para1 11 Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 death traps Years ago before locator's where invented and before a lot of you where born muzzle's where used as a way of ensuring that the ferret didn't kill,a rabbit in those days would have been, to most,a Sunday dinner. ferrets were used to pouch so the poacher couldn't hang about waiting for the ferret to come out.In most cases the ferret came to no harm a man trying to feed his family wasn't concerned for the ferrets welfare. These days of course we have the locater and we ferret for fun not to feed the kids so the muzzle which was a handy tool has gone.There was never a muzzle that was stitched to the ferrets lips. Quote Link to post
scothunter 12,609 Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 death traps Years ago before locator's where invented and before a lot of you where born muzzle's where used as a way of ensuring that the ferret didn't kill,a rabbit in those days would have been, to most,a Sunday dinner. ferrets were used to pouch so the poacher couldn't hang about waiting for the ferret to come out.In most cases the ferret came to no harm a man trying to feed his family wasn't concerned for the ferrets welfare. These days of course we have the locater and we ferret for fun not to feed the kids so the muzzle which was a handy tool has gone.There was never a muzzle that was stitched to the ferrets lips. I understand all you said and made a good point.But i like to think we have moved on a bit from the draconian measures we used to do.Oh and there certainly was a practise of stitching a ferrets lips together.I have read it on numerous occasions.Like i saiod thank god we dont practise some of the things done in the past. Quote Link to post
The one 8,477 Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Years ago before locator's where invented and before a lot of you where born muzzle's where used as a way of ensuring that the ferret didn't kill,a rabbit in those days would have been, to most,a Sunday dinner. ferrets were used to pouch so the poacher couldn't hang about waiting for the ferret to come out.In most cases the ferret came to no harm a man trying to feed his family wasn't concerned for the ferrets welfare. These days of course we have the locater and we ferret for fun not to feed the kids so the muzzle which was a handy tool has gone.There was never a muzzle that was stitched to the ferrets lips. Years ago every rabbit counted you needed them to feed your large family ,theres no place nodays for muzzles if a long list of stuff iv'e bolted over the years apart from rabbit's where if the ferret was muzzled it would have came off second best.The only excuse for buying muzzles these day's is for a collector iten definitly NOT FOR USE IN THE FIELD Quote Link to post
dawnraider 2 Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 my old man once told me about an evil old who would snap of the teeth of a ferret with a pair of pliers to stop it killing underground,i suppose there is a time and place for muzzles but there not for me , i dont mind digging now and then lol Quote Link to post
masmiffy 82 Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 my old man once told me about an evil old who would snap of the teeth of a ferret with a pair of pliers to stop it killing underground,i suppose there is a time and place for muzzles but there not for me , i dont mind digging now and then lol Have heard of this myself. They used to snip of the points of the canines to stop biting and killing! Quote Link to post
Guest coopermurphy3 Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 dont use if a ferret kills a rabbit so be it Quote Link to post
Guest coopermurphy3 Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 dont use if a ferret kills a rabbit so be it Quote Link to post
Guest bigredbusa Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 ive used em years ago and never had a problem with em but have the mk3 but a valid point was made about hobs killing this time of year so would save a lot of digging . but im probably wrong Quote Link to post
dawnraider 2 Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 ive used em years ago and never had a problem with em but have the mk3 but a valid point was made about hobs killing this time of year so would save a lot of digging . but im probably wrong dont worry bigred you would be wrong if you said the GRASS was greener on outher side of fence as well lol Quote Link to post
jultaylor1972 2 Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Personally, I wouldn't use them on my ferrets; I couldn't bear to think of them lost and unable to eat/ defend themselves - but I can see why they were used - for instance; when there was no such thing as locator collars and people had to poach in order to feed their families, the loss of a ferret on a lay up may well have meant peoples families had to go hungry whilst waiting for the ferret to emerge, muzzles were probably seen as more humane than removing the teeth in their day or sewing the lips together but people had to survive and they were the methods of their day, thankfully we have moved on since then and times and technology has changed. I'd rather spend hours digging to my ferret in summer months than muzzling them - but then, Ive got the time to do that and pest control isn't my livelihood, rabbit control is my hobby so Ive got the choice, I should imagine that there are people who; like in days gone by have to rely on traditional methods to use ferrets to control rabbits for the same reason as days gone by 'To feed their families' - Im not going to condemn those people, Im just trying to be level headed about a difficult issue. Quote Link to post
timmmy 0 Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Personally, I wouldn't use them on my ferrets; I couldn't bear to think of them lost and unable to eat/ defend themselves - but I can see why they were used - for instance; when there was no such thing as locator collars and people had to poach in order to feed their families, the loss of a ferret on a lay up may well have meant peoples families had to go hungry whilst waiting for the ferret to emerge, muzzles were probably seen as more humane than removing the teeth in their day or sewing the lips together but people had to survive and they were the methods of their day, thankfully we have moved on since then and times and technology has changed. I'd rather spend hours digging to my ferret in summer months than muzzling them - but then, Ive got the time to do that and pest control isn't my livelihood, rabbit control is my hobby so Ive got the choice, I should imagine that there are people who; like in days gone by have to rely on traditional methods to use ferrets to control rabbits for the same reason as days gone by 'To feed their families' - Im not going to condemn those people, Im just trying to be level headed about a difficult issue. Thats a good attatude to have A lot of hypocrites on here. We ask for tolerance don't we? With some of the member in here we don't need anti's. as long as the way they do things is ok then f**k everyone else. I have never used a muzzle and so far i cant see the need for ME to use one but if it works for someone else then good on them. All this they might bump into somthing or they may starve. What if the bump into mr fox below ground, i cant see them lasting too long with or without a muzzle, or if they wander off and get there locator collar caught and starve. All part of the risk of working your animals Quote Link to post
victor 10 Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 i would never use one , for the simple reason your ferret has no means to defend its self,i didnt think anyone now days would put their ferret in to those kind of circumstances true but what does your ferrets have to protect them selvs from? over here we got snakes. but what do you have ?? not taking the piss, just interisted;) Quote Link to post
The one 8,477 Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Ive had rats ,foxes, cats,little owls ,stoats weasels ect bolted from rabbit burrows theres no place in todays ferreting sport for muzzles Quote Link to post
Guest bigredbusa Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 dont worry bigred you would be wrong if you said the GRASS was greener on outher side of fence as well lol i suppose they could be in a bit of trouble if they come across a big old GRASS snake Quote Link to post
fergie 0 Posted August 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 dont worry bigred you would be wrong if you said the GRASS was greener on outher side of fence as well lol i suppose they could be in a bit of trouble if they come across a big old GRASS snake or an Adder Quote Link to post
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