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[tigerdog2 8]

if this 6 year old dog is the only link to the old dog you think so much of go for it,you also say the bitch was a solid digging dog so with that knowledge a would go for it and run a couple on try them and as some one said earlyer in the post if it didnt work you have only wasted your own time,but if the parents were as good as you say you should be okay but also as some one said earlyer nothing is guaranteed from any mating ,whats hapend is the circumstances have left you this the only route back to the old dog !!

[Guest busterdog]

read what you have wrote , you have agreed that not all pups from so called working lines turn out to be digging dogs, so this man has a dog that was sold as a pup as a pet but is out of working lines SO he would like to use this dog to line a working bitch, and your saying no as only worker to worker will produce workers . then you say not all pups from working lines work, make your mind up wonderland, think you have been drinking to much GENIUS TO THE LAD WHO WROTE THIS THREAD LINE YOU BITCH WITH THE DOG KEEP A COUPLE AND KEEP AN EYE ON THE OTHERS LIKE IN ALL LITTERS SOME WILL MAKE DIGGING DOGS SOME WILL MAKE RATTERS AND SOME WILL GO AS PETS OR BUY ONE OFF BORDERLAND 100% WORKERS OR BE LIKE ALL THE REST BRING IT ON YOUR SELF YOU MIGHT BE SUPPRISED BY THE OUT COME]

I can see all sides to all comments and all hold water! two sayings come to mind THE APPLE NEVER FALLS FAR FROM THE TREE . IF ISNT BROKE DONT FIX IT .If its your only option then go for it

Edited August 26, 2008 by busterdog

[shinyspade 2]

90% breeding 10% feeding. its all about the bloodlines better to use a none worked dog of good working lines than to use a worker of breeding unknown. how many folk do you know with an unbroken working line i will be honest and say hands on heart i know of no unbroken working lines that are tested through each generation. best to best of tested stock is the best way to go in theory but in practice the lines are not always available so go with the best you can get if that dog hasnt been worked is no biggy as long as your honest and upfront about your breeding. good luck. at the end of the day they are your dogs its your choice.

[shinyspade 2]

the bloods ther the drives ther its you only chance you know whats in him i would use him

 

Holy god not a bit of wonder the dog market is full of rubbish with statements like that. Its a fu**ing PET.

 

 

if you had the choice what would you breed from. A a well bred but untried ( pet )

 

or B a good worker with unknown pedigree ???????????????

[francolin 449]

read what you have wrote , you have agreed that not all pups from so called working lines turn out to be digging dogs, so this man has a dog that was sold as a pup as a pet but is out of working lines SO he would like to use this dog to line a working bitch, and your saying no as only worker to worker will produce workers . then you say not all pups from working lines work, make your mind up wonderland, think you have been drinking to much GENIUS TO THE LAD WHO WROTE THIS THREAD LINE YOU BITCH WITH THE DOG KEEP A COUPLE AND KEEP AN EYE ON THE OTHERS LIKE IN ALL LITTERS SOME WILL MAKE DIGGING DOGS SOME WILL MAKE RATTERS AND SOME WILL GO AS PETS OR BUY ONE OFF BORDERLAND 100% WORKERS OR BE LIKE ALL THE REST BRING IT ON YOUR SELF YOU MIGHT BE SUPPRISED BY THE OUT COME]

blackntan we all know not all pups from proven lines work, no litter born will produce all workers of the same standard, but breeding worker to worker and line breeding these workers will surely tip the balance in the breeders favour,if not at least it makes the breeder feel like they give it there best shot , that said some dogs of unknown breeding do make good uns ,point i am makeing is about % of workers per litter worker x worker must help . dont take this the wrong way i,ve bred plenty of shit in the past first to admit

[Guest blackntan]

read what you have wrote , you have agreed that not all pups from so called working lines turn out to be digging dogs, so this man has a dog that was sold as a pup as a pet but is out of working lines SO he would like to use this dog to line a working bitch, and your saying no as only worker to worker will produce workers . then you say not all pups from working lines work, make your mind up wonderland, think you have been drinking to much GENIUS TO THE LAD WHO WROTE THIS THREAD LINE YOU BITCH WITH THE DOG KEEP A COUPLE AND KEEP AN EYE ON THE OTHERS LIKE IN ALL LITTERS SOME WILL MAKE DIGGING DOGS SOME WILL MAKE RATTERS AND SOME WILL GO AS PETS OR BUY ONE OFF BORDERLAND 100% WORKERS OR BE LIKE ALL THE REST BRING IT ON YOUR SELF YOU MIGHT BE SUPPRISED BY THE OUT COME]

blackntan we all know not all pups from proven lines work, no litter born will produce all workers of the same standard, but breeding worker to worker and line breeding these workers will surely tip the balance in the breeders favour,if not at least it makes the breeder feel like they give it there best shot , that said some dogs of unknown breeding do make good uns ,point i am makeing is about % of workers per litter worker x worker must help . dont take this the wrong way i,ve bred plenty of shit in the past first to admit

THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT , AND I AGREE BUT ALL THIS FELLA WANTED WAS TO TRY AND GET AN OLD LINK BACK TO A LINE HE HAD , HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU GIVE OR SOLD A PUP AND ITS TURNED OUT A CRACKER YOU CAN NOT KEEP EM ALL BUT THERE IS NO HARM IN EXPERIMENTING

[borderland 0]

read what you have wrote , you have agreed that not all pups from so called working lines turn out to be digging dogs, so this man has a dog that was sold as a pup as a pet but is out of working lines SO he would like to use this dog to line a working bitch, and your saying no as only worker to worker will produce workers . then you say not all pups from working lines work, make your mind up wonderland, think you have been drinking to much GENIUS TO THE LAD WHO WROTE THIS THREAD LINE YOU BITCH WITH THE DOG KEEP A COUPLE AND KEEP AN EYE ON THE OTHERS LIKE IN ALL LITTERS SOME WILL MAKE DIGGING DOGS SOME WILL MAKE RATTERS AND SOME WILL GO AS PETS OR BUY ONE OFF BORDERLAND 100% WORKERS OR BE LIKE ALL THE REST BRING IT ON YOUR SELF YOU MIGHT BE SUPPRISED BY THE OUT COME]

 

First of all I will note you didnt answer my question. I expected as much. I did read what I wrote and the point Im trying to make is that you have a BETTER CHANCE of getting a working pup if the parents are proven workers. Do greyhound breeders breed from upproven track dogs ? NO. Do horse breeders breed from unproven racers? NO. The same factors apply , to many things can happen an animal in the field and its only then do we find potential weakness' or strengths. This lad has asked for advice so dont waste his time by telling him to go through with it. Will you take a pup of the breeding?

[borderland 0]

the bloods ther the drives ther its you only chance you know whats in him i would use him

 

Holy god not a bit of wonder the dog market is full of rubbish with statements like that. Its a fu**ing PET.

 

 

if you had the choice what would you breed from. A a well bred but untried ( pet )

 

or B a good worker with unknown pedigree ???????????????

 

are you serious??? holy fcuk this thread is seriously finding a few interweb hunters! lol Workerxworker every time

[Guest blackntan]

read what you have wrote , you have agreed that not all pups from so called working lines turn out to be digging dogs, so this man has a dog that was sold as a pup as a pet but is out of working lines SO he would like to use this dog to line a working bitch, and your saying no as only worker to worker will produce workers . then you say not all pups from working lines work, make your mind up wonderland, think you have been drinking to much GENIUS TO THE LAD WHO WROTE THIS THREAD LINE YOU BITCH WITH THE DOG KEEP A COUPLE AND KEEP AN EYE ON THE OTHERS LIKE IN ALL LITTERS SOME WILL MAKE DIGGING DOGS SOME WILL MAKE RATTERS AND SOME WILL GO AS PETS OR BUY ONE OFF BORDERLAND 100% WORKERS OR BE LIKE ALL THE REST BRING IT ON YOUR SELF YOU MIGHT BE SUPPRISED BY THE OUT COME]

 

First of all I will note you didnt answer my question. I expected as much. I did read what I wrote and the point Im trying to make is that you have a BETTER CHANCE of getting a working pup if the parents are proven workers. Do greyhound breeders breed from upproven track dogs ? NO. Do horse breeders breed from unproven racers? NO. The same factors apply , to many things can happen an animal in the field and its only then do we find potential weakness' or strengths. This lad has asked for advice so dont waste his time by telling him to go through with it. Will you take a pup of the breeding?

