BNP

[Guest ROOSTER]

funny how all the miners and co and their villages became proud and with a greaty togetherness after thatcher,when in reallity they were nothing more than grubby little houses stained with the coal dust, and the men were the same as every other man except most had a cough and a habit of spitting out the very dust that was filling their lungs everytime they went near a pit, there are men and woman still taking the goverment to court for compensation because of the conditions they had to work in, opencast was a safer quicker and cheaper method but then again its alright to look back and think everything was rosie when in fact it werent so great and most of you were tiny bairns during this time, did the miners care for anyone else when other industries were threatened did they feck in fact their actions jepordised other peoples job

 

I suggest you visit an old miners welfare and say that...see what kind of response you get

 

YES no doubt they will look back like many do and things didnt seem so bad because time makes a differece but then go and listen to a mans chest cackle as he breaths, or look at the tub beside his bed were he spits the flem from his lungs because he has silococius or emplzema because his lungs were wrecked with the dust and poison from the pit, watch as he reaches for his inhaler or if he's a bit worse its his oxygen mask, go to the chemist to pick up his small oxygen bottle that fits behind his bed, and when he dies think to yourself yes you loved him but your thankful he is no longer suffering and then thank the pit for making sure the last few years of his life were sat in a chair looking out a window as at other men of his age tended their gardens or went bowling but he couldnt because the pit ahad left him unable,

Edited July 19, 2008 by ROOSTER

[Malt 379]

Out of all the countries in the British Isles aswell as Ireland,Scotland is the only country which was never conquered through it long and proud history,it agreed to join the act union in 1707 on its own terms through its own choice so if you think about it scothunter that pretty makes the scots the true Brittish people with prob the purist bloodline of all the native folk on the island...i thought this might float your boat with all the talk of a pure,untainted white bloodline and all

 

Now hang on a minute boyo! The WELSH are the remnant of the Brythons, the truly native British tribe. An ancient version of the Welsh language was once spoken over the whole of the British mainland, in various dialects.

In fact, along with south west of England & the Merseyside area, Scotland was one of the last areas outside of Wales that the language was spoken.

 

You say that Scotland has never been conquered?

 

Where do you think the name Scotland came from? The Scotti tribe that came from Ireland and colonised the part of Britain that became Scotland, so there goes your theory about having the purest bloodline of all the native folk on the island. It may be purer then most, but it's certainly not the purest.

 

I remember a few years ago some historian claiming William Wallace was actually Welsh Imagine what would have happend if the tribe was called the Dave tribe...

It's partially true. William Wallace was meant to be of welsh decent, but he was born in Scotland. If you look up a book of baby names, Wallace means 'Welshman'.

[gaz 284]

Out of all the countries in the British Isles aswell as Ireland,Scotland is the only country which was never conquered through it long and proud history,it agreed to join the act union in 1707 on its own terms through its own choice so if you think about it scothunter that pretty makes the scots the true Brittish people with prob the purist bloodline of all the native folk on the island...i thought this might float your boat with all the talk of a pure,untainted white bloodline and all

 

Now hang on a minute boyo! The WELSH are the remnant of the Brythons, the truly native British tribe. An ancient version of the Welsh language was once spoken over the whole of the British mainland, in various dialects.

In fact, along with south west of England & the Merseyside area, Scotland was one of the last areas outside of Wales that the language was spoken.

 

You say that Scotland has never been conquered?

 

Where do you think the name Scotland came from? The Scotti tribe that came from Ireland and colonised the part of Britain that became Scotland, so there goes your theory about having the purest bloodline of all the native folk on the island. It may be purer then most, but it's certainly not the purest.

 

 

Now you hang on there laddie Im no expert that has a history degree and what i said was a bit of tounge and cheek but i know of the old welsh language that was spoke by the ancient brittish tribes in what was to be southern scotland back then but this was only a fraction of the whole country and its people.

