Bite Force

[BlueCoyote 0]

I've taken thousands of bites from rotties, shepherds, malis and dozens of other breeds and the trouble is that power from the bites varies with each individual dog from the same breed. The power excerted also depends hugely on whether the dog has a full mouth grip and whether the dog is in prey/defense drive, this will have a huge bearing on the pressure excerted

 

i had read some in here http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/dog/library.htm an account on different bite styles and how you can tell if the dog is properly trained or just biting out of fear... according to this guy if the dog uses his canines to bite he's poorly trained and fearful.. but if its a full mouthed grip, it will bruise and hurt like f*ck but wont rip the muscles and tendons off your arm. the point he was making was that a police dog rarely mangles the bad guy and a dog slashing with canines runs a risk of breaking them.... which is bad for business.

 

dont know if any of that is true or not but it makes some sense...

 

 

pit bull & other tenacious guard dogs???

are you kidding or what? lol

[Simoman 110]

Yes Bc, a confident dog wil;l take a full mouth grip on the sleeve without "mouthing" or shifting position, the confident dog will also come straight at you and bite the sleeve on the forearm, dogs that are driven via nerves or fear often bite weakly with there canines and not a full mouth, they will often bites arounf the hand area of the sleeve (as this is the farthest point away from the man wearing the sleeve) or around the top of the arm to avoid eye contact and percieved threat.

 

P.S. The guy in the film Dr Brady Barr is bloddy annoying anyway............

 

Although our police and security dogs aren't allowed perhaps the most effective target area is the leg, good dogs will anticipoate movement as they come in for the bite and the legs are the last thing to move so using bite pants and a hard dog can produce awesome bites, many dogs are capable of breaking bones before even using their teeth.

[BlueCoyote 0]

Yes Bc, a confident dog wil;l take a full mouth grip on the sleeve without "mouthing" or shifting position, the confident dog will also come straight at you and bite the sleeve on the forearm, dogs that are driven via nerves or fear often bite weakly with there canines and not a full mouth, they will often bites arounf the hand area of the sleeve (as this is the farthest point away from the man wearing the sleeve) or around the top of the arm to avoid eye contact and percieved threat.

 

P.S. The guy in the film Dr Brady Barr is bloddy annoying anyway............

 

Although our police and security dogs aren't allowed perhaps the most effective target area is the leg, good dogs will anticipoate movement as they come in for the bite and the legs are the last thing to move so using bite pants and a hard dog can produce awesome bites, many dogs are capable of breaking bones before even using their teeth.

 

watching that video i kept thinking .... what if that dog decides to try something new and takes that guys ears off for him while he's on the ground??

the Dutch Shepherd was all over him, back to front.... i heard of one guy working a protection AB and it bit him on the foot lol i'm sure that ended the training session for a while!

[Simoman 110]

99.9% of the time the dogs treat the sleeve as a game and as the reward, this is how we train sport dogs, if we were training personel protetion dogs or security dogs we changed it from a game into a serious session. Its difficult to explain typing but the drives and the dogs perception are altered by using body movement, eye contact, pressure and various other methods, the most interesting thing about bitework is that the handler is mostly a bystander whos sole job is to demonstrate good timing when releasing the dog, the criminal as we call them or agitator is the person training the dog and a bad criminal can f*ck up a good dog and a good criminal can make an ordinary dog look good......

 

i have seen some nasty bites during sessions and had a couple myself, sometimes the dogs fault but often handler error....

[undisputed 1,664]

just guessing but i bet this dog could beat all three combined

 

and i agree with Gnasher..... but you cant beat the tenacity some breeds show, and the fact that a bulldog, once in frenzy mode, is hard to stop. doesnt matter how hard he bites.... how much flesh is he ripping off your arm?!.... thats where a lot of people go wrong in their opinions about how tough a dog is. any dog can bite..... and more often than not a good kick will put most dogs off from going after you again... but SOME dogs just get meaner the more you "agitate" or struggle..

and i think that is partially training and partially breed... bulldog types (rotti included) are heavier dogs designed to work with cattle, boar and bears as well as guarding property.... for that i tend to give them more credit than i do shepherds. i'm sure a ram with an attitude could do some damage but nothing compared to bulls, boars and bears..

 

 

of course at the end of the day you have to ask yourself.... just how crazy are you and how bad do you want what that dog is guarding? one bite from any of those breeds hurts like hell!!

 

And there was me thinking werewolves didn't exist

[Simoman 110]

there's a good book called pit bull & other tenacious gaurd dog breeds might be worth a read

 

 

Some good photos in that book kash but the content is dire.

[BlueCoyote 0]

And there was me thinking werewolves didn't exist

reminds me of a Wolverine lol

 

Edited August 28, 2008 by BlueCoyote

[valentino 0]

imo,..the thing to remember with 'guarding' type dogs, is that they arent toys, and a great deal of thinking and visits to kennels of dogs etc to see what these dogs are capable of is a must....and hopefully the breeder will be a good one and tell you straight whether or not you can have one of their pups.....and hopefully you will have decided whether they are for you

 

there are some very serious dogs out there and in my opinion there is a very small minority who need this level of 'guarding instinst'

 

valentino

[Simoman 110]

imo,..the thing to remember with 'guarding' type dogs, is that they arent toys, and a great deal of thinking and visits to kennels of dogs etc to see what these dogs are capable of is a must....and hopefully the breeder will be a good one and tell you straight whether or not you can have one of their pups.....and hopefully you will have decided whether they are for you

 

there are some very serious dogs out there and in my opinion there is a very small minority who need this level of 'guarding instinst'

 

valentino

 

 

Totally agree 100%

[BlueCoyote 0]

there are some very serious dogs out there and in my opinion there is a very small minority who need this level of 'guarding instinst'

 

valentino

 

thats my opinion too.....

i have this list thats a mile long i call the "Things i want but will never have" list lol and this breed is on it right alongside Clydesdale horse and GT 40

cool, but just doesnt make any sense to have it.

 

 

maybe if i owned a lot of sheep? or was running a crack house?

[Simoman 110]

I suppose in reality the hardest biting dog is the one hanging off your arm

[leegreen 2,222]

I took a pup of mine to do some bite work and the chap (a Russian type bloke) receiving the bite had a puppy sleave on, when he presented his arm to the pup, my pup took hold, the man let out a argh! After I made my pup let go he checked his arm and said in a Russian type accent "if this dog bites you like this shit and piss comes out of here" pointing to his trouser leg , needless to say he went and got a more substantual sleave.

[BlueCoyote 0]

I suppose in reality the hardest biting dog is the one hanging off your arm

i got into an argument with an attack dog trainer about the very same comment..... and it was about those Ovcharka's. he was putting down the dog handler's methods in a youtube video, and saying the dog was a wuss and was too defensive.....

i asked him if he would be willing to up to that dog without his bite suit on and he told me i wouldnt know a good guard dog if it bit me in the arm pit..

[BlueCoyote 0]

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/caucasianowtcharka.htm

 

have a look in here.

they're a type of livestock guard dog that the Russian military turned into serious over the top protection dogs..

 

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[Simoman 110]

i got into an argument with an attack dog trainer about the very same comment..... and it was about those Ovcharka's. he was putting down the dog handler's methods in a youtube video, and saying the dog was a wuss and was too defensive.....

i asked him if he would be willing to up to that dog without his bite suit on and he told me i wouldnt know a good guard dog if it bit me in the arm pit..

 

He was probably upset you called him an "attack dog trainer" BC, makes them sound like knuckle draggers