sawn off shotgun

[waz77 15]

Like i say im no gunsmith so i may be wrong,i think i read it somewhere,but i think the area where the forcing cones are is'nt as hard as the rest of the barrel and cutting it back too far can cause longitude splits,i suppose it depends how much your wanting off really.Is Baldie not on here anymore? He knew his stuff about things like that

[SportingShooter 0]

There are a few basic definitions which need to be looked at here.

 

A shotgun on an SGC must not go below 24" as said before.

 

A rifle may be no less than 12".

 

A pistol is classed as anything below 12"

 

A pistol is only allowed in the UK under the current law for the humane despatch of animals and as slaughter equipment.

 

And as Leveller and Ditch have pointed out the relevant paper work is already there.

 

Check with your firearms department Levs, ring them and ask them if You can buy a normal shotgun as defined and then go about cutting the barrels to below 12" yourself. It may well be the case that they say, you can buy it on an SGC, cut it down to a pistol, and then simply inform them that the gun is now an FAC pistol and can be removed from your SGC and put on your FAC.

 

As regards the barrels being weakened by the cutting down of the barrels;

 

If the barrel were to be cut as short as the forcing cones you would end up cutting through the first third of the action block and so completely ruining the gun as well as being downright daft.

 

Your best bet is to cut the barrel about an inch infront of the forend so about 10-12" or barrel will remain depending on the length of forend.

 

Regards

SS

[waz77 15]

Would the gun have to be re-proofed after being shortened SS?

[Trex 0]

I believe you will get an answer on the correct legal approach to this issue on the site below

 

http://www.cybershooters.org/phpBB2/index....25f3a121072562d

 

at a guess, probably a case of ensuring humane killer is on FAC, purchase .410 on SGC, chop down barrel and stock yourself and register it onto existing FAC, removing it from SGC. The Police will probably write this onto the FAC themselves - ask at above site and then approach local FLO with foreknowledge.

 

not a well known fact but you are legally entitled to construct your own firearm and it is easier to do this from scratch rather than bought in second hand parts.

 

If the firearm is for personnal use it should "not" require Proofing unless sold on.

 

regds

[Trex 0]

I'm unable to edit the above,

 

At the Forum mentioned above there is an area titled Legal Issues IIRC this cannot be seen unless you are registered.

 

Maybe stick it in Miscellaneous Items if you do not want to register.

 

Good luck and believe me when I say you will not get grief there but do make it clear you have authorisation for humane killer/pistol.

 

regds

[SportingShooter 0]

Would the gun have to be re-proofed after being shortened SS?

 

As said above, there is no need if you intend to keep the gun to yourself but if it is to be sold then you can still sell it to another person in a private sale unproofed, nothing illegal about that, it is only illegal for an RFD to sell you an out of proof gun.

 

For personal safety and consideration to others I would still prefer to have the gun re proofed. It makes sense to be as careful as possible after tampering or altering a gun.

 

Regards

SS

[whippeter94 0]

It is an offence under the firearms act to shorten a shotgun barrell shorter than 24" but a firearm dealer may do so to raplace a broken part of the gun

[SportingShooter 0]

It is an offence under the firearms act to shorten a shotgun barrell shorter than 24" but a firearm dealer may do so to raplace a broken part of the gun

You are technically correct in that only a dealer may do it whilst the gun is on a SGC. But I would argue that If a FAC is held with a slot for either a shorter than 24" Barreled shotgun or a pistol with a Barrel less than 12" then there is no offence committed. But there may be other technicalities. But seen as the FAC in question has a slot for a .410 pistol then he is breaking no law by possessing one as long as he informs them within 7 days as usual as he already has the authority. The only issue I can see is whether the Licensing Dept will let him transfer it from one to the other.

 

Regards

SS

[Guest Leveller]

I think I'm just gonna have to spend the money and buy a proper pistol to be honest I've spoken to a couple of smiths now and I'm even more confused than when I first started

 

thanks for all the replies

[JOE BLOCKY 0]

It is an offence under the firearms act to shorten a shotgun barrell shorter than 24" but a firearm dealer may do so to raplace a broken part of the gun

 

 

 

 

Correct, if you want to own a short barrell shot gun ie. under 24" you need to get an FAC and provide a good reason.

[gilly-93 31]

why would you want one anyway out of intrest

[vincy 3]

try www.wildcatrifes.co.uk he's the man to speak too mate tell him vince said he's a top bloke and should be able to help you out

[Guest Leveller]

why would you want one anyway out of intrest

 

vermin control

[biffo 0]

" 2.4 “Shot gun†means a smooth-bore gun

(not being an air gun) which:......

 

 

.....Best regards,

Grim.

 

 

i know this isnt on topic but i couldnt help wondering if that means i could have a modern manufactured musket on my SGC?

 

ty

[SportingShooter 0]

" 2.4 “Shot gun†means a smooth-bore gun

(not being an air gun) which:......

 

 

.....Best regards,

Grim.

 

 

i know this isnt on topic but i couldnt help wondering if that means i could have a modern manufactured musket on my SGC?

 

ty

You could have a modern or an antique one as long as the barrel is over 24" long and is unrifled. The majority of smoothbore musket have very long barrels so this would satisfy the condition.

 

If you buy an antique one, you will more than likely buy it off licence, as it is an antique, but if you intend to fire it, then it must be entered on your SGC and your department informed.

 

The same cannot be said of those of modern manufacture, they need to be put on licence from the start as they are obviously not classed as an antique weapon and so, not exempt.

 

Regards

SS