 

The irish tribes came and intergrated with the locals up and down the west coast but i wouldnt say they colonised the area,they eventually futher intergrated with the pictish people and ancient brittish tribes in the south to form what we know of the nation of Scotland under the rule of the first scottish king Kenneth MacAlpen in the 9th century.........Oh and the irish tribes that came here belonged to Ulster so in my eyes they were Brittish and not so much Irish anyway So stick that up yer jumper taffy

[undisputed 1,664]

funny how all the miners and co and their villages became proud and with a greaty togetherness after thatcher,when in reallity they were nothing more than grubby little houses stained with the coal dust, and the men were the same as every other man except most had a cough and a habit of spitting out the very dust that was filling their lungs everytime they went near a pit, there are men and woman still taking the goverment to court for compensation because of the conditions they had to work in, opencast was a safer quicker and cheaper method but then again its alright to look back and think everything was rosie when in fact it werent so great and most of you were tiny bairns during this time, did the miners care for anyone else when other industries were threatened did they feck in fact their actions jepordised other peoples job

 

I suggest you visit an old miners welfare and say that...see what kind of response you get

 

YES no doubt they will look back like many do and things didnt seem so bad because time makes a differece but then go and listen to a mans chest cackle as he breaths, or look at the tub beside his bed were he spits the flem from his lungs because he has silococius or emplzema because his lungs were wrecked with the dust and poison from the pit, watch as he reaches for his inhaler or if he's a bit worse its his oxygen mask, go to the chemist to pick up his small oxygen bottle that fits behind his bed, and when he dies think to yourself yes you loved him but your thankful he is no longer suffering and then thank the pit for making sure the last few years of his life were sat in a chair looking out a window as at other men of his age tended their gardens or went bowling but he couldnt because the pit ahad left him unable,

 

Well you could use that arguement about cigarrettes, asbestos, tintinitus industial deafness any number of materials workers had to deal with in various jobs...but to imply that Thatcher closed these industries because she was concerned about these folks health is just silly!

[Malt 379]

Out of all the countries in the British Isles aswell as Ireland,Scotland is the only country which was never conquered through it long and proud history,it agreed to join the act union in 1707 on its own terms through its own choice so if you think about it scothunter that pretty makes the scots the true Brittish people with prob the purist bloodline of all the native folk on the island...i thought this might float your boat with all the talk of a pure,untainted white bloodline and all

 

Now hang on a minute boyo! The WELSH are the remnant of the Brythons, the truly native British tribe. An ancient version of the Welsh language was once spoken over the whole of the British mainland, in various dialects.

In fact, along with south west of England & the Merseyside area, Scotland was one of the last areas outside of Wales that the language was spoken.

 

You say that Scotland has never been conquered?

 

Where do you think the name Scotland came from? The Scotti tribe that came from Ireland and colonised the part of Britain that became Scotland, so there goes your theory about having the purest bloodline of all the native folk on the island. It may be purer then most, but it's certainly not the purest.

 

 

Now you hang on there laddie Im no expert that has a history degree and what i said was a bit of tounge and cheek but i know of the old welsh language that was spoke by the ancient brittish tribes in what was to be southern scotland back then but this was only a fraction of the whole country and its people.

 

The irish tribes came and intergrated with the locals up and down the west coast but i wouldnt say they colonised the area,they eventually futher intergrated with the pictish people and ancient brittish tribes in the south to form what we know of the nation of Scotland under the rule of the first scottish king Kenneth MacAlpen in the 9th century.........Oh and the irish tribes that came here belonged to Ulster so in my eyes they were Brittish and not so much Irish anyway So stick that up yer jumper taffy

Ahh, so now you're saying that peoples from across the Irish sea, integrated with the picts & other ancient British tribes?

Does alot for you theory of 'pure' blood!

 

All in jest, (& stuck up the jumper! ) my jock friend!

 

At least we've more claim to this island than our neighbouring bunch of mongrels & half breeds, with blood from all over Europe, that stole all the nice, flat, fertile areas off of our ancient ancestors over the past few thousand years! You know who I'm talking about...........

[gaz 284]

Out of all the countries in the British Isles aswell as Ireland,Scotland is the only country which was never conquered through it long and proud history,it agreed to join the act union in 1707 on its own terms through its own choice so if you think about it scothunter that pretty makes the scots the true Brittish people with prob the purist bloodline of all the native folk on the island...i thought this might float your boat with all the talk of a pure,untainted white bloodline and all

 

Now hang on a minute boyo! The WELSH are the remnant of the Brythons, the truly native British tribe. An ancient version of the Welsh language was once spoken over the whole of the British mainland, in various dialects.

