BNP

[roybo 2,873]

I am a Roman Catholic and I bring my kids up that way, but I am not blind and see all the faults with the organised, money making side of religion........

 

IMHO, a mans church is in his heart.

spoke like a true protestant wilf

joking a side, i can not bow to an organisation that makes enough money to keep

a small country going, then refuse to put there hand in their pocket for a few roof

tiles

0pium of the poor....i hav'nt a problem with belief ......it's the synod and the vatican

that boils my piss...

£1000million last year the church of england made ....imagine what the other pope and his chronies made

[Foxgun Tom 75]

Scot Hunter says "Feel better getting that off your chest?

 

I care not a jot about marshall wade.Got more worries with fanatical muslims than living in the past.

 

I do not a bit about Scottish history.One thing i do know is that there were more Scots fighting Scots at culloden than there was English.It was also King Billy who signed the order for the Highland clearances carried out by no less than "SCOTS".

Well im scottish but class myself British.As for the native tongue i think you will find that it was never spoken in the lowlands.

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I don't think you know much about Scottish history

 

1/ The Battle of Culloden ie; Drumossie Moor was never about an English, Scottish conflict it was a civil war based on religeous differences and there was many nationalities fighting on both sides, French, Irish Dutch, German etc: The Jacobites (Catholics) were fighting against the Hanoverian (German protestants) kings who were invited to take over the English and Scottish crowns The Clearance came about a long time after the 45 rebellion because Scottish Lairds moved south to the British/English courts, and to subsidise their new lifestyles it was more profitable to put sheep on their land than people (their former Clansmen)

 

2/ King william or King billy as you call him defeated James the first of England who was also James the 6th of Scotland at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690 He was not responsible or signed any order for the Highland clearances that happened in the 18th and 19th centuries He did in fact sign the order for the massacre of Glencoe in which highland hospitalty was breached and members of the Clan Macdonald were murdered with the order that no-one was to survive including women and children

 

3/ We have three native languages in Scotland, Gaelic, Doric and Lowland Scots, Gaelic was spoken extensively throughout Scotland including the lowlands, if not how do you explain the old Gaelic place names in many areas of the borders

 

I am also the furthest thing you can get from being anti English most of my closest friends are from south of the border and I cherish those friendships and love the country and its culture, though I agree its being eroded by immigration,

 

Being a nationalist has nothing to do with being anti English its about being proud of your own history, culture and heritage,, Scotland has so many close ties with England, Ireland and Wales that we will never be completely separated, and that's a good thing

 

Why is it OK to be nationalistic about Britian and not Scotland England Wales or Ireland??

 

Tom

Edited July 18, 2008 by Foxgun Tom

[gaz 284]

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I don't think you know much about Scottish history

 

1/ The Battle of Culloden ie; Drumossie Moor was never about an English, Scottish conflict it was a civil war based on religeous differences and there was many nationalities fighting on both sides, French, Irish Dutch, German etc: The Jacobites (Catholics) were fighting against the Hanoverian (German protestants) kings who were invited to take over the English and Scottish crowns The Clearance came about a long time after the 45 rebellion because Scottish Lairds moved south to the British/English courts, and to subsidise their new lifestyles it was more profitable to put sheep on their land than people (their former Clansmen)

 

2/ King william or King billy as you call him defeated James the first of England who was also James the 6th of Scotland at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690 He was not responsible or signed any order for the Highland clearances that happened in the 18th and 19th centuries He did in fact sign the order for the massacre of Glencoe in which highland hospitalty was breached and members of the Clan Macdonald were murdered with the order that no-one was to survive including women and children

 

3/ We have three native languages in Scotland, Gaelic, Doric and Lowland Scots, Gaelic was spoken extensively throughout Scotland including the lowlands, if not how do you explain the old Gaelic place names in many areas of the borders

 

I am also the furthest thing you can get from being anti English most of my closest friends are from south of the border and I cherish those friendships and love the country and its culture, though I agree its being eroded by immigration,

 

Being a nationalist has nothing to do with being anti English its about being proud of your own history, culture and heritage,, Scotland has so many close ties with England, Ireland and Wales that we will never be completely separated, and that's a good thing

 

Why is it OK to be nationalistic about Britian and not Scotland England Wales or Ireland??

 

Tom

 

 

Well said Tom,folk should be more sure of their facts before they open their gobs and spew forth their opinions on things they know little of thanks for your words sir as it saved me writing down something of a similar responce to S/H's post.

