david riley 0 Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Hi my name is david looking for harris hawk between 18months and 3 years price range between £200-£250 If anybody could please contact me on 07597124319 that would be excellent thanks very much david. Quote Link to post
Kat 3 Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Hi my name is david looking for harris hawk between 18months and 3 years price range between £200-£250 If anybody could please contact me on 07597124319 that would be excellent thanks very much david. Hi David, just curious but why don't you want an 08 bird? Is this your first? Quote Link to post
david riley 0 Posted August 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Hi my name is david looking for harris hawk between 18months and 3 years price range between £200-£250 If anybody could please contact me on 07597124319 that would be excellent thanks very much david. Hi David, just curious but why don't you want an 08 bird? Is this your first? yes this is my 1st bird and i have been advised by friends who are falconers to get a bird within this age range which are already trained. david Quote Link to post
Kat 3 Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Hi my name is david looking for harris hawk between 18months and 3 years price range between £200-£250 If anybody could please contact me on 07597124319 that would be excellent thanks very much david. Hi David, just curious but why don't you want an 08 bird? Is this your first? yes this is my 1st bird and i have been advised by friends who are falconers to get a bird within this age range which are already trained. david Thats really very unusual David. Theres a big chance you'll buy a lot of problems. Of course not every already trained bird is a bad one but are you experienced enough to spot the difference? Its more usually recommended that you but a bird of the year and grow and learn together and that way you will have an indepth relationship with the animal and know theres no hidden issues. You also learn far more and understand the way the bird behaves far better in my opinion. The only way i'd ever consider a 2nd hand bird was if it came from someone who I already knew well and i'd knowledge of the bird already. For example ive a female here, 2yrs flies free, but god help a beginner around her but shes fat and quiet at the moment and it would be easy to sell her to someone in your situation and then as you brought her weight down the hazard warning lights begin to flash.. I hope you see the posibilities of an older bird not always being ideal.. just remember 'All that glitters isnt gold' Quote Link to post
david riley 0 Posted August 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Hi my name is david looking for harris hawk between 18months and 3 years price range between £200-£250 If anybody could please contact me on 07597124319 that would be excellent thanks very much david. Hi David, just curious but why don't you want an 08 bird? Is this your first? yes this is my 1st bird and i have been advised by friends who are falconers to get a bird within this age range which are already trained. david Thats really very unusual David. Theres a big chance you'll buy a lot of problems. Of course not every already trained bird is a bad one but are you experienced enough to spot the difference? Its more usually recommended that you but a bird of the year and grow and learn together and that way you will have an indepth relationship with the animal and know theres no hidden issues. You also learn far more and understand the way the bird behaves far better in my opinion. The only way i'd ever consider a 2nd hand bird was if it came from someone who I already knew well and i'd knowledge of the bird already. For example ive a female here, 2yrs flies free, but god help a beginner around her but shes fat and quiet at the moment and it would be easy to sell her to someone in your situation and then as you brought her weight down the hazard warning lights begin to flash.. I hope you see the posibilities of an older bird not always being ideal.. just remember 'All that glitters isnt gold' the only thing is i do not have any experience with the birds at all in training so i could end up training them the wrong way and hen when i come to let the bird off the glove and let it fly free it might just do one on me! if i get a bird thats trainied then maybe i could learn from thebird and also my friends who already have birds! what do you think i should do? david Quote Link to post
Kat 3 Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Hi my name is david looking for harris hawk between 18months and 3 years price range between £200-£250 If anybody could please contact me on 07597124319 that would be excellent thanks very much david. Hi David, just curious but why don't you want an 08 bird? Is this your first? yes this is my 1st bird and i have been advised by friends who are falconers to get a bird within this age range which are already trained. david Thats really very unusual David. Theres a big chance you'll buy a lot of problems. Of course not every already trained bird is a bad one but are you experienced enough to spot the difference? Its more usually recommended that you but a bird of the year and grow and learn together and that way you will have an indepth relationship with the animal and know theres no hidden issues. You also learn far more and understand the way the bird behaves far better in my opinion. The only way i'd ever consider a 2nd hand bird was if it came from someone who I already knew well and i'd knowledge of the bird already. For example ive a female here, 2yrs flies free, but god help a beginner around her but shes fat and quiet at the moment and it would be easy to sell her to someone in your situation and then as you brought her weight down the hazard warning lights begin to flash.. I hope you see the posibilities of an older bird not always being ideal.. just remember 'All that glitters isnt gold' the only thing is i do not have any experience with the birds at all in training so i could end up training them the wrong way and hen when i come to let the bird off the glove and let it fly free it might just do one on me! if i get a bird thats trainied then maybe i could learn from thebird and also my friends who already have birds! what do you think i should do? david I understand your worry and the reason you're thinking these thoughts but I can assure you that with no real experience you stand every chance of a 2-3 yr old bird buggering off too! Its experience will be in its hunting prowess not purely its social skills. It will still require a certain level of manning and management and you're possibly going to find yourself a little up the proverbial creek. A bird of the year will know nothing and therefore be a blank canvas for you to begin. A parent reared bird will be ideal and you'll learn together. As its fear of you subsides and its hunger increases there'll be a point where the penny drops. Once he's feeding off the glove and the trust is growing you can start to train him. Have you got a suitable aviary ready? scales? food supplier? avian vet access? permission for fur and/or feather? travel box? telemetry? mentor? I seriously suggest at least you get some books and ask lots of questions before you consider getting a bird, but thats my opinion lol Very best of luck whatever you decide and if you need more help ASK! Quote Link to post