In fact, along with south west of England & the Merseyside area, Scotland was one of the last areas outside of Wales that the language was spoken.

 

You say that Scotland has never been conquered?

 

Where do you think the name Scotland came from? The Scotti tribe that came from Ireland and colonised the part of Britain that became Scotland, so there goes your theory about having the purest bloodline of all the native folk on the island. It may be purer then most, but it's certainly not the purest.

 

 

Now you hang on there laddie Im no expert that has a history degree and what i said was a bit of tounge and cheek but i know of the old welsh language that was spoke by the ancient brittish tribes in what was to be southern scotland back then but this was only a fraction of the whole country and its people.

 

The irish tribes came and intergrated with the locals up and down the west coast but i wouldnt say they colonised the area,they eventually futher intergrated with the pictish people and ancient brittish tribes in the south to form what we know of the nation of Scotland under the rule of the first scottish king Kenneth MacAlpen in the 9th century.........Oh and the irish tribes that came here belonged to Ulster so in my eyes they were Brittish and not so much Irish anyway So stick that up yer jumper taffy

Ahh, so now you're saying that peoples from across the Irish sea, integrated with the picts & other ancient British tribes?

Does alot for you theory of 'pure' blood!

 

All in jest, (& stuck up the jumper! ) my jock friend!

 

At least we've more claim to this island than our neighbouring bunch of mongrels & half breeds, with blood from all over Europe, that stole all the nice, flat, fertile areas off of our ancient ancestors over the past few thousand years! You know who I'm talking about...........

 

 

Intergrated...yes but not conquered,although a few tried it on they were all repelled over the past two thousand years or so,they usually found it a lot easier just to leave us be or settle here and accept the place and its people,as for pure blood that was the tounge and cheek bit i was speaking of as anybody with a brain cell knows there is no such thing with any race on the planet..all the best my celtic cousin

[undisputed 1,664]

Out of all the countries in the British Isles aswell as Ireland,Scotland is the only country which was never conquered through it long and proud history,it agreed to join the act union in 1707 on its own terms through its own choice so if you think about it scothunter that pretty makes the scots the true Brittish people with prob the purist bloodline of all the native folk on the island...i thought this might float your boat with all the talk of a pure,untainted white bloodline and all

 

Now hang on a minute boyo! The WELSH are the remnant of the Brythons, the truly native British tribe. An ancient version of the Welsh language was once spoken over the whole of the British mainland, in various dialects.

In fact, along with south west of England & the Merseyside area, Scotland was one of the last areas outside of Wales that the language was spoken.

 

You say that Scotland has never been conquered?

 

Where do you think the name Scotland came from? The Scotti tribe that came from Ireland and colonised the part of Britain that became Scotland, so there goes your theory about having the purest bloodline of all the native folk on the island. It may be purer then most, but it's certainly not the purest.

 

 

Now you hang on there laddie Im no expert that has a history degree and what i said was a bit of tounge and cheek but i know of the old welsh language that was spoke by the ancient brittish tribes in what was to be southern scotland back then but this was only a fraction of the whole country and its people.

 

The irish tribes came and intergrated with the locals up and down the west coast but i wouldnt say they colonised the area,they eventually futher intergrated with the pictish people and ancient brittish tribes in the south to form what we know of the nation of Scotland under the rule of the first scottish king Kenneth MacAlpen in the 9th century.........Oh and the irish tribes that came here belonged to Ulster so in my eyes they were Brittish and not so much Irish anyway So stick that up yer jumper taffy

Ahh, so now you're saying that peoples from across the Irish sea, integrated with the picts & other ancient British tribes?

Does alot for you theory of 'pure' blood!

 

All in jest, (& stuck up the jumper! ) my jock friend!

 

At least we've more claim to this island than our neighbouring bunch of mongrels & half breeds, with blood from all over Europe, that stole all the nice, flat, fertile areas off of our ancient ancestors over the past few thousand years! You know who I'm talking about...........

 

Lmao they know who they are!