 

Out of all the countries in the British Isles aswell as Ireland,Scotland is the only country which was never conquered through it long and proud history,it agreed to join the act union in 1707 on its own terms through its own choice so if you think about it scothunter that pretty makes the scots the true Brittish people with prob the purist bloodline of all the native folk on the island...i thought this might float your boat with all the talk of a pure,untainted white bloodline and all

[ChrisJones 7,975]

My personal opinion is that as long as I have breath in my lungs I will never vote for the old National Front.

 

Politicians are dirty lying b*****ds.

 

The fact that they want to get paid to be dirty lying b*****ds makes them professional dirty lying b*****ds.

 

They will promise you everything.

 

They will deliver the path of least resistance, meaning they will do the bare minimum of work.

 

The way I see it, is that if you want to make the world a better place then you have to remove any kind of monetary compensation from the job of MP.

 

That way only those that want to make a difference will do the job, because they will do it for free. Anyone that is out to line their pockets is at extreme odds with making Britain a better place.

 

From March 2006 to February 2007, our elected betters supplied their bars, restaurants and catering functions with 84,014 litres of beers, wines and spirits. Being dirty lying b*****ds that's what they will admit to... whatever that comes to on London prices, I wouldn't even want to start calculating, because I'll end up with a f*****g stroke when I think that it comes out of our pockets.

 

You show me a party that won't be getting pissed on my taxes and I'll vote for them. You show me a party that can sort out the immigration problem, and I'll vote for them. But don't forget sorting out crime, healthcare, etc, etc, etc, etc... BNP won't ever do it. Neither will Labour, Tories, LibDems... ever because they're playing the same corrupt game.

 

We need something new. As people in Britain won't vote then we're stuck with the old.

 

That brings us back to hunting.

 

The only party that stand a chance of repealing the ban are the Tories. They will never repeal it, only give us a degree of tolerance that will make it even more laughable than it already is. They will get my vote until the world changes significantly enough for genuine progress.

[undisputed 1,664]

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Well said Tom,folk should be more sure of their facts before they open their gobs and spew forth their opinions on things they know little of thanks for your words sir as it saved me writing down something of a similar responce to S/H's post.

 

Out of all the countries in the British Isles aswell as Ireland,Scotland is the only country which was never conquered through it long and proud history,it agreed to join the act union in 1707 on its own terms through its own choice so if you think about it scothunter that pretty makes the scots the true Brittish people with prob the purist bloodline of all the native folk on the island...i thought this might float your boat with all the talk of a pure,untainted white bloodline and all

The Treaty of Union declares that England and Scotland shall become one kingdom, with the same monarchy and succession, a single parliament (‘the Parliament of Great Britain’), and equal trade and economic rights. Some clauses permit the continuation of Scottish institutions (such as the burgh and legal systems). Other institutions, such as the Great Seal (used to signify state approval) were remade as a new ‘British’ version. However, most clauses stated that Union was to be obtained by Scotland adopting the existing English form, for example with regard to customs and excise duties, weights and measures and coinage. The English representation in the House of Commons and the House of Lords remained unchanged, while Scotland would send 16 peers to the Lords and 45 MPs (burgh and shire commissioners) to the Commons.

 

 

This might help!...

[undisputed 1,664]

My personal opinion is that as long as I have breath in my lungs I will never vote for the old National Front.

 

Politicians are dirty lying b*****ds.

 

The fact that they want to get paid to be dirty lying b*****ds makes them professional dirty lying b*****ds.

 

They will promise you everything.

 

They will deliver the path of least resistance, meaning they will do the bare minimum of work.

 

The way I see it, is that if you want to make the world a better place then you have to remove any kind of monetary compensation from the job of MP.

 

That way only those that want to make a difference will do the job, because they will do it for free. Anyone that is out to line their pockets is at extreme odds with making Britain a better place.

 

From March 2006 to February 2007, our elected betters supplied their bars, restaurants and catering functions with 84,014 litres of beers, wines and spirits. Being dirty lying b*****ds that's what they will admit to... whatever that comes to on London prices, I wouldn't even want to start calculating, because I'll end up with a f*****g stroke when I think that it comes out of our pockets.

 

You show me a party that won't be getting pissed on my taxes and I'll vote for them. You show me a party that can sort out the immigration problem, and I'll vote for them. But don't forget sorting out crime, healthcare, etc, etc, etc, etc... BNP won't ever do it. Neither will Labour, Tories, LibDems... ever because they're playing the same corrupt game.