RED RUM CAME FROM A SELLING RACE WERE THE SIRE AND DAM HAD NO WINNING HISTORY, WENT ON TO WIN 4 TIMES AT AINTREE AND CAME 2ND AND 3RD A FEW TIMES , BUT THATS HORSES, GREYHOUNDS NOW THERES A TOPIC WERE EVERY ONE ON THE TRACK EXEPT THE PUNTER KNOWS WHAT WILL WIN , I WILL REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID NOT ALL WORKER TO WORKER PRODUCE 100% LITTERS TELL US SOME THING WE DID NOT KNOW, HE SAID HE KNEW THE HISTORY OF THIS DOGS LINE AND THE BITCH WORKED , SO BITCH WORKER X WORKING LINE IS BETTER THAN UNKNOWN , YOUR POINT IS BORN OUT OF A SIMPLISTIC VIEW OF WORKER X WORKER = WORKERS IF ONLY .ASK ANY RACE HORSE OWNER WHO HAS A HORSE OUT OF GREAT BREEDING , AND HAS NOT WON , THERES MORE LOSERS THAN WINNERS , WORKING TERRIERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE BECAUSE THEY ARE A MELTING POT OF BREEDING TAKE THE FELL AND HAVE A LOOK AROUND HOW MANY TYPES THERE ARE AND WHO LAYS CLAIM TO THE LINES WE ALL HAVE ARE VIEWS AND I RESPECT YOURS AND HOPE YOU HAVE SUCCES IN YOUR TYPE, BUT NEVER EVER WRITE OFF THE TERRIER OF ANY BREED THERE IS THAT WORKING SPIRIT IN THEM ALL Edited August 26, 2008 by blackntan

[swanseajack 227]

the bloods ther the drives ther its you only chance you know whats in him i would use him

 

Holy god not a bit of wonder the dog market is full of rubbish with statements like that. Its a fu**ing PET.

 

 

if you had the choice what would you breed from. A a well bred but untried ( pet )

 

or B a good worker with unknown pedigree ???????????????

 

are you serious??? holy fcuk this thread is seriously finding a few interweb hunters! lol Workerxworker every time

here we go again... worker to worker everytime.. best dog you ever had was/is a border cross lakeland.. how did the pups turn out if you dont mind me asking ??

 

be careful how you answer this one

[Guest oneredtrim]

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Edited August 26, 2008 by oneredtrim

[shinyspade 2]

the bloods ther the drives ther its you only chance you know whats in him i would use him

 

Holy god not a bit of wonder the dog market is full of rubbish with statements like that. Its a fu**ing PET.

 

 

if you had the choice what would you breed from. A a well bred but untried ( pet )

 

or B a good worker with unknown pedigree ???????????????

 

are you serious??? holy fcuk this thread is seriously finding a few interweb hunters! lol Workerxworker every time

 

 

of course i'm serious . one of the best workers ive seen was out of two pets it exelled at everything it was as hard as iron. probably one of the best workers in the district. it produced JACK SHIT. there is a pet bred from workers. (a good old line) up here went to a young lad that self entered and went on to work a few foxes ' in style dispite its owner not becouse of him. this dog has been bred off a couple of times and has not only produced workers but his pups are producing it never ceases to amaze me how blinkered some folk are. luike i said 90% breeding 10% feeding of course worker to worker is a tried and tested way. but its not the only way. i would go for a good line every day. but hey you go long way if you like. YOURS IN SPORT. KEYBOARD HUNTER

[Guest SPIFF]

IF IT WAS ME I WOULD GO FOR THE MATING.BUT DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE OTHER OFFSPRING OF YOUR OLD DOG ,IF NONE ARE ALIVE HOW DID THEY END.HOW FAR BACK CAN YOU GO AND WAS THE LINE PRODUCING HIGH % OF WORKERS AT THE TIME OR WAS THE DOG A SPORT OF UNKNOWN BREEDING ? HAS IT A GOOD NOSE ? JUDGE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN IF YOU CAN T PUT IT TO GROUND.

YOUR DOGS YOUR CHOICE BUT AS p***y SAID MAYBE ASK SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN AT IT FOR YEARS AND HAS TRIED SIMILAR.

ATB ANYHOW AS LONG AS ITS NOT A FINANCIAL EXERCISE AND YOU DEAL WITH THE OUTCOME PROPERLY IF ALL FAILS THEN WHO CAN SAY ANYTHING.

[borderland 0]

the bloods ther the drives ther its you only chance you know whats in him i would use him

 

Holy god not a bit of wonder the dog market is full of rubbish with statements like that. Its a fu**ing PET.

 

 

if you had the choice what would you breed from. A a well bred but untried ( pet )

 

or B a good worker with unknown pedigree ???????????????

