteater (which I happened to have with me at the time, so I compared it side by side).

 

Golden rule which thus far I haven't been able to prove wrong.

 

Chinese < Japanese < American < European.

 

pretty much, shop by continent of origin! Nikko Diamond is Jap, so is Hawke Endurance 30, so is Bushnell Trophy. MTC is Chinese, as are Nikko Nighteater, Hawke Nite-Eyes and the like.

 

You lose out with reticles and magnification. On a 22LR i like mildot or similar because I immediately go from a 60 yard rifle to a 100 yard rifle, I know where to aim. But it's personal preference.

 

My 22LR scope is a Hawke Reflex 4-12x50. it's fine under the lamp, holds its zero and does the job. It was £70. Personally I don't see the need for more on a 22LR, they're short range anyway.

[mattydski 560]

Jamie

 

Thats one of my biggest problems, none of my local shops stock any midrange stuff. Its nikko gold/silver, walther, hawke or swarovski, zeiss or S and B.

 

Even went to the the gamefaire at Glamis yester to look at the scopes. There was one stand selleng the cheeper end of the above, nothing else.(6 in total)

So i'm stuck with ordering from the local shops on spec, or mail order, or travelling great distances to look. Pants eh?

 

Mr L, thats good info.

Thanks for the the time it took.

Given a large budget, i would confidently place an order for what i know is quality. But its so hit and miss with the cheeper end of the market.

So thanks for the advice. I think i will try to get a diamond in my price range.

 

Matt