 

 

And Gaz it wasnt that we couldn't be conquered it was those f*****g Midges that kept them out

[Guest ROOSTER]

funny how all the miners and co and their villages became proud and with a greaty togetherness after thatcher,when in reallity they were nothing more than grubby little houses stained with the coal dust, and the men were the same as every other man except most had a cough and a habit of spitting out the very dust that was filling their lungs everytime they went near a pit, there are men and woman still taking the goverment to court for compensation because of the conditions they had to work in, opencast was a safer quicker and cheaper method but then again its alright to look back and think everything was rosie when in fact it werent so great and most of you were tiny bairns during this time, did the miners care for anyone else when other industries were threatened did they feck in fact their actions jepordised other peoples job

 

I suggest you visit an old miners welfare and say that...see what kind of response you get

 

YES no doubt they will look back like many do and things didnt seem so bad because time makes a differece but then go and listen to a mans chest cackle as he breaths, or look at the tub beside his bed were he spits the flem from his lungs because he has silococius or emplzema because his lungs were wrecked with the dust and poison from the pit, watch as he reaches for his inhaler or if he's a bit worse its his oxygen mask, go to the chemist to pick up his small oxygen bottle that fits behind his bed, and when he dies think to yourself yes you loved him but your thankful he is no longer suffering and then thank the pit for making sure the last few years of his life were sat in a chair looking out a window as at other men of his age tended their gardens or went bowling but he couldnt because the pit ahad left him unable,

 

Well you could use that arguement about cigarrettes, asbestos, tintinitus industial deafness any number of materials workers had to deal with in various jobs...but to imply that Thatcher closed these industries because she was concerned about these folks health is just silly!

NO i'm not implying it i telling you the best thing that happened was shutting the pits for health and economic reasons it so happened it was thatcher that did it.

[undisputed 1,664]

funny how all the miners and co and their villages became proud and with a greaty togetherness after thatcher,when in reallity they were nothing more than grubby little houses stained with the coal dust, and the men were the same as every other man except most had a cough and a habit of spitting out the very dust that was filling their lungs everytime they went near a pit, there are men and woman still taking the goverment to court for compensation because of the conditions they had to work in, opencast was a safer quicker and cheaper method but then again its alright to look back and think everything was rosie when in fact it werent so great and most of you were tiny bairns during this time, did the miners care for anyone else when other industries were threatened did they feck in fact their actions jepordised other peoples job

 

I suggest you visit an old miners welfare and say that...see what kind of response you get

 

YES no doubt they will look back like many do and things didnt seem so bad because time makes a differece but then go and listen to a mans chest cackle as he breaths, or look at the tub beside his bed were he spits the flem from his lungs because he has silococius or emplzema because his lungs were wrecked with the dust and poison from the pit, watch as he reaches for his inhaler or if he's a bit worse its his oxygen mask, go to the chemist to pick up his small oxygen bottle that fits behind his bed, and when he dies think to yourself yes you loved him but your thankful he is no longer suffering and then thank the pit for making sure the last few years of his life were sat in a chair looking out a window as at other men of his age tended their gardens or went bowling but he couldnt because the pit ahad left him unable,

 

Well you could use that arguement about cigarrettes, asbestos, tintinitus industial deafness any number of materials workers had to deal with in various jobs...but to imply that Thatcher closed these industries because she was concerned about these folks health is just silly!

NO i'm not implying it i telling you the best thing that happened was shutting the pits for health and economic reasons it so happened it was thatcher that did it.

 

So doing away with Industries and consigning thousands upon thousands of people to the dole and destroying communities with little or no work for generations of young people is good economic sense....and lets not forget she did this to help these people in your opinion.....Are you Mark Thatcher by any chance?

[ChrisJones 7,975]

So lets not talk about thatcher now as some folk think its now all in the past and lets all move on now....Lets get something straight,i will never appoligies or feel any stigma for not forgeting what damage and hurt she did to her own folk,not jonny foriener for her own gains and political ego....her own fecking folk !!!

