blue merle

[blackpack 70]

havent had hancock bred myself but what i have seen they seem ok to all quarry but i must say that we should all be breeding from workers only

[undisputed 1,664]

do you ever admit when you are wrong ? the whole board is saying something totally different , would you take any of it on board ?

 

not a dig just an observation

 

Not unless you can show me conclusive proof to back up your arguement and your now starting to sound like my Mrs, besides I think if you read through carefully you'll see some agree with my point.

Edited July 22, 2008 by undisputed

[undisputed 1,664]

No bad dogs only bad owners is a load of bull, if its not in there you can't put it in.

 

If you wanted a dog for herding sheep, digging to, coursing with, a gundog, a guard dog etc etc would you go to Crufts and pick the dog that conforms to the breed standard, or pick the one down the street because its closest and hes soooo cute, or have a look in the free ads or look for a proven worker?

 

Buy from untested stock and you may get lucky but dogs need to be fed, trained and looked after for up to 15 years so why increase your odds of getting a duff one?????????????

 

What is this thing your talking about? You can go to all the top working men in the country and your still not guaranteed you wont end up with a "plug" of a dog...I think the Nuttal terrier is a good example of this..years ago everybody wanted one....now you start to hear all sorts of crap about them...but again I ask the question is it more to do with the owner than the dog. You take 6 pups from a litter of working stock or untried stock and sell them to 6 diff individuals and your guaranteed 6 diff results some good some bad some indifferent. Sorry simoman but there's to many variables in the mix for it to be left to chance so if its not there as you claim what determines a good one from a bad one if not how the owner enters the dog? As I said earlier with the likes of Hancock your buying a type of dog, I use 3/4 grey x's cause they suit me for what I hunt What I know when I buy one that its going to be racy of a reasonable size and need bloody hard work to get to were I want it to be. As for getting lucky I must be the luckiest guy in Scotland then cause I've yet to have a dog from Hancock that wouldn't take fox and I'm on my 3rd one now so I must be doing something right....ATB

[undisputed 1,664]

ive never heard such bollocks in my life of course the parents pass on traits and if you dont work both the parents how would you know if these are desirable traits that we look for in a working lurcher.

you would never hear a terrier man say any old stud will do so why should we do that with lurchers when lurchers probaly see more work than most terriers.

 

Of course they pass on certain characteristics just not the ones your talking about.

[juckler123 707]

Only ever had one half cross collie grey and that was from hancock litter sister to chuckles out of a rabbiting border collie gyp owned by chuck arrowsmith.

She was one of best little lamping and rabbiting bitches ive ever owned id have another if rabbits were my sole quarry like some has already said chance of a half cross coming from working parentage is slim and to test both parents yourself and then breed a litter it would take time and money.

A lot cheaper and easier to buy a pup in i wouldnt hesitate trying another from him after all its only for lamping and ferreting i personally wouldnt use a half cross for much else.

Edited July 21, 2008 by juckler123

[Sorley x 32]

The Hancocks, breed a lot of dogs and if you go round there it ain't the prettiest place.

 

They get all sorts buying their dogs and as a result the dogs turn out to be all sorts from useless to awesome.

 

I've had a a 3/4 bred off him ages ago and it was a decent dog. I've seen one of his working earlier this year that was brilliant.

 

On the upside you can be pretty sure how his dogs will be in terms of shape and size when they are grown.

 

They might not have the best start in life compared to a litter reared with a family BUT if you get one and put the EFFORT in then you will get a good dog at the end of it.

 

Hancock is a name that creates a lot of feeling and that is understandable, then again anyone with a known name can do that.

[gavmac 0]

No bad dogs only bad owners is a load of bull, if its not in there you can't put it in.

 

If you wanted a dog for herding sheep, digging to, coursing with, a gundog, a guard dog etc etc would you go to Crufts and pick the dog that conforms to the breed standard, or pick the one down the street because its closest and hes soooo cute, or have a look in the free ads or look for a proven worker?

 

Buy from untested stock and you may get lucky but dogs need to be fed, trained and looked after for up to 15 years so why increase your odds of getting a duff one?????????????

