looks like hancock it is

[socks 32,253]

You've only been looking on here for three weeks, it's a dog which could last you for 15 years not a plasma tv.

I waited for my lurcher for over a year because i wanted one from certain lines and it took me a good six months to find my new terrier.

The problem nowerdays is that everybody wants everything right now, that's the reason why everyone is up to there eye balls in debt and many thousands face loosing there homes.

Shepp

 

AMEN TO THAT

 

spot on i waited over a year for the right litter to get what i wanted ... as has been said they are with you for a long time so you need to make sure of your choice .........

 

 

[Guest reload]

Theres alot to be said for being patient in dogs

 

If you think puppy farms are OK, and that you don't want to increase your chances of decent dog from proven parents, get down to hancocks.

 

But one things for sure if its a bad one 'ye can never polish a turd'

 

Good luck and wait for a good breeding to come up, whats the rush

 

Ive seen some good ones

[countrymaid 2]

Ive only got a whippet/bedlington bitch puppy left and i dont know anyone with the sort of cross you want but i aggree you should wait till something comes up that you rearly want then settle for 2nd best. Have you thought about placing an ad in the countrymans of something like that.

[undisputed 1,664]

This is just going over old ground wi the Hancock is shite arguement it's already been covered in another thread in here so either read that or go see the man and make your own mind up. Opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one

[night moocher 41]

Really wished id followed this thread,reason is i,ve got my own collie/grey/saluki/grey in pup,due in 8 days

this mating has been planned and eagerly awaited by friends which i call good dog men.

4 have been reserved and by the look of her she,s not having many.

sire to these pups is bred the same way as bitch collie/grey/saluki/grey.

both sound day and night,excelent lungs and grit to keep going.

you would have been most welcome to buy a pup thats left[ not a runt that no one wants, just not picked]

pm me if your interested.

not a puppy peddler, these pups were purpouse bred for our own use.

this is the bitch.

[gaz 284]

Ah the old hancock bashing from the superior folk within the world of lurchers... must be about that time again then ffs.

 

Hancock breeds something that has a market...collie lurchers...no thats not right!!! with what ive had and what ive seen on the whole and in the right hands...DECENT COLLIE LURCHES!!! Now how many on here or anywhere else has consistenly bred decent dogs for well must be at least 3 decades now.....not many,yep theres gonna be a few shite dugs leave his kennels that im not disputing that but on the whole most are decent dogs that are very capable at their job and thats a fact...but from any litter of pups even from top dollar all singing and dancing proven lines ect ect and esp if in the wrong hands you can still end up with shite...and thats also a fact!!! but the guy cant be all bad if he turns out a very high percentage of good dogs rather than shite dogs considering how many he breeds.

 

SJM,you had a wee collie lurcher not that long ago there and im sure you dont have it anymore although i might be wrong,i know i read on here you werent too pleased with it and you were thinking of getting shot of it for these reasons,now im presuming you bred it yourself or it came from one of these worker to worker unions,now im not having a go as in so many words but you seem to know how to bring a dog on but still this collie lurcher that was if by all accounts from the breeding that folk should go for in capable hands didnt make the grade...then where is the facts that hancock should be avoided like he plauge for this type of breeding considering he breeds a right few decent dogs that does ? as i said not trying to stir things more trying to let folk see the big picture

[cumbye 36]

Ah the old hancock bashing from the superior folk within the world of lurchers... must be about that time again then ffs.

 

Hancock breeds something that has a market...collie lurchers...no thats not right!!! with what ive had and what ive seen on the whole and in the right hands...DECENT COLLIE LURCHES!!! Now how many on here or anywhere else has consistenly bred decent dogs for well must be at least 3 decades now.....not many,yep theres gonna be a few shite dugs leave his kennels that im not disputing that but on the whole most are decent dogs that are very capable at their job and thats a fact...but from any litter of pups even from top dollar all singing and dancing proven lines ect ect and esp if in the wrong hands you can still end up with shite...and thats also a fact!!! but the guy cant be all bad if he turns out a very high percentage of good dogs rather than shite dogs considering how many he breeds.