Ruger8 0 Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Definately get a young bird mate !!! Do some homework read a couple of books and watch a few videos. Get some advice off a experienced falconer, frankly the advice you have been given makes very little sense. WHEN youve got the principles sorted in your head ALL the equipment such as scales and suitable housing etc and if you still want to go ahead then do it. Its not rocket science to train a Harris IF you do your homework and youve got help at hand. If you rush into it you will make a complete hash of things. You will learn about weight control and response as you teach the bird, this is the basis of falconry. To have a already trained bird and then try and fly it free without this knowledge will not work. Its not like getting a good working lurcher and just taking up where the other guy left off. Then main buzz with falconry is training the bird, dont miss out and dont rush in !!!!! Quote Link to post
david riley 0 Posted August 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Hi my name is david looking for harris hawk between 18months and 3 years price range between £200-£250 If anybody could please contact me on 07597124319 that would be excellent thanks very much david. Hi David, just curious but why don't you want an 08 bird? Is this your first? yes this is my 1st bird and i have been advised by friends who are falconers to get a bird within this age range which are already trained. david Thats really very unusual David. Theres a big chance you'll buy a lot of problems. Of course not every already trained bird is a bad one but are you experienced enough to spot the difference? Its more usually recommended that you but a bird of the year and grow and learn together and that way you will have an indepth relationship with the animal and know theres no hidden issues. You also learn far more and understand the way the bird behaves far better in my opinion. The only way i'd ever consider a 2nd hand bird was if it came from someone who I already knew well and i'd knowledge of the bird already. For example ive a female here, 2yrs flies free, but god help a beginner around her but shes fat and quiet at the moment and it would be easy to sell her to someone in your situation and then as you brought her weight down the hazard warning lights begin to flash.. I hope you see the posibilities of an older bird not always being ideal.. just remember 'All that glitters isnt gold' the only thing is i do not have any experience with the birds at all in training so i could end up training them the wrong way and hen when i come to let the bird off the glove and let it fly free it might just do one on me! if i get a bird thats trainied then maybe i could learn from thebird and also my friends who already have birds! what do you think i should do? david I understand your worry and the reason you're thinking these thoughts but I can assure you that with no real experience you stand every chance of a 2-3 yr old bird buggering off too! Its experience will be in its hunting prowess not purely its social skills. It will still require a certain level of manning and management and you're possibly going to find yourself a little up the proverbial creek. A bird of the year will know nothing and therefore be a blank canvas for you to begin. A parent reared bird will be ideal and you'll learn together. As its fear of you subsides and its hunger increases there'll be a point where the penny drops. Once he's feeding off the glove and the trust is growing you can start to train him. Have you got a suitable aviary ready? scales? food supplier? avian vet access? permission for fur and/or feather? travel box? telemetry? mentor? I seriously suggest at least you get some books and ask lots of questions before you consider getting a bird, but thats my opinion lol Very best of luck whatever you decide and if you need more help ASK! HI kat yes i have scales, a food supplier. My aviry got delivered to me yesterday, a have two mentors, a travel box i am investing in soon and the friends who are taking me under there wing so to speak have the permission to hunt on grounds by were we live! the only thing i do not have is a telemetry. Quote Link to post
Kat 3 Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Hi my name is david looking for harris hawk between 18months and 3 years price range between £200-£250 If anybody could please contact me on 07597124319 that would be excellent thanks very much david. Hi David, just curious but why don't you want an 08 bird? Is this your first? yes this is my 1st bird and i have been advised by friends who are falconers to get a bird within this age range which are already trained. david Thats really very unusual David. Theres a big chance you'll buy a lot of problems. Of course not every already trained bird is a bad one but are you experienced enough to spot the difference? Its more usually recommended that you but a bird of the year and grow and learn together and that way you will have an indepth relationship with the animal and know theres no hidden issues. You also learn far more and understand the way the bird behaves far better in my opinion. The only way i'd ever consider a 2nd hand bird was if it came from someone who I already knew well and i'd knowledge of the bird already. For example ive a female here, 2yrs flies free, but god help a beginner around her but shes fat and quiet at the moment and it would be easy to sell her to someone in your situation and then as you brought her weight down the hazard warning lights begin to flash.. I hope you see the posibilities of an older bird not always being ideal.. just remember 'All that glitters isnt gold' the only thing is i do not have any experience with the birds at all in training so i could end up training them the wrong way and hen when i come to let the bird off the glove and let it fly free it might just do one on me! if i get a bird thats trainied then maybe i could learn from thebird and also my friends who already have birds! what do you think i should do? david I understand your worry and the reason you're thinking these thoughts but I can assure you that with no real experience you stand every chance of a 2-3 yr old bird buggering off too! Its experience will be in its hunting prowess not purely its social skills. It will still require a certain level of manning and management and you're possibly going to find yourself a little up the proverbial creek. A bird of the year will know nothing and therefore be a blank canvas for you to begin. A parent reared bird will be ideal and you'll learn together. As its fear of you subsides and its hunger increases there'll be a point where the penny drops. Once he's feeding off the glove and the trust is growing you can start to train him. Have you got a suitable aviary ready? scales? food supplier? avian vet access? permission for fur and/or feather? travel box? telemetry? mentor? I seriously suggest at least you get some books and ask lots of questions before you consider getting a bird, but thats my opinion lol Very best of luck whatever you decide and if you need more help ASK! HI kat yes i have scales, a food supplier. My aviry got delivered to me yesterday, a have two mentors, a travel box i am investing in soon and the friends who are taking me under there wing so to speak have the permission to hunt on grounds by were we live! the only thing i do not have is a telemetry. Thats better than id expected lol.. But do consider the bird of the year option as I think you may get on a lot better and in the long run have a really well trained bird and all your own work. Good luck! Quote Link to post
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