blue merle

[Neal 1,873]

From the information in his books you get the impression that with his earlier studs ie Timmy, Remus, Richard, Monty, Taffy etc he had a rough idea of which would produce more fox-orientated offspring.

 

Don't forget that there are other merle collies in this country and other people breeding merle collie lurchers; they don't all come from the same stud.

[Guest bigredbusa]

i cant believe anyone would want a pup out of unproven parents , that is just a lottery if you will get a good dog or not .

 

why does it have to be a hancock ? i would be tempted to breed my own line so im not one of the 'clique'.

[Guest oldskool]

Nope dont think so! but wont make any diff you enter your pup correctly he/she will take fox whether or not parents have took fox

dogs are not born with any antipathy toward foxes...thats something you need to instill in them.

 

 

 

 

 

so your telling me i can go out and buy a random pup out of anything and it will take fox if i train it right??? if your theory is correct then there is no reason why the show fraternity need to worry about destroying the working gene pool in any of the working breeds...

 

last time i heard your theory being spoken of the guy was tellin an audience he had working cavalier king charles spaniels that were good digging dogs!!!

[Guest smashygadge]

I only posted on here the other day about Hancock.

 

I got one from him, well pleased with the dog. Its free to go and look round, you dont have to get one if its not what you like.

 

well sound like a happy customer what type you get mate and glad your happy

 

mine is 3/4 beardie/border and 1/4 grey. Never had this mix before, so I don't know about the working ability, He's not gonna have the speed of something with more grey in, and his ample collieness means he's probably more suited to sorting sheep out (he's only 4 1/2 months at the moment, pics in my gallery if you click on my profile)

 

Very easy to train, bold and bouncy, with a good temperament. Makes my old staffy lurcher look like a retard.

 

Hancock did have some lovely looking merles with the odd eyes, when I was up there, I was really tempted to come home with more than one dog.

 

I reckon you just need to put the time in to nurturing the natural instinct of the dog to get what you want out of it. I'm not sure how vital working parents are.

 

cheers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sounds simmilar to my lad he dosnt crack with speed but the controll over his quarry is amazing .and has been noted by some very wise dog men .at the end of the day id much prefer the dog with the control over speed .and their alot more likley when of age to teech you a thing or two.also the speed most dogs have dosnt always catch more times than not ends in injurys and lameness when worked hard good luck with the dog

[timmy k 591]

ive never heard such bollocks in my life of course the parents pass on traits and if you dont work both the parents how would you know if these are desirable traits that we look for in a working lurcher.

you would never hear a terrier man say any old stud will do so why should we do that with lurchers when lurchers probaly see more work than most terriers.

[bird 9,973]

not to stir an arguement but IF i went to hancock and asked for a pup from say foxing parents... would he be able to tell me what dogs he has that have taken fox??? and you cant say "get a bull cross"

 

Nope dont think so! but wont make any diff you enter your pup correctly he/she will take fox whether or not parents have took fox

dogs are not born with any antipathy toward foxes...thats something you need to instill in them.

 

Regards fox dogs, its got to be in the dog. As you say start it correctly, but if its not in there it will

never do it. Ive had lurchers 25years+, bullxs, colliexs, bitza,. My best fox dog, was a bitza bitch

she was colliexgreyx whippetxgreyx ? , 25ins 55lb. She was born a nasty fecker, she would tackle

anything with 4 legs. As i said its down each dog.???

 

BIRD

[Guest bigredbusa]

ive never heard such bollocks in my life of course the parents pass on traits and if you dont work both the parents how would you know if these are desirable traits that we look for in a working lurcher.

you would never hear a terrier man say any old stud will do so why should we do that with lurchers when lurchers probaly see more work than most terriers.

 

 

it's called hancock blindness . the first case was back in the 's down in cornwall , even tho the fella comeaway from them he has still carried over the bullshit talk with them , what we see here is the classic signs of it in a progressive state

 

what you must remember is when you get ' the blindness' they state crazy stuff and they MUST be humoured for there own sanity ie:

 

1. my collie cross does 8 foxes a night

2. it doesnt matter if both parents dont work fox

 

and news just coming in is something about kind charles making good digging dogs .!!!