 

are you serious??? holy fcuk this thread is seriously finding a few interweb hunters! lol Workerxworker every time

here we go again... worker to worker everytime.. best dog you ever had was/is a border cross lakeland.. how did the pups turn out if you dont mind me asking ??

 

be careful how you answer this one

 

Not sure what pups your on about. she has only had two litters . 1 was to a wroking patterdale dog of my own where she had four pups , 2 bitches and 2 dogs. The two bitches very killed by a lurcher in a pen break in! Was Fckin ragin as 1 of the pups was a picture. Got 1 of the dogs back and he worked extra well durin g his first season. Middle of his second season the dog died from another dog attack While I was out of the country ( needless to say the brother got an earful) The other dog worked the 1st season in my squad and was a slow starter but came on well near the end of the year and dug 3 on 1 of his best days . That first litter was the unluckiest I ever had. the second litter was too a working jack russell terrier who worked extra well in ground for myself and my mate for 3 years (not out of working lines) , the pup I have Was tried a little to the end of last season , she dug 1 and did fairly well for it being her first fox, though this season will tell if she is gonna be any use.

[borderland 0]

read what you have wrote , you have agreed that not all pups from so called working lines turn out to be digging dogs, so this man has a dog that was sold as a pup as a pet but is out of working lines SO he would like to use this dog to line a working bitch, and your saying no as only worker to worker will produce workers . then you say not all pups from working lines work, make your mind up wonderland, think you have been drinking to much GENIUS TO THE LAD WHO WROTE THIS THREAD LINE YOU BITCH WITH THE DOG KEEP A COUPLE AND KEEP AN EYE ON THE OTHERS LIKE IN ALL LITTERS SOME WILL MAKE DIGGING DOGS SOME WILL MAKE RATTERS AND SOME WILL GO AS PETS OR BUY ONE OFF BORDERLAND 100% WORKERS OR BE LIKE ALL THE REST BRING IT ON YOUR SELF YOU MIGHT BE SUPPRISED BY THE OUT COME]

 

First of all I will note you didnt answer my question. I expected as much. I did read what I wrote and the point Im trying to make is that you have a BETTER CHANCE of getting a working pup if the parents are proven workers. Do greyhound breeders breed from upproven track dogs ? NO. Do horse breeders breed from unproven racers? NO. The same factors apply , to many things can happen an animal in the field and its only then do we find potential weakness' or strengths. This lad has asked for advice so dont waste his time by telling him to go through with it. Will you take a pup of the breeding?

RED RUM CAME FROM A SELLING RACE WERE THE SIRE AND DAM HAD NO WINNING HISTORY, WENT ON TO WIN 4 TIMES AT AINTREE AND CAME 2ND AND 3RD A FEW TIMES , BUT THATS HORSES, GREYHOUNDS NOW THERES A TOPIC WERE EVERY ONE ON THE TRACK EXEPT THE PUNTER KNOWS WHAT WILL WIN , I WILL REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID NOT ALL WORKER TO WORKER PRODUCE 100% LITTERS TELL US SOME THING WE DID NOT KNOW, HE SAID HE KNEW THE HISTORY OF THIS DOGS LINE AND THE BITCH WORKED , SO BITCH WORKER X WORKING LINE IS BETTER THAN UNKNOWN , YOUR POINT IS BORN OUT OF A SIMPLISTIC VIEW OF WORKER X WORKER = WORKERS IF ONLY .ASK ANY RACE HORSE OWNER WHO HAS A HORSE OUT OF GREAT BREEDING , AND HAS NOT WON , THERES MORE LOSERS THAN WINNERS , WORKING TERRIERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE BECAUSE THEY ARE A MELTING POT OF BREEDING TAKE THE FELL AND HAVE A LOOK AROUND HOW MANY TYPES THERE ARE AND WHO LAYS CLAIM TO THE LINES WE ALL HAVE ARE VIEWS AND I RESPECT YOURS AND HOPE YOU HAVE SUCCES IN YOUR TYPE, BUT NEVER EVER WRITE OFF THE TERRIER OF ANY BREED THERE IS THAT WORKING SPIRIT IN THEM ALL

 

I am by no means writing off this lads dog or potential stud , like you Im only saying what I would do. Im an arguementative sod though and I will leave you with this ..... How will we ever know if this terrier was not 1 of the losers out of the breeding lines, therefore weakening the line. as you say there are more losers than winners.