Pedigree Dogs On BBC 1

[Guest ESS]

The Cavalier breeder who allowed her dog to sire 26 litters KNOWING he was affected by the brain disease he will pass on to his offspring, should be banned from keeping dogs altogether, let alone breeding them!

 

 

Oh I dont know Dawn she is a accredited breeder with the KC, and has a cheek to advertise her pups that they have passed eye and heart screening,doesnt mention the most serious genetic fault her stud dog has>But hey how what do I know ?

[BlueCoyote 0]

can i watch this on the BBC website or what? is there a direct link?? she really did breed that defective dog? i only saw a small clip of it that mentioned him!

[Guest ESS]

The Cavalier breeder who allowed her dog to sire 26 litters KNOWING he was affected by the brain disease he will pass on to his offspring, should be banned from keeping dogs altogether, let alone breeding them!

 

 

Oh I dont know Dawn she is a accredited breeder with the KC, and has a cheek to advertise her pups that they have passed eye and heart screening,doesnt mention the most serious genetic fault her stud dog has>But hey how what do I know ?

[Guest ESS]

can i watch this on the BBC website or what? is there a direct link?? she really did breed that defective dog? i only saw a small clip of it that mentioned him!

 

 

Try this link

 

pedigree dogs exposed

[neil cooney 10,416]

Who noticed the very brief reference to lurchers during the programme? The presenter made a cryptic remark that 'some people care passionately about breeding their dogs for physical and mental soundness, and have been punished for doing so', as a pair of lurchers were briefly shown, playing in a field.

 

It was a good illustration of the importance of breeding from tried and tested dogs to assess properly and try to avoid passing on inherited faults.

 

Those German Shepherds were sickening to watch- surely even someone who had never had anything to do with dogs could surely tell these dogs were very poor examples and that there were severe problems with the back legs.

 

There may be many problems concerning the treatment of working dogs, but when compared to those scumbag show breeders, we have a lot to be proud of.

Scumbag here! Lurcher and terrier breeders leave a lot to be desired in many cases too, have a skim through this site! Retained testicles, undershot mouths etc... not perfect by any standards!!

Do dogs with retained testicles and undershot mouths suffer in pain Dawn?

What your talking about is striving for perfect conformation.

Isn't that what the K.C. say they do?

[Dawn B 212]

Absolutely Neil yes. A retained testicle can become strangulated and the dog will be in agony, it can be sporadic and spontaneous and is often mistaked for pancreatitis. Undershot mouthes cause distress to dog in severe circumstances, they can be so they are unable to eat, and the front bottom jaw is suseptible to more damage because of its protrusion.

 

Perfect conformation? Not me, but a dog that fits the standard well in both type and temperament.

Dawn.

 

I meant to say I havent bred a litter, but I do show dogs.

[Dawn B 212]

Oh I dont know Dawn she is a accredited breeder with the KC, and has a cheek to advertise her pups that they have passed eye and heart screening,doesnt mention the most serious genetic fault her stud dog has. But hey how what do I know ?

She is an absolute disgrace! I cant see her poking round many shows from now on though, I know there are a fair few after answers from her!

[BlueCoyote 0]

Absolutely Neil yes. A retained testicle can become strangulated and the dog will be in agony, it can be sporadic and spontaneous and is often mistaked for pancreatitis. Undershot mouthes cause distress to dog in severe circumstances, they can be so they are unable to eat, and the front bottom jaw is suseptible to more damage because of its protrusion.

 

Perfect conformation? Not me, but a dog that fits the standard well in both type and temperament.

Dawn.

 

I meant to say I havent bred a litter, but I do show dogs.

 

a lot of KC breeds are encourage to have undershot jaws.. bulldogs, pekes, tzu's, and some others.... however the random undershot lurcher is a reason they should not be bred? and the testical thing can surely be fixed by surgery before it turns into a painful debilitation. that can happen in ANY animal though....

 

i have an argument mainly with toy breeders... what EXACTLY should a toy dog conform for? he doesnt do anything..... he yaps, he pisses all over the place, humps the guests leg, snaps at the grandkids, and guards granny's lap. and yet he has to bred held to a rigorous breed standard in order to do those things.

i wish they would move the KC bulldog to the toy group and change its name to "Giant Pug" or something more fitting because its OBVIOUSLY no longer a bulldog.

