strong black pups

[francolin 449]

FRANCOLIN very true, though not entirely sure where your coming from. That is exactly the point, this is why terriers are stolen to order. Litters are very time consuming, expensive to rear, especially from highly prized stock like anything I ever breed is from. Keg did me a very big favour lending me his superb bitch that is of course very well bred.

And my dog is so rare it's hardly worth digging too, it took a lot of obtaining and was expensive, I am lucky to own it. That coupled with rising costs of everything HAS made litters the price they are, coupled with the fact I want decent, permanent homes for them, hence the price. I am keeping a dog and a bitch so is keg. The last one is sold now anyway, so that is that.

 

If all good terrier stock was £40 then it would be rediculous to steal them. How many Patterdale litters do you ever see that wont shift anyway hey? They fly out the kennel! Short life expectancies and a hugely popular breed is generally the reason for a healthy market. And another thing, to those obsessed with testing there stock to destruction, you can very soon end up with no stock at all! And bear this in mind also........

 

In many animal-breeding programs the entire process of selection and management is founded on the belief that performance is inherited. Attempts to analyze the genetics of performance in a systematic way have involved some distinguished names such as Charles Darwin and Francis Galton. But it has only been in recent decades that good estimates of heritability of performance have been based on adequate data. Cunningham (1991) in his study of horses found that only by using Timeform data, and measuring groups of half brothers and half sisters could good estimates of performance be determined. His data shows that performance for speed is about 35% heritable. In other words only about 35% of all the variation that is observed in track performance is controlled by heritable factors, the remaining 65% are attributable to other influences, such as training, management and nutrition. Cunningham's work while limited to horses provides a good basis for understanding how much breeders can attribute to the genetics and the pedigrees.

Researchers have studied this phenomena and have looked for new ways to stimulate individuals in order to improve their natural abilities. Some of the methods discovered have produced life long lasting effects. Today, many of the differences between individuals can now be explained by the use of early stimulation methods.

 

I have been doing this long enough, and also producing quality gear for long enough to know what works and does not. The proof is in my dogs, any dogs not satisfied with I buy back money in full when entered at a sensible age!!

 

keep your pathetic jealous opinions to yourself, and thanks for your support people here with a bit more about them, cheers. (labsnlurchers)

 

WITHOUT A DOUBT THIS IS THE BIGGEST LOAD OF SHITE I HAVE EVER READ OR HEARD.D I CAN T BELIEVE THIS SHIT YOUR ONLY AFTER POSTING .WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WORKING TERRIERS.YOU HAVE BEEN BREEDING OFF A WHITE BITCH WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN TO GROUND?

YOUR TERRIER HAS ONLY BEEN DUG 3 TIMES,CAUSE ITS TOO GOOD TO LOSE?

IF WHAT YOUR RESEARCH SAYS IS TRUE,WHY NOT PICK UP A CUR OF THE STREET AND TRAIN IT TO WORK?

AND IF WHAT YOUR RESEARCH SAYS IS TRUE THEN WHY £350

AND IF WHAT YOUR RESEASRCH SAYS IS TRUE THEN IS WORK NOT TRAINING FOR A WORKING TERRIER?

good on yer for reading through this lot, fxxxed my head up with first line ,if a bitch has not done a good few seasons work why breed , worth too much to risk working to ground, pups will get plenty of work ect LOAD OF BOLLOCKS

[francolin 449]

yes wanting good money from unproven stock. having a dog that you say is to good to work incase you lose it is the biggest load a shite i'v ever heard who dares win's . get it grafted..

my point , i dont give a flying fxxk about a bit of dog shit in a pic,but to say breed from a bitch of good lines that has done no graft ,but the pups will get plenty of work is crap , proven worker to worker is surely the best way to protect the working terrier for future generations ,

[billyb 0]

well fed bitch x 1. if you don't the milk can dry up, no good at 2 weeks!!!

1 bitch... that's a lot of shit

you obviousley havent ever bred ya own litter gobshite

[damashaman 1]

Simple thing is queers is a dog will eventually either jib or die, depending on how much throttle some of you idiots let them have. you would not breed from a jibber, no matter how good he was previous, that is the mentality of half wit terrier men. The dogs are only as good as there last dig. And you can't breed from a dead dog. aS THE ONLY TRUE DEAD GAME DOGS ARE DEAD DOGS! My black dog is dead game I can see it, that is why i am holding him back, until I have some more cards to gamble with, spelling it out like you are 3 year olds cos I have too, AGAIN!

[lukey 1,621]

You got some balls coming on here n hitting out with this shite!! Are all your pups away to working homes or pet homes? Or dont it matter to you??

[Waz 4,265]

yes wanting good money from unproven stock. having a dog that you say is to good to work incase you lose it is the biggest load a shite i'v ever heard who dares win's . get it grafted..

my point , i dont give a flying fxxk about a bit of dog shit in a pic,but to say breed from a bitch of good lines that has done no graft ,but the pups will get plenty of work is crap , proven worker to worker is surely the best way to protect the working terrier for future generations ,

 

Exactly as Francolin said.