 

we must all understand this is a condition and these guys and gals need our help to try and get them from the 'darkside' , it is not reversable but we can get them to a 'markbrick' state again where we can use them for our amusement .

 

thank you for your time

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

From what I've heard, there is one thing a few hancock dogs are definately passing on to the offspring lately: hip displaysia

[gavmac 0]

my mrs has been goin on for years that she wants a blue merle with a blue eye and one brown one.i personally only like and keep the good old bullxs.i use for ferreting as well as the usual bullx prey and do find them hard mouthed,she said i could use it for ferreting which makes sense but yhe only place i can think of getting one is off of hancock but i have heard alot off people putting them down as workers.just interseted in ur thoughts on the matter.cheers

 

So why is he still in buisness then...go have a look for youself if you believe everything you hear in this forum you'd never own a dog...I've had a couple of hancocks and I've absolutely no complaints and I'm sure there's a few more in here that have them...I've said it many times before..."theres no such thing as a bad dog..only bad owners"

Have to totally disagree with that statement "THERES NO SUCH THING AS A BAD DOG ...ONLY BAD OWNERS "

YOU CANT TRAIN A DOG TO HAVE GOOD FEET ,GOOD STRIKE ,BRAINS ,BOTTLE,SPEED ,STAMINA ALL THE THINGS A GOOD LURCHER MUST HAVE THAT COMES FROM GOOD BREEDING .

You can be a good dog man with an average dog and you can get the very best out of the dog by bringing it on right but it will not make the grade if it doesnt have it .

Edited July 20, 2008 by gavmac

[cocker 2,655]

theres not a dog in hancocks placed thats ever been worked, on quarry, and never has been in 25 years, his stud dogs he has now are all bred off non workers which he had 20 years back and more.

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Edited July 20, 2008 by CHALKWARREN

[doga 50]

well some people think they now best,opinions well every one has one most are b*ll*cks,you pays your money you take your chance,remember theres a lot of gelouse people on here . in any one case its down to the indevidual to make there choice im not for or against hancock his science is open for all to see as regards the breeding of his dogs.trouble with the lurcher game some one has always got better and the majority of the time its not true.

[gavmac 0]

well some people think they now best,opinions well every one has one most are b*ll*cks,you pays your money you take your chance,remember theres a lot of gelouse people on here . in any one case its down to the indevidual to make there choice im not for or against hancock his science is open for all to see as regards the breeding of his dogs.trouble with the lurcher game some one has always got better and the majority of the time its not true.

IM not gelouse of any one

[Simoman 110]

No bad dogs only bad owners is a load of bull, if its not in there you can't put it in.

 

If you wanted a dog for herding sheep, digging to, coursing with, a gundog, a guard dog etc etc would you go to Crufts and pick the dog that conforms to the breed standard, or pick the one down the street because its closest and hes soooo cute, or have a look in the free ads or look for a proven worker?

 

Buy from untested stock and you may get lucky but dogs need to be fed, trained and looked after for up to 15 years so why increase your odds of getting a duff one?????????????

[doga 50]

No bad dogs only bad owners is a load of bull, if its not in there you can't put it in.

 

If you wanted a dog for herding sheep, digging to, coursing with, a gundog, a guard dog etc etc would you go to Crufts and pick the dog that conforms to the breed standard, or pick the one down the street because its closest and hes soooo cute, or have a look in the free ads or look for a proven worker?

 

Buy from untested stock and you may get lucky but dogs need to be fed, trained and looked after for up to 15 years so why increase your odds of getting a duff one?????????????

thats very true to say and i will agree that tested stock is best,i will say that ive bought gear that is reputed to be good and has fell apart in all aspects of its game,ive owned hancocks stuff and to be fair its turned out well and has suprised some lads i now.