 

Thatcher is a huge part of some folks lives,even if they were some of the most saddest,most confusing and desperate times just as the most happiest and joyest of times tend to have the same affect on a persons memory to remember and not to forget about certain episodes in your life,and if like me and many other thousands of young teens growing up in the time of her power trip and trying to understand why your father who is your hero who you look up to and respected,who learned you right and wrong,to respect other people irrelevant of their diffrences,try to forgive and not to hold a grudge, ect ect being turned from a hardworking man who has pride for himself and his value's to a another statistic who now has learned to hate and be spitefull because a govermnent who tore the very heart out of him and other decent men around him aswell as the very communities they belonged to being as max touched on before.... being too much for some to fully recover from and get over.If you witnessed first hand the affect it had on many proud upstanding community for many many years after the pits closed with unemployment,crime and basicly the very towns and villages that the miners built with their own hands being turned into shit holes you will maybe understand why some folk dont find it too easy to forget as some choose to.

 

I will say it again...my hatred for the woman will die with her and only then will i move on and forget.

I can totally understand what you're saying. No one is asking you to apologise and no is asking you to forget it. Ever. I grew up under Thatcher and I lived it as much as anyone else did. Bitching about it won't change it and despite 18 years since Thatcher f**k all has been done and we're on the brink of something much worse. That's not her fault but the fault of the people of Britain. We get the government we deserve.

 

I agree with most of what you say mate...but in terms of Politics its basically an uneven playing field and a two horse race no matter who promises what. The whole voting system is wrong and needs a radical rethink but those in power are happy with the status quo. Self preservation is the name of the game now with people looking after themselves first and foremost, a trend that the Tories did start and admittedly Labour carried on. The whole concept of community has all but gone with people following work around the country.

Yeah but we have to understand why we're in this mess before we can even attempt to remedy a solution to it. Successive governments have changed laws and twisted the statute to serve their own purpose. The current government thought it was necessary to change the House Of Lords and that pretty much means 'We'll stack the deck so we can push whatever we want through both houses.'

 

How many people know that, never mind understand what the means?

 

Your absolutely right we're in a mess largely of our own making but anyone who thinks a change of Party in the next Election will solve this situation is living in a dream world.

It needs something more radical than that. It needs mass action from the people but not enough people are arsed about it. Remember the poll tax? That sort of demonstration changed policy, but to change government it needs to be bigger.

 

That simply can't happen while Billy Baseballcap is bitching about illegal immigrants taking the jobs, he refuses to work, while he spends his dole money on dope and Stella.

 

My whole arguement has got nowt to do with politics really it just gets on my tits when a post like this gets started and the same old tired statements about Immigrants and Muslims is trotted out.

Me too but these visual cues are much easier for the sheeple to follow. Far too many haven't got the mental reasoning capacity to see past the robes and look at what the real problems are. I've worked in council houses where the inhabitants are among 4 generations of the terminally idle. They have never worked and for some it was so long ago it was before Thatcher. They sit around all day looking for reasons to complain about how hard their lives are. Easy to read tabloids like The Sun and The Mirror feature heavily in how these people's opinions are swayed and they will buy into anything that off sets their guilt about living in shit because they can't be arsed getting up to go to work like everyone else.

 

So people want to vote BNP. Their choice. Their vote although I doubt that all of those, that say they will, could be bothered to actually get up and do it.

 

What differences will the BNP make? I want someone to show me where they've made a positive change in the community and I promise I won't mention the old National Front in this thread, any more.

[Guest ROOSTER]

funny how all the miners and co and their villages became proud and with a greaty togetherness after thatcher,when in reallity they were nothing more than grubby little houses stained with the coal dust, and the men were the same as every other man except most had a cough and a habit of spitting out the very dust that was filling their lungs everytime they went near a pit, there are men and woman still taking the goverment to court for compensation because of the conditions they had to work in, opencast was a safer quicker and cheaper method but then again its alright to look back and think everything was rosie when in fact it werent so great and most of you were tiny bairns during this time, did the miners care for anyone else when other industries were threatened did they feck in fact their actions jepordised other peoples job

 

I suggest you visit an old miners welfare and say that...see what kind of response you get

 

YES no doubt they will look back like many do and things didnt seem so bad because time makes a differece but then go and listen to a mans chest cackle as he breaths, or look at the tub beside his bed were he spits the flem from his lungs because he has silococius or emplzema because his lungs were wrecked with the dust and poison from the pit, watch as he reaches for his inhaler or if he's a bit worse its his oxygen mask, go to the chemist to pick up his small oxygen bottle that fits behind his bed, and when he dies think to yourself yes you loved him but your thankful he is no longer suffering and then thank the pit for making sure the last few years of his life were sat in a chair looking out a window as at other men of his age tended their gardens or went bowling but he couldnt because the pit ahad left him unable,

 

Well you could use that arguement about cigarrettes, asbestos, tintinitus industial deafness any number of materials workers had to deal with in various jobs...but to imply that Thatcher closed these industries because she was concerned about these folks health is just silly!

