sawn off shotgun

[Guest Leveller]

I am not having much luck sourcing a pistol for the right money. I don't want anything fancy just functional. I don't want to spend more than £200 so I was thinking of buying a secondhand folding .410 which I can find easily for under £100 but I have no idea how much a gunsmith would charge to shorten the barrel I would happily do the work to the stock but does anybody now what I'd get charged roughly for the work?.

 

Alternatively has anybody seen any cheap .410 pistols on their travels

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Does it Have To Be done by a Gunsmith, mate? How many criminals walk into a shop and ask to have their 12 bore shortened?

 

I'd have thought mini disc cutter and job done, surely?

[Guest Leveller]

It will be on my ticket ditch

[rob the dog 0]

have you tried the chap over highbridge way.

[Grim Reaper 1]

. . . . but I have no idea how much a gunsmith would charge to shorten the barrel I would happily do the work to the stock but does anybody now what I'd get charged roughly for the work?.

 

Alternatively has anybody seen any cheap .410 pistols on their travels

 

 

Hi Leveller,

 

I saw your post and am just wondering if you was aware of the possible implications in the shortening of a shotgun barrel? I mean, i know you can shorten the barrel quite legally, to an extent, but i have the following excerpt taken from the Home Office publication " Firearms law - guidance to police"

 

" 2.4 “Shot gun†means a smooth-bore gun

(not being an air gun) which:

a) has a barrel not less than 24 inches in

length and does not have any barrel with

a bore exceeding 2 inches in diameter.

In law, the length of the barrel is measured

from the muzzle to the point of ignition

(breech face). For a muzzle-loading gun,

the point of ignition may be taken as the

touch-hole or nipple that is nearest to

the breach. "

 

I don't want you to think i'm out to 'teach granny to suck eggs', because that isn't my intention at all - my intention is merely to make sure that you are aware off the implications, and that will help you make the right decision - thereby helping you to stay legal. I noticed in a later post you say that it [the shotgun] is to be on your ticket - that is why i felt it right to reply to this post - I too am an SGC holder and would hate to lose my ticket due to an honest oversight, like?.

 

 

Best regards,

Grim.

Edited July 27, 2008 by Grim Reaper

[Guest rexdigger]

got a 12 bore already done if you want that

[Rolfe 2]

Yes exactly as the Grim Reaper say's........you must stick to the SGC rules and regulations

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Actually, lads, I think ye'll find Lev's neither completely insane, uninformed or of criminal intent. He already holds the paper to possess a 'sawn off'. He just now needs to legally acquire one. All quite above board.

 

And that's where I see my own misapprehension; If he buys a .410 from the shop, it'll be recorded as a .410. If he then saws it down himself? He's rendering it an illegal .410. He's allowed to Own one. Not make one. That's my take on it, anyway.

[Grim Reaper 1]

Cheers for clearing it up DS, I must admit though, i truly wasn't aware that you could legally own a sawn-off - except maybe if it was first de-activated and then made a sawn-off later on? I say this while remembering that the legal definition of de-activated is to " Render it [the firearm concerened] incapable if discharging any shot, bullet or other missile "

 

I know the wording because its on the certificate of de-activation that i got with my son's M72 LAW rocket launcher i gave him for his birthday today! He likes it so much that if you were to try getting it from him, you'd end up dying first!! LMAO

 

Assuming you first get something de-activated and proofed as such, and then make an alteration to it (it having already been made incapable blah . . .blah . .) as long as you then get it reproofed as de-activated by either the London or Birmingham proof house, then it should be ok.

 

I am only guessing here so if anyone knows more on this do jump in.

 

Regards,

Grim.

[Guest fell terrier]

Cheers for clearing it up DS, I must admit though, i truly wasn't aware that you could legally own a sawn-off - except maybe if it was first de-activated and then made a sawn-off later on? I say this while remembering that the legal definition of de-activated is to " Render it [the firearm concerened] incapable if discharging any shot, bullet or other missile "

 

I know the wording because its on the certificate of de-activation that i got with my son's M72 LAW rocket launcher i gave him for his birthday today! He likes it so much that if you were to try getting it from him, you'd end up dying first!! LMAO

 

Assuming you first get something de-activated and proofed as such, and then make an alteration to it (it having already been made incapable blah . . .blah . .) as long as you then get it reproofed as de-activated by either the London or Birmingham proof house, then it should be ok.

 

I am only guessing here so if anyone knows more on this do jump in.

 

Regards,

Grim.

i think people are getting hold of the wrong stick the lad is after a shotgun pistol i presume for either terrier work or animal slaughter and from what i can gather is not prepared to pay big money for one as a 410 is relativley cheap he was wondering wether he could get a 410 modified which i think your answer is yes but it must be done by a registered gunsmith so that the said weapon is legal and re classified i use to use a 38 pistol for slaughtering horses last year and our boss use to hold a 410 pistol but sadly it broke thats why he went to the 38 the 410 pistol is a cracking little gun for terrierwork try entwistle guns mate i think they had one the other week when i went in for a look

[lgray88 4]

not to sure about all this , but i have a mate who owns a .410 pistol and when his licence was up for renewal a few years back the police told him that he could not own the weapon anymore , he explained that it was a passed down from several generations of his family they eventually agreed with him and he is now aloud to own the weapon but im not sure if he is covered to shoot it ???

 

liam

[waz77 15]

Im no gunsmith levs but i think the way the barrel is tempered would be different on a shot gun to that of a pistol,ive heard of people that have done it as DS suggested and had the barrel burst on them due to it weakening,obviously a gunsmith could give you more info tho.I have a number of a dealer who does pistols,not sure of the price of a .410 but he does .22 pistols for around £100-£150.

[Guest fell terrier]

not to sure about all this , but i have a mate who owns a .410 pistol and when his licence was up for renewal a few years back the police told him that he could not own the weapon anymore , he explained that it was a passed down from several generations of his family they eventually agreed with him and he is now aloud to own the weapon but im not sure if he is covered to shoot it ???

 

liam

if you have a good reason to own one then joe plod cant refuse people still own pistols for use in work i know of at least six people with pistols ranging from 22 to 38 caliber including 410 and they can use them in hunt service and animal slaughter most vets hold a firearms for a 38 cal

[Guest Leveller]

Right I hold an fac and on it is a .410 pistol I may be wrong but I just thought that this was basicaly a swan off shotgun there are two on guntrader website but one still has 20" barrels and it states that once on a fac the barrel can be shortened.

 

Thanks Fellterrier I'll try that place

[Guest fell terrier]

Right I hold an fac and on it is a .410 pistol I may be wrong but I just thought that this was basicaly a swan off shotgun there are two on guntrader website but one still has 20" barrels and it states that once on a fac the barrel can be shortened.

 

Thanks Fellterrier I'll try that place

its in preston sell allsorts of humane killers and guns they have website