 

SJM,you had a wee collie lurcher not that long ago there and im sure you dont have it anymore although i might be wrong,i know i read on here you werent too pleased with it and you were thinking of getting shot of it for these reasons,now im presuming you bred it yourself or it came from one of these worker to worker unions,now im not having a go as in so many words but you seem to know how to bring a dog on but still this collie lurcher that was if by all accounts from the breeding that folk should go for in capable hands didnt make the grade...then where is the facts that hancock should be avoided like he plauge for this type of breeding considering he breeds a right few decent dogs that does ? as i said not trying to stir things more trying to let folk see the big picture

 

Ive seen a dozen or so hancock dogs over about 25 or so years,from 3/4 1/4 to the reverse,and everyone could fill a pot,and a couple that are about now that excell...This may sound a strange statement,as i would never buy a terrier that wasn"t out of generations of workers,but if iwanted a collie bred lurcher i"d give a hancock a crack........Not that i would,cant beat a bit of bully,but thats another debate!!!!!!. good luck mate,but as said before,you"ll only get out what you put in.......

[Guest hpool_hunter]

the thing that gets me , is not that fact its * hancock* but it gets attached to breeding , its just a name , there was a litter i seen in paper stated something along the lines of ,

 

saluki greyhound x hancock collie greyhound ( as the sire) , and was charging 300 quid a pup , when rang up by a freind of mine and asked if they would nock down on price he was met with the answer oOo no , these pups are hancock lines and are well sort after , now if people want to pay that , thats upto them , they pay the price and take a chance as with any other dog , the thing im trying to state is , why is that so differnt to putting a normal collie grey over a bitch , its just a name after all , it all seems to be about money , but on the other hand , they must be some good in them , otherwise why is this * name* so attached to everyone ,

 

but anyone can put a none working greyhound over a non working collie , or even greyhound to none working bull , and nock bull greyhounds out for 250/300 each because its * the thing to have* , people pay there money regardless ,

[Magpie 102]

Same old same old. Whats the point!?

 

You make up your own mind mate....... IF YOU DARE! but you risk ridicule and damnation from the high and mighty.

 

Tomo, the reason I bought my bitch from the Hancocks is that I specifically wanted a half cross Beardie, nothing else. I new, working parents or otherwise, that that is what I would get. I wouldn't have some demented old fool banging on about a line of lurcher that supposedly can have its family tree traced back for hundreds of years. A line of lurchers that contain everything under the sun, including some incredibly puzzling breeds, BUT! thats not he's telling you. They're tumbler, stumbler, Norfolk, Suffolk pit pony hounds, fecking mongrels more like! but hay as long as they work.

 

Now you might be able to find Border cross lurcher pups fairly easily, but Beardies are harder to come by.

They're just not as fashionable. The same could be said for Beardie x Border pups. I can almost guarantee that any litter of Beardie cross pups being bred at the moment will have originated from Hancock stock. If I'm wrong then I'll hold my hands up, but please prove it if you can.

 

The success I had with my first Beardie cross prompted me to have another it's as simple as that and although the stud was different it is still rich with Tom Muirheads blood lines. Most if not all genuine working Beardies contain Toms breeding somewhere in their lineage. So, no gamble to me.

 

At the end of the day if you don't like the 'puppy farmer' the don't buy his stock. I fecking hate tesco I think they feck everyone over, so I don't shop there. EASY!

 

To the question of working parents.

 

I wonder how many bull blooded lurchers have genuine working bull in their ancestry?

 

Does pulling bricks on a trolley constitute work?

 

How many of you have faith in your own breeding to breed form a dog that you have bred, but that has never seen work?

 

Do quality working blood lines simply diminish if a dog never sees work?

 

How many of you have bred from none working lurchers? I know for a fact there are quite a few of you out there. Some of you would be very surprised to find out that the dogs you own have none working lurchers in their ancestry.

 

Fair play to all, what ever cross you work. Enjoy your sport and don't let the real enemy stop you.