 

We need something new. As people in Britain won't vote then we're stuck with the old.

 

That brings us back to hunting.

 

The only party that stand a chance of repealing the ban are the Tories. They will never repeal it, only give us a degree of tolerance that will make it even more laughable than it already is. They will get my vote until the world changes significantly enough for genuine progress.

 

thats us scots f****d then cause the Tories will never get in up here

[undisputed 1,664]

My personal opinion is that as long as I have breath in my lungs I will never vote for the old National Front.

 

Politicians are dirty lying b*****ds.

 

The fact that they want to get paid to be dirty lying b*****ds makes them professional dirty lying b*****ds.

 

They will promise you everything.

 

They will deliver the path of least resistance, meaning they will do the bare minimum of work.

 

The way I see it, is that if you want to make the world a better place then you have to remove any kind of monetary compensation from the job of MP.

 

That way only those that want to make a difference will do the job, because they will do it for free. Anyone that is out to line their pockets is at extreme odds with making Britain a better place.

 

From March 2006 to February 2007, our elected betters supplied their bars, restaurants and catering functions with 84,014 litres of beers, wines and spirits. Being dirty lying b*****ds that's what they will admit to... whatever that comes to on London prices, I wouldn't even want to start calculating, because I'll end up with a f*****g stroke when I think that it comes out of our pockets.

 

You show me a party that won't be getting pissed on my taxes and I'll vote for them. You show me a party that can sort out the immigration problem, and I'll vote for them. But don't forget sorting out crime, healthcare, etc, etc, etc, etc... BNP won't ever do it. Neither will Labour, Tories, LibDems... ever because they're playing the same corrupt game.

 

We need something new. As people in Britain won't vote then we're stuck with the old.

 

That brings us back to hunting.

 

The only party that stand a chance of repealing the ban are the Tories. They will never repeal it, only give us a degree of tolerance that will make it even more laughable than it already is. They will get my vote until the world changes significantly enough for genuine progress.

 

thats us scots f****d then cause the Tories will never get in up here

[scothunter 12,609]

As someone i admire once said."My race is my religion"!

Thomas Jefferson.

 

Reinhard Heydrich

[gnasher16 30,118]

Its one thing to mourn the downfall of one's nation or culture and another to blame it on another race. Yeah It's ok to be proud of who you are but totally wrong to blame the erosion of this countries values on Muslims, Blacks or any other race for that matter. Ask yourself this who is to blame for the lack of morality and ethics in todays society. We have the highest rate of teenage pregnancies, unmarried mothers, Binge Drinking, knife crime, in some parts of the North they have the lowest life expectancy in Europe. Gone are the days of full employment when kids left school and walked into a job, this is where they learned the rules and respect for their elders. This "right of passage" has all but gone now and we have some families that have had generations of being on benefits and the dole and think theyre owed a living by the state. Succesive goverments have done nothing to help the situation and began with Thatchers destruction of all our Heavy Industries such as Coal, Steel and Shipbuilding to name but a few. All the Powerfull Unions are now paper tigers and toothless. So while we sit around looking for convienient hooks on which to lay the blame the real culprits move among us slowly eroding more and more of our civil liberties and we sit and take it on the chin cause thats the "British" way. Whats really killing this country is our apathy to whats really going on around us. How do you think the Americans would have reacted to a hunting ban? or the French for that matter,now theres a race that know how to protest.

 

Like i already said, " we got ourself into this mess...its up to us to get ourself out of it ".....thats laying the blame at our own feet nobody elses.......if we are happy to accept the rest of the worlds shit and problems thats what we are going to get !.....so you dont see it as anything more than coincidence that drugs,knife crime or the other things you mentioned is at an all time high in this country at the same time that the country is at its all time highest regarding foreigners living here ?....like i say,when you accept the rest of the worlds shit,thats what you are going to get !...its no coincidence........as for who do we lay the blame on....yes of course we lay the blame on ourself,but dont expect folk to sit around and be happy with the races of people who are coming over here to rape us of everything we have,just because some gutless shitbags running our country are willing to let them !......anyway,this topic seems to have turned into a scottish history lesson now....so im out of here.

[millie 1]

IF the BNP were a party for people of all creeds, colours so long as they put BRITAIN first and formost before their culture religion ect i would vote for them, but as they stand id say some in their ranks still have racist undertones. nothing wrong with been NATIONALIST everything wrong with been RACIST imo.

id say some in their ranks still have racist undertones

 

Thats a bit like saying Hitler wasnt particularly fond of the Jews!