[Dawn B 212]

Of Course there are lurchers born with defects, but unlike for example, spina bifida in ridgebacks, the disability/defect isnt what makes the lurcher a lurcher.

Spina bifida doesnt make a Ridgeback a Ridgeback either. The program FAILED to mention that dermoid sinus is NOT confined to Ridgebacks and does NOT only occur in the ridge, but it does often occur on a dogs back which is where the ridge is!

 

a lot of KC breeds are encourage to have undershot jaws.. bulldogs, pekes, tzu's, and some others.... however the random undershot lurcher is a reason they should not be bred? and the testical thing can surely be fixed by surgery before it turns into a painful debilitation. that can happen in ANY animal though....

 

i have an argument mainly with toy breeders... what EXACTLY should a toy dog conform for? he doesnt do anything..... he yaps, he pisses all over the place, humps the guests leg, snaps at the grandkids, and guards granny's lap. and yet he has to bred held to a rigorous breed standard in order to do those things.

i wish they would move the KC bulldog to the toy group and change its name to "Giant Pug" or something more fitting because its OBVIOUSLY no longer a bulldog.

retained testicles are inherited genetic defects, and there are people on here that have used dogs of that condition at stud. You are correct that a retained testicle can be removed however plenty dont do this and a strangulated testicle can happen in a flash and a dog can die very quickly from it.

 

Toy Dogs? Their main purpose was to be a pet, a lap dog, most of them do that admirably, what other reason should there be?

[Malt 379]

Toy Dogs? Their main purpose was to be a pet, a lap dog, most of them do that admirably, what other reason should there be?

 

Most Toy breeds are mutated versions of traditional dog breeds, that were originally bred for a specific purpose at some point in time.

[BlueCoyote 0]

then the ones who breed a dog with a genetic fault arent much better than the ones in the KC.

i'm not a fan of vets that just want your money... i've been skinned by a few of those and always during emergency situations... but you should always keep an eye on your dog for anything abnormal and prepared to have it corrected or risk losing your best hunting partner.

 

back to the toy breeds... thats what i'm saying!

if their main purpose is to be a pet then WHY are they being bred so harshly? why are they being Line bred in the first place and then held to a physical standard?

 

a moot point i guess... people are going to do what they want anyway.

in my opinion, showing dogs isnt totally a bad thing as long as the dog can also do the intended job. not just LOOK like it could.. i guess they're too busy to work AND show.... but damn it, those people need to stick with their little foofoo toy dogs and leave the workers alone! the BOXER used to be another version of the American Bulldog, now look at it! and there are some people in the Ambull world who want their breed to get the AKC Status.... they dont know what they're asking for.

its a crying shame the Neapolitan mastiff was abducted by the akc... er... i mean.. inducted...

[Malt 379]

then the ones who breed a dog with a genetic fault arent much better than the ones in the KC.

i'm not a fan of vets that just want your money... i've been skinned by a few of those and always during emergency situations... but you should always keep an eye on your dog for anything abnormal and prepared to have it corrected or risk losing your best hunting partner.

 

back to the toy breeds... thats what i'm saying!

if their main purpose is to be a pet then WHY are they being bred so harshly? why are they being Line bred in the first place and then held to a physical standard?

 

a moot point i guess... people are going to do what they want anyway.

in my opinion, showing dogs isnt totally a bad thing as long as the dog can also do the intended job. not just LOOK like it could.. i guess they're too busy to work AND show.... but damn it, those people need to stick with their little foofoo toy dogs and leave the workers alone! the BOXER used to be another version of the American Bulldog, now look at it! and there are some people in the Ambull world who want their breed to get the AKC Status.... they dont know what they're asking for.

its a crying shame the Neapolitan mastiff was abducted by the akc... er... i mean.. inducted...

The Boxer was first bred in Germany in the 1800's, from English bulldogs crossed with the now extinct Bullenbeisser, not from American Bulldogs. Don't mean to split hairs though.....

[Dawn B 212]

Most Toy breeds are mutated versions of traditional dog breeds, that were originally bred for a specific purpose at some point in time.

Really? Like Cavaliers etc... you mean?

 

back to the toy breeds... thats what i'm saying!

if their main purpose is to be a pet then WHY are they being bred so harshly? why are they being Line bred in the first place and then held to a physical standard?