NO i'm not implying it i telling you the best thing that happened was shutting the pits for health and economic reasons it so happened it was thatcher that did it.

 

So doing away with Industries and consigning thousands upon thousands of people to the dole and destroying communities with little or no work for generations of young people is good economic sense....and lets not forget she did this to help these people in your opinion.....Are you Mark Thatcher by any chance?

THE thousands of workers found new jobs, better jobs jobs where they werent in danger or put anyone else in danger, open cast was the way forward it was cheaper and safer and quicker the old pits were starting to cost more than they made, as for the landsape there is nothing nice about mountains of pit spoil and lets not forget what can happens when these mountains start to move there's a little place in wales that lost all its children, progress thats what happened you may have romantic ideas but when it comes down to it the closing of deep mines was the right thing to do. NO I'M NOT MARK THATCHER I CAN FIND MY WAY HOME.

[undisputed 1,664]

funny how all the miners and co and their villages became proud and with a greaty togetherness after thatcher,when in reallity they were nothing more than grubby little houses stained with the coal dust, and the men were the same as every other man except most had a cough and a habit of spitting out the very dust that was filling their lungs everytime they went near a pit, there are men and woman still taking the goverment to court for compensation because of the conditions they had to work in, opencast was a safer quicker and cheaper method but then again its alright to look back and think everything was rosie when in fact it werent so great and most of you were tiny bairns during this time, did the miners care for anyone else when other industries were threatened did they feck in fact their actions jepordised other peoples job

 

I suggest you visit an old miners welfare and say that...see what kind of response you get

 

YES no doubt they will look back like many do and things didnt seem so bad because time makes a differece but then go and listen to a mans chest cackle as he breaths, or look at the tub beside his bed were he spits the flem from his lungs because he has silococius or emplzema because his lungs were wrecked with the dust and poison from the pit, watch as he reaches for his inhaler or if he's a bit worse its his oxygen mask, go to the chemist to pick up his small oxygen bottle that fits behind his bed, and when he dies think to yourself yes you loved him but your thankful he is no longer suffering and then thank the pit for making sure the last few years of his life were sat in a chair looking out a window as at other men of his age tended their gardens or went bowling but he couldnt because the pit ahad left him unable,

 

Well you could use that arguement about cigarrettes, asbestos, tintinitus industial deafness any number of materials workers had to deal with in various jobs...but to imply that Thatcher closed these industries because she was concerned about these folks health is just silly!

NO i'm not implying it i telling you the best thing that happened was shutting the pits for health and economic reasons it so happened it was thatcher that did it.

 

So doing away with Industries and consigning thousands upon thousands of people to the dole and destroying communities with little or no work for generations of young people is good economic sense....and lets not forget she did this to help these people in your opinion.....Are you Mark Thatcher by any chance?

THE thousands of workers found new jobs, better jobs jobs where they werent in danger or put anyone else in danger, open cast was the way forward it was cheaper and safer and quicker the old pits were starting to cost more than they made, as for the landsape there is nothing nice about mountains of pit spoil and lets not forget what can happens when these mountains start to move there's a little place in wales that lost all its children, progress thats what happened you may have romantic ideas but when it comes down to it the closing of deep mines was the right thing to do. NO I'M NOT MARK THATCHER I CAN FIND MY WAY HOME.