 

Once you become a nationalist,your straight away branded a racist.....how can you win,

even putting Britain first will still upset people,and the first thing they come out with,is its racism,

not the fact its the blatant truth

 

 

Anyway its only really the welsh and the muslims I'd like out of 'Britain'

only joking.

[Foxgun Tom 75]

Undisputed says "The Treaty of Union declares that England and Scotland shall become one kingdom, with the same monarchy and succession, a single parliament (‘the Parliament of Great Britain’), and equal trade and economic rights. Some clauses permit the continuation of Scottish institutions (such as the burgh and legal systems). Other institutions, such as the Great Seal (used to signify state approval) were remade as a new ‘British’ version. However, most clauses stated that Union was to be obtained by Scotland adopting the existing English form, for example with regard to customs and excise duties, weights and measures and coinage. The English representation in the House of Commons and the House of Lords remained unchanged, while Scotland would send 16 peers to the Lords and 45 MPs (burgh and shire commissioners) to the Commons."

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The Treaty of the Union was not ratified/decided by the Scottish people it was put in place by what Robert Burns describes as "We're bought and sold for English gold- Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!" It was a small minority of the Scottish elite who sold Scottish independance for financial gain, and as for the great seal what about "The Honours of Scotland" rediscovered in Edinburgh Castle the worlds oldest collection of crown jewels and the ultimate symbol of Scottish nationhhood,

 

Tom

 

 

Ps : as for the movie Braveheart, what a load of shit!! An Australian,playing a Scottish folk hero with an Irish/American accent it was historicaly inaccurate and just plain wrong, the Freedom speech in the movie was terrible!! because it took the Declaration of Arbroath out of context and para-phrased it!! Did you know that Scots were one of the first people to display a democratic tendency In the Declartion Scots asked for the right to depose and replace the monachy if it failed to serve the people

[Guest ROOSTER]

(quote undisputed) . Succesive goverments have done nothing to help the situation and began with Thatchers destruction of all our Heavy Industries such as Coal, Steel and Shipbuilding to name but a few. ..... SHE did and good for her, she could see that these industries wre finished and were a thing of the past its thirty year on and men and women are still suffering health problems from these industries, at the time people went mad because of what she did but ask them now ask them the conditions they worked in and they shivers run down their spines when they think of what they had to do, the people moved on and and found other employment and their was other employment with wages and conditions that were at least civilised, were their that many of you old enough to work when these industries were going or is it all what you hear.

Edited July 18, 2008 by ROOSTER

[Guest foxyjo.]

Foxyjo, is there a point to your posts?

 

My main point was that it you cannot substitute politics for religion and excpect the world to be a better place.

Religion is dangerous.

That doesn't mean I am an athiest, (not sure of spelling). I believe in God, my children are christened and I was brought up to be a "believer".

However, I strongly believe that religion is used to excuse some of the worst behaviour the planet ever sees. Muslim, catholic, C of E, whatever.

If people brought their children up to follow the 10 commandments then how different life would be, but ardent, furious, fanatical views will only ever do us harm.

 

That was my point. I just sensed that there was a suggestion that religion would be preferable to politics. If I got it wrong, then hey ho. This is a forum, I think there is still free speech to a certain point. My views have just as much right to be here as anyone elses. And if I'm wildly off topic....well, these threads have a tendancy to slip away from the first purpose anyway.

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

If people brought their children up to follow the 10 commandments then how different life would be.

 

 

Exactly my point.

 

I personally have never felt the desire to inflict a "mini me" on the world, but if I did I'd hope to teach the according to God's law.

 

Off topic slightly, but why is that the people least able to lead by example have the most kids? See them everywhere now, horrible interbred people who think they are so wonderful they should create little versions of themselves, now that is wrong!

 

Maybe it's just where I live, but I don't think so.

 

 

I have a bit of a rule for when I'm dealing with "Darkies", and it's "Integrity not Ethnicity" if someone is decent then it matters not whether they are pink, yellow green or sky blue, but to be frank it does seem a lot of the problems I have when dealing with orders is when there are Asians involved, and that's my personal experience based on fact not a blinkered hatred, they don't make it easy for people to like them in my experience ...............

[undisputed 1,664]

I have a bit of a rule for when I'm dealing with "Darkies", and it's "Integrity not Ethnicity

 

Thats very decent of you...maybe it would suit you better if they doffed their caps to you ....or would you prefer to be called "Massa"