[swanseajack 227]

well fed bitch x 1. if you don't the milk can dry up, no good at 2 weeks!!!

1 bitch... that's a lot of shit

you obviousley havent ever bred ya own litter gobshite

 

Those that in the vitreous humor dwell, should not the rapid missile propel....

 

makes me laugh !!!!

 

and I was staying out of this thread I've said my bit, I know what I think,

 

fancy calling me a gobshite,

 

messer!!!

[francolin 449]

yes wanting good money from unproven stock. having a dog that you say is to good to work incase you lose it is the biggest load a shite i'v ever heard who dares win's . get it grafted..

my point , i dont give a flying fxxk about a bit of dog shit in a pic,but to say breed from a bitch of good lines that has done no graft ,but the pups will get plenty of work is crap , proven worker to worker is surely the best way to protect the working terrier for future generations ,

 

Exactly as Francolin said.

at last somebody sees where i am comeing from , test working ability for a reasonable length of time befor breeding , then breed to tested stock of similar lines ,work the offspring then breed from any that make good ens or to make money BREED OF ANY OLD UNWORKED TERRIER IF IT LOOKS HALF RIGHT.

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

you obviousley havent ever bred ya own litter gobshite

 

 

From novice to expert in just 6 months! Classic...

[crowhill 6]

"THE ONLY TRUE DEAD GAME DOGS ARE DEAD DOGS! My black dog is dead game I can see it,"

 

A bit of a contradiction......

[swanseajack 227]

well fed bitch x 1. if you don't the milk can dry up, no good at 2 weeks!!!

1 bitch... that's a lot of shit

you obviousley havent ever bred ya own litter gobshite

 

made me laugh, have another look !!!!

 

From novice to expert in just 6 months! Classic...

 

Don't you just love it, I had to post it again, just in case anyone missed it.... he called me a gobshite.....

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

well fed bitch x 1. if you don't the milk can dry up, no good at 2 weeks!!!

1 bitch... that's a lot of shit

you obviousley havent ever bred ya own litter gobshite

 

made me laugh, have another look !!!!

 

From novice to expert in just 6 months! Classic...

 

Don't you just love it, I had to post it again, just in case anyone missed it.... he called me a gobshite.....

 

BUMP

[swag 54]

FRANCOLIN very true, though not entirely sure where your coming from. That is exactly the point, this is why terriers are stolen to order. Litters are very time consuming, expensive to rear, especially from highly prized stock like anything I ever breed is from. Keg did me a very big favour lending me his superb bitch that is of course very well bred.

And my dog is so rare it's hardly worth digging too, it took a lot of obtaining and was expensive, I am lucky to own it. That coupled with rising costs of everything HAS made litters the price they are, coupled with the fact I want decent, permanent homes for them, hence the price. I am keeping a dog and a bitch so is keg. The last one is sold now anyway, so that is that.

 

If all good terrier stock was £40 then it would be rediculous to steal them. How many Patterdale litters do you ever see that wont shift anyway hey? They fly out the kennel! Short life expectancies and a hugely popular breed is generally the reason for a healthy market. And another thing, to those obsessed with testing there stock to destruction, you can very soon end up with no stock at all! And bear this in mind also........

 

In many animal-breeding programs the entire process of selection and management is founded on the belief that performance is inherited. Attempts to analyze the genetics of performance in a systematic way have involved some distinguished names such as Charles Darwin and Francis Galton. But it has only been in recent decades that good estimates of heritability of performance have been based on adequate data. Cunningham (1991) in his study of horses found that only by using Timeform data, and measuring groups of half brothers and half sisters could good estimates of performance be determined. His data shows that performance for speed is about 35% heritable. In other words only about 35% of all the variation that is observed in track performance is controlled by heritable factors, the remaining 65% are attributable to other influences, such as training, management and nutrition. Cunningham's work while limited to horses provides a good basis for understanding how much breeders can attribute to the genetics and the pedigrees.

Researchers have studied this phenomena and have looked for new ways to stimulate individuals in order to improve their natural abilities. Some of the methods discovered have produced life long lasting effects. Today, many of the differences between individuals can now be explained by the use of early stimulation methods.

 

I have been doing this long enough, and also producing quality gear for long enough to know what works and does not. The proof is in my dogs, any dogs not satisfied with I buy back money in full when entered at a sensible age!!

 

keep your pathetic jealous opinions to yourself, and thanks for your support people here with a bit more about them, cheers. (labsnlurchers)

you f*****g idiot it ya dogs were that good they would all have homes before they were born, ya thought you would be coming on here acting hard aqnd ya got ruined ha ha haha ha

pratt

[sniper 30]

There must be great money in pups.I never sold a pup in my life gave them away for nothing to good terrier men.i get worried for the working terrier when i see people trying to sell pups on this forum.Money never bothered me when it came to dogs the dogs were more important

i have to agree with you mate i would rather see pups go to good WORKING homes than over price them , pups are f*****g rip offs these days ,,

[Guest SJM]

That study was done on horses can you provide any factual data that relates to the subject in hand ie WORKING DOGS?