 

What is this thing your talking about? You can go to all the top working men in the country and your still not guaranteed you wont end up with a "plug" of a dog...I think the Nuttal terrier is a good example of this..years ago everybody wanted one....now you start to hear all sorts of crap about them...but again I ask the question is it more to do with the owner than the dog. You take 6 pups from a litter of working stock or untried stock and sell them to 6 diff individuals and your guaranteed 6 diff results some good some bad some indifferent. Sorry simoman but there's to many variables in the mix for it to be left to chance so if its not there as you claim what determines a good one from a bad one if not how the owner enters the dog? As I said earlier with the likes of Hancock your buying a type of dog, I use 3/4 grey x's cause they suit me for what I hunt What I know when I buy one that its going to be racy of a reasonable size and need bloody hard work to get to were I want it to be. As for getting lucky I must be the luckiest guy in Scotland then cause I've yet to have a dog from Hancock that wouldn't take fox and I'm on my 3rd one now so I must be doing something right....ATB

you maybe have lower standards than some of us undisputed

[Guest markbrick1]

a merle

[undisputed 1,664]

No bad dogs only bad owners is a load of bull, if its not in there you can't put it in.

 

If you wanted a dog for herding sheep, digging to, coursing with, a gundog, a guard dog etc etc would you go to Crufts and pick the dog that conforms to the breed standard, or pick the one down the street because its closest and hes soooo cute, or have a look in the free ads or look for a proven worker?

 

Buy from untested stock and you may get lucky but dogs need to be fed, trained and looked after for up to 15 years so why increase your odds of getting a duff one?????????????

 

What is this thing your talking about? You can go to all the top working men in the country and your still not guaranteed you wont end up with a "plug" of a dog...I think the Nuttal terrier is a good example of this..years ago everybody wanted one....now you start to hear all sorts of crap about them...but again I ask the question is it more to do with the owner than the dog. You take 6 pups from a litter of working stock or untried stock and sell them to 6 diff individuals and your guaranteed 6 diff results some good some bad some indifferent. Sorry simoman but there's to many variables in the mix for it to be left to chance so if its not there as you claim what determines a good one from a bad one if not how the owner enters the dog? As I said earlier with the likes of Hancock your buying a type of dog, I use 3/4 grey x's cause they suit me for what I hunt What I know when I buy one that its going to be racy of a reasonable size and need bloody hard work to get to were I want it to be. As for getting lucky I must be the luckiest guy in Scotland then cause I've yet to have a dog from Hancock that wouldn't take fox and I'm on my 3rd one now so I must be doing something right....ATB

you maybe have lower standards than some of us undisputed

 

 

Oh I doubt that

[gaz 284]

The negative side of buying from Hancock is sure his stud dogs are not worked now,he breeds a lot of pups a year so theres a chance they are not getting the attention and being socailised before they leave the nest which can only benefit a puppy for its futre upbringing but i have to say ive had two 3/4 bred dogs from the man a few years ago now...one from wendle and one from taffy and i have to say i had a right good turn from both of these dogs with one a maniac on foxes and the other capable with foxes took but not with the passion of the dog bred out of taffy,i found the man a ok fella who never tired of questions about his dogs breeding and abilities and any other advice,the two i took were healthy enough big strong pups and settled well when i got them home,i found his place back then not spotless but with the amount of pups he bred nothing that would have put me off as ive turned tail before when ive looked at other pups bred from a induvidual litter,i was back down about 5 years ago now when my mate fancied a pup from him and i found his kennels still not too bad and his pups healthy enough...this dog killed his share of fox aswell before it had to be pts after a bad running accident.

 

So to sum things up imo as i take folk and there wares only as i find them if you are wondering about his dogs and maybe have a fancy of one,phone the guy and go and take a look and make your own mind up dont listen to most that put the man and his dogs down when they have prob never even owned one but have prob seen some half-wit who makes a career of ruining dogs run one and thought it was garbage.