 

I think what you'll find that the biggest majority of those laid of were offered retraining for other jobs in IT and such but very few actually found long term employment as they were either to old in their mid 40's early 50's, anyone older than that were unemployable....and I have far from a romantic view of the pits having lost family members in both coal and steel industries. Yeah the pits and such were filthy and dangerous places to work but they were all these people had for generations ,and in terms of health and safety these were practically non existent before nationalisation, had people been aware of the dangers of the diseases you mentioned I doubt anyone would have worked there if there was a reasonable alternative, but in those days there was little choice for the working class it was either work or starve not much of a choice if you have a family...things got slightly better as time went on and it wasn't until the 70's that any real research was carried out in relation to the types of diseases miners and their like caught working, even when there was evidence the governments ignored it. What you seem to be ignoring is the fact coal kept this country moving for over a 150yrs or more and the people who worked underground did it out of necessity...generation after generation followed their fathers brothers uncles etc into the pits because that was all they knew I lost an uncle in a pit accident and he was only 12yrs old think about that for a moment 12YEARS OLD. A lot of people got very rich on the back of miners and steelworkers and to get rid of these industries because they posed a threat to government was and still is morally wrong. You know as well as I do this WAS NOT done out of concern for anyone's health.

[Guest ROOSTER]

funny how all the miners and co and their villages became proud and with a greaty togetherness after thatcher,when in reallity they were nothing more than grubby little houses stained with the coal dust, and the men were the same as every other man except most had a cough and a habit of spitting out the very dust that was filling their lungs everytime they went near a pit, there are men and woman still taking the goverment to court for compensation because of the conditions they had to work in, opencast was a safer quicker and cheaper method but then again its alright to look back and think everything was rosie when in fact it werent so great and most of you were tiny bairns during this time, did the miners care for anyone else when other industries were threatened did they feck in fact their actions jepordised other peoples job

 

I suggest you visit an old miners welfare and say that...see what kind of response you get

 

YES no doubt they will look back like many do and things didnt seem so bad because time makes a differece but then go and listen to a mans chest cackle as he breaths, or look at the tub beside his bed were he spits the flem from his lungs because he has silococius or emplzema because his lungs were wrecked with the dust and poison from the pit, watch as he reaches for his inhaler or if he's a bit worse its his oxygen mask, go to the chemist to pick up his small oxygen bottle that fits behind his bed, and when he dies think to yourself yes you loved him but your thankful he is no longer suffering and then thank the pit for making sure the last few years of his life were sat in a chair looking out a window as at other men of his age tended their gardens or went bowling but he couldnt because the pit ahad left him unable,

 

Well you could use that arguement about cigarrettes, asbestos, tintinitus industial deafness any number of materials workers had to deal with in various jobs...but to imply that Thatcher closed these industries because she was concerned about these folks health is just silly!

NO i'm not implying it i telling you the best thing that happened was shutting the pits for health and economic reasons it so happened it was thatcher that did it.

 

So doing away with Industries and consigning thousands upon thousands of people to the dole and destroying communities with little or no work for generations of young people is good economic sense....and lets not forget she did this to help these people in your opinion.....Are you Mark Thatcher by any chance?

THE thousands of workers found new jobs, better jobs jobs where they werent in danger or put anyone else in danger, open cast was the way forward it was cheaper and safer and quicker the old pits were starting to cost more than they made, as for the landsape there is nothing nice about mountains of pit spoil and lets not forget what can happens when these mountains start to move there's a little place in wales that lost all its children, progress thats what happened you may have romantic ideas but when it comes down to it the closing of deep mines was the right thing to do. NO I'M NOT MARK THATCHER I CAN FIND MY WAY HOME.

 

I think what you'll find that the biggest majority of those laid of were offered retraining for other jobs in IT and such but very few actually found long term employment as they were either to old in their mid 40's early 50's, anyone older than that were unemployable....and I have far from a romantic view of the pits having lost family members in both coal and steel industries. Yeah the pits and such were filthy and dangerous places to work but they were all these people had for generations ,and in terms of health and safety these were practically non existent before nationalisation, had people been aware of the dangers of the diseases you mentioned I doubt anyone would have worked there if there was a reasonable alternative, but in those days there was little choice for the working class it was either work or starve not much of a choice if you have a family...things got slightly better as time went on and it wasn't until the 70's that any real research was carried out in relation to the types of diseases miners and their like caught working, even when there was evidence the governments ignored it. What you seem to be ignoring is the fact coal kept this country moving for over a 150yrs or more and the people who worked underground did it out of necessity...generation after generation followed their fathers brothers uncles etc into the pits because that was all they knew I lost an uncle in a pit accident and he was only 12yrs old think about that for a moment 12YEARS OLD. A lot of people got very rich on the back of miners and steelworkers and to get rid of these industries because they posed a threat to government was and still is morally wrong. You know as well as I do this WAS NOT done out of concern for anyone's health.