They arent bred harshly are they? Im not sure I understand what you mean? if you dont breed dogs to a standard then you might aswell have a bunch of mongrels, because in time all dogs will be the same.

 

Lurcher people are no different. Dont want a big dog, want a bigger head, want a faster pace, want a harsher coat...... see where I am going? just because there is no standard, doesnt mean Lurcher people are not specifically breeding for certain traits to produce a specific dog. Just because these animals work doesnt make it any better than those that show, they are still breeding specifics for themselves to produce their "perfect" dog. Many Lurcher people mate brother to sister and father to daughter, that to me is a disgrace, and the top genetisists in that program told of how terribly damaging it is, but they still do it claiming because the dog can work its justified, isnt that playing god too?

[Malt 379]

Really? Like Cavaliers etc... you mean?

 

I said MOST, not all Dawn, don't get all defensive....

[Guest ESS]

Every breed of dogs have been bred for type ...Cockers to Bull x ...every one who breeds think they know best ,the difference between a l show breeders and working breeders is that working breeds are not stuck in a cul de sac ,We try to breed faults out which effect the working skills of the dog ,we want a dog to perform on the field.We aint going to spend 2 years training something to die of a genetic fault 5 years down the line...the show breeders not all of them will breed for type whether or not this effects the health and welfare of the dog..To get the desired results they will line breed not just once but several times ,this is what gives them the type stamp of offspring they know will give them in the show ring.By doing this and rewarding them with titles rosettes and expensive studs will give them a ever decreasing gene pool,and subsquently the show variants of the working breeds will come knocking on the door of working dog variants to inject new blood. This is happening with labradors and English Springers though they will never admit to it. They will use an out cross then breed back.

 

I can only talk for the Springer Cocker and Lab these working beeds are far away from the breed standard of the Show dog and there will never be a dual Champion of both show and working in these breeds...

 

 

Just my twopence worth

 

Listed below some of the faults and RC Test for Springers and Cockers...

 

ESS:

 

Heart – Patent Ductus Arteriosus

 

Coagulation Disorders – Factor XI (Rarely)

 

Phosphofructokinase (PFK) – Affected

 

 

 

Increased Risk of Diabetes Mellitus

 

 

 

Eyes – Cataracts (Juvenille, Congenital, and Adult)

 

Corneal Dystrophy (Epithelial/Stromal)

 

Ectropion

 

Entropion

 

Persistent Pupillary Membranes (PPM) (Occurs)

 

Generalized PRA (Progressive Rod-Cone Degeneration) – later onset (usually older than 1 year)

 

Central PRA – Retinal Pigment Epithelial Dystrophy (RPED)

 

Retinal Dysplasia – Folds

 

Retinal Dysplasia – Geographic

 

 

 

Skin - Cutaneous Asthenia (Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome) – rare disorder also seen in mixed breeds (Occurs)*

 

Follicular Dysplasia

 

Fold Dermatitis and Skinfold Pyoderma (Affected – Lip Fold)

 

Psoriasiformlichenoid Dermatosis

 

 

 

Seborrhea

 

 

 

Hearing - Deafness (Reported less commonly)

 

 

 

Hypodysmyelinogenesis (“Shaking puppyâ€) – uncommon but affects English Springer Spaniels and Samoyeds most severely

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

English Cocker Spaniel:

 

 

 

Heart – Cardiomyopathy (Important)

 

 

 

Eyes - Cataracts (Juvenille)

 

Ectropion

 

Entropion

 

Eyelash Abnormalities – Distichiasis (Extra eyelashes grow on inside of the eyelid) – Common

 

Glaucoma – Goniodysgenesis

 

Imperforate Lacrimal Punctum

 

Keratoconjunctivitis Sicca (KCS) (Dry Eye) – Predisposition for development

 

Persistent Pupillary Membranes (PPM) – Occurs

 

Generalized PRA (Progressive Rod-cone Degeneration) – later onset (usually older than one year)

 

Central PRA – Retinal Pigment Epithelial Dystrophy (RPED)

 

 

 

Ears - Congenital Deafness and Vestibular Disease (Reported)

 

 

 

Chronic Hepatitis

 

 

 

Familial Kidney Disease (Hereditary Nephritis)