Although the old man doesnt work his stud dogs now which i agree is always a plus when buying any working animal im pretty sure he still breeds from the original collie lines from years gone by,if i was looking at getting another collie lurcher i wouldnt outright going back to Hancock for it,cheers

[rick12345 181]

Have heard so many differing opinions about Hancock, more good than bad. If you put a lurcher cross to a pure grey the chances are the dog with the right nurturing will work. I raced greyhounds for a number of years and saw very few that would'nt chase. After all they are arguably the oldest breed known to man. With so many years of breeding they still work because its in their nature. I have seen on the other hand Greyhounds bred from racing stock, and raised by experienced trainers not take to it. Its 10 % luck 90 % nurture with any longdog.

And just for the record I pick up a hancok pup on saturday.

Edited July 21, 2008 by rick12345

[doga 50]

well one things for sure some like um some dont,i personaly now one or two whove had em and good things they were on fox deer and rabbit some on nastier stuff,would not say hare but only in my exsperience and to say thers alot of hancocks running through todays bitsaz lads no denying.

[Simoman 110]

No bad dogs only bad owners is a load of bull, if its not in there you can't put it in.

 

If you wanted a dog for herding sheep, digging to, coursing with, a gundog, a guard dog etc etc would you go to Crufts and pick the dog that conforms to the breed standard, or pick the one down the street because its closest and hes soooo cute, or have a look in the free ads or look for a proven worker?

 

Buy from untested stock and you may get lucky but dogs need to be fed, trained and looked after for up to 15 years so why increase your odds of getting a duff one?????????????

 

What is this thing your talking about? You can go to all the top working men in the country and your still not guaranteed you wont end up with a "plug" of a dog...I think the Nuttal terrier is a good example of this..years ago everybody wanted one....now you start to hear all sorts of crap about them...but again I ask the question is it more to do with the owner than the dog. You take 6 pups from a litter of working stock or untried stock and sell them to 6 diff individuals and your guaranteed 6 diff results some good some bad some indifferent. Sorry simoman but there's to many variables in the mix for it to be left to chance so if its not there as you claim what determines a good one from a bad one if not how the owner enters the dog? As I said earlier with the likes of Hancock your buying a type of dog, I use 3/4 grey x's cause they suit me for what I hunt What I know when I buy one that its going to be racy of a reasonable size and need bloody hard work to get to were I want it to be. As for getting lucky I must be the luckiest guy in Scotland then cause I've yet to have a dog from Hancock that wouldn't take fox and I'm on my 3rd one now so I must be doing something right....ATB

 

 

Sorry, I don't understand what "thing"? You say there are too may variables to leave it to chance? Thats my whole argument, by picking a pup from tested parents you are reducing the risk of getting a duff dog. I agree the best bred dog needs bringing on and not leaving in the kennel but surely you breed from a sire and dam that show good characteristics, strike, drive, nose, ability etc etc.

You seem to be missing my point which is not aimed at you or Hancock, just my opinion. The nature/nurture argument has gone on for years, my point is this...............

 

There are two litters of 3/4 bull greyhounds...

 

Litter a, both the sire and dam have been worked hard for five seasons and have taken a full spectrum of quarry and proved they have the desired characteristics required in a working lurcher and the owner has bred a litter of which you can now purchase a pup.

 

Litter b, the sire and dam both have good temperaments but neither have seen much work apart from the odd bunny during exercise but the owner has bred them together and a pup is available.

 

Now in MY opinion only a muppet would choose a pup from litter b over litter a if they intended to work it. Again in MY opinion you need a well bred dog from tested parenst AND you need to put the time and effort into its training, rearing and entering to increase the chances of getting a good dog. Its nature and nurture.................

[Stabs 3]

There are two litters of 3/4 bull greyhounds...

 

Litter a, both the sire and dam have been worked hard for five seasons and have taken a full spectrum of quarry and proved they have the desired characteristics required in a working lurcher and the owner has bred a litter of which you can now purchase a pup.

 

Litter b, the sire and dam both have good temperaments but neither have seen much work apart from the odd bunny during exercise but the owner has bred them together and a pup is available.

 

Now in MY opinion only a muppet would choose a pup from litter b over litter a if they intended to work it.

 

I'd be a muppet then....

I think you've got A and B mixed up there mate

[Simoman 110]

LOL, senior moment stabs, I'll edit