NEVER SAID IT WAS i started by saying well done thatcher because she closed the mines and i would say the same if it was brown who closed them down they are from the past things have moved on thank goodness, yes for years it was coal and steel but nothing lasts forever and every goverment has to deal with the changes in the world and they must have the bottle to do the things that have to be done,the truth about steel and coal is that it was cheaper to bring in coal from poland and steel from russia in the eighties than it was to produce it here. Edited July 19, 2008 by ROOSTER

[Matt 160]

The BNP may have some unusual followers but none as wierd as oaten the tory mp for winchester,still in the job after being exposed for paying rent boys to shit on him and then shag him.Who said the bnp were extreme.

I wish i had the money to emigrate,the foreigners dont need any money to come here

Sorry rant over im off please delete my account this is doing my head in...

 

Nice to see you have your finger on the political 'pulse'.

 

Oaten in a LIBERAL!!

 

I dont really care who people vote for, as long as they make the effort to vote. No-one has the right to comment on the current political situation unless they voted last time round (if they were eligible).

 

Voting should be compulsory IMHO.

[Malt 379]

funny how all the miners and co and their villages became proud and with a greaty togetherness after thatcher,when in reallity they were nothing more than grubby little houses stained with the coal dust, and the men were the same as every other man except most had a cough and a habit of spitting out the very dust that was filling their lungs everytime they went near a pit, there are men and woman still taking the goverment to court for compensation because of the conditions they had to work in, opencast was a safer quicker and cheaper method but then again its alright to look back and think everything was rosie when in fact it werent so great and most of you were tiny bairns during this time, did the miners care for anyone else when other industries were threatened did they feck in fact their actions jepordised other peoples job

 

I suggest you visit an old miners welfare and say that...see what kind of response you get

 

YES no doubt they will look back like many do and things didnt seem so bad because time makes a differece but then go and listen to a mans chest cackle as he breaths, or look at the tub beside his bed were he spits the flem from his lungs because he has silococius or emplzema because his lungs were wrecked with the dust and poison from the pit, watch as he reaches for his inhaler or if he's a bit worse its his oxygen mask, go to the chemist to pick up his small oxygen bottle that fits behind his bed, and when he dies think to yourself yes you loved him but your thankful he is no longer suffering and then thank the pit for making sure the last few years of his life were sat in a chair looking out a window as at other men of his age tended their gardens or went bowling but he couldnt because the pit ahad left him unable,

 

Well you could use that arguement about cigarrettes, asbestos, tintinitus industial deafness any number of materials workers had to deal with in various jobs...but to imply that Thatcher closed these industries because she was concerned about these folks health is just silly!

NO i'm not implying it i telling you the best thing that happened was shutting the pits for health and economic reasons it so happened it was thatcher that did it.

 

So doing away with Industries and consigning thousands upon thousands of people to the dole and destroying communities with little or no work for generations of young people is good economic sense....and lets not forget she did this to help these people in your opinion.....Are you Mark Thatcher by any chance?

THE thousands of workers found new jobs, better jobs jobs where they werent in danger or put anyone else in danger, open cast was the way forward it was cheaper and safer and quicker the old pits were starting to cost more than they made, as for the landsape there is nothing nice about mountains of pit spoil and lets not forget what can happens when these mountains start to move there's a little place in wales that lost all its children, progress thats what happened you may have romantic ideas but when it comes down to it the closing of deep mines was the right thing to do. NO I'M NOT MARK THATCHER I CAN FIND MY WAY HOME.

Try telling that to the residents of some of the towns in the south Wales valleys. Those towns solely existed because of the coal. There livelihoods were taken away from them when they closed the mines. Some of the towns have had millions of pounds worth of regeneration that has failed to make a difference, and are still suffering to this day.