[Guest smashygadge]

end of the day why put a post up thats going to cause the same old slanging match about handcock their are other collie x greys out their if prepared to give the time to look,and wait.hancocks not the only breeder maybe the only one with a name.but even still you could get any x of dog and make it work given the time and effort .just because you get a certain dog dosnt mean it will go out work and fetch the rabbits home for you.or we would all have them in the kitchen cooking 2 and that would save on the women hassle as well

[frost 4]

Same old shite about Hancocks being useless.I have a 3/4 greyhound1/8 beardie 1/8 border bitch out of COPPER and LUKE and have had her 5 years and can quite honestly say i would match her against anyone of the hancock bashing fraternitys dogs.She has done Everything and i cannot fault her and the best bitch i ever had was a 3/4 greyhound 1/4 collie from hancock and beat all and sundry for years around here even taking 4 out of 4 hares twice.At the end of the day you get out them what you put into them and i have had dogs bred from WORKERS and some were decent some were useless but that is true for all breeds is it not?

end of the day why put a post up thats going to cause the same old slanging match about handcock their are other collie x greys out their if prepared to give the time to look,and wait.hancocks not the only breeder maybe the only one with a name.but even still you could get any x of dog and make it work given the time and effort .just because you get a certain dog dosnt mean it will go out work and fetch the rabbits home for you.or we would all have them in the kitchen cooking 2 and that would save on the women hassle as well

[Magpie 102]

You've only been looking on here for three weeks, it's a dog which could last you for 15 years not a plasma tv.

I waited for my lurcher for over a year because i wanted one from certain lines and it took me a good six months to find my new terrier.

The problem nowerdays is that everybody wants everything right now, that's the reason why everyone is up to there eye balls in debt and many thousands face loosing there homes.

Shepp

 

AMEN TO THAT

 

spot on i waited over a year for the right litter to get what i wanted ... as has been said they are with you for a long time so you need to make sure of your choice .........

 

 

 

I also waited, and waited some more. When I frist enquired no one was breeding Beardie lurchers. If I wanted a bull or a saluki then fine, but no Beardies not even Hancock. Then i get a call from them "we've just bred a litter of Beardie half crosses". Great so I wait and wait some more to see how they turned out. I was in now hurry to buy as I was still happy chasing about the country after rare birds. Four litters later and the feed back is good so then I buy, happy with my decision.

 

 

Pic taken in Ireland

[Guest WILF]

Enjoy your sport and don't let the real enemy stop you.

 

Never questioned the dogs ability, but the farmers spewing out litter upon litter of pups are one of the fecking enemy.

 

Nothing personal its just I wouldnt give c**ts like that my money if they owned the last dog on earth.

[Guest smashygadge]

Same old shite about Hancocks being useless.I have a 3/4 greyhound1/8 beardie 1/8 border bitch out of COPPER and LUKE and have had her 5 years and can quite honestly say i would match her against anyone of the hancock bashing fraternitys dogs.She has done Everything and i cannot fault her and the best bitch i ever had was a 3/4 greyhound 1/4 collie from hancock and beat all and sundry for years around here even taking 4 out of 4 hares twice.At the end of the day you get out them what you put into them and i have had dogs bred from WORKERS and some were decent some were useless but that is true for all breeds is it not?

end of the day why put a post up thats going to cause the same old slanging match about handcock their are other collie x greys out their if prepared to give the time to look,and wait.hancocks not the only breeder maybe the only one with a name.but even still you could get any x of dog and make it work given the time and effort .just because you get a certain dog dosnt mean it will go out work and fetch the rabbits home for you.or we would all have them in the kitchen cooking 2 and that would save on the women hassle as well

 

 

 

tiss all true i feel this thread is just another reason to give somone a bad name .when at the end of the day their are collie x out their i even gave the guy a number for one .now we have another hancock bashin its been done so many times .the seasons nearly upon us have we no new subects to chat over

[Guest ooty]

rather have a pure working collie than a pup from two parents that dont eveh know what daylight is,iv seen them in the feild,the only thing they have going for them is the g,hound dams hav chased a plastic hare round the track,you could go for the heavyer g,hound blooded ones he farms if you must,