Is any possible? opinions.

[Redman 0]

Would anybody care top give an opinion and vote on two airgun stories I read/heard about this week.

I find both stories extremes to what I would ever imagine myself being able to produce. I read the `10mm at 50yds` on an airgun forum and the `head shot at 80yds` off a friend in work.

 

1st story.

A guy wrote he’d achieved 10mm groupings on a paper target in wind and heavy rain with an unmodified hw80 in .177.

 

2nd story.

A friend in work told me he has a friend who knows a friend that can consistently get rabbits at 80yds with headshots with a legal limit PCP .177, he added this fella once shot 5 rabbits at this distance before the rest got spooked, and its not a case of if he’ll get the rabbit at 80yds .. rather – how many he’ll get at 80yds.

 

Both stories I personally find – quite unbelievable to say the least, though if I was to believe any it would be the 1st story .. just!

The 2nd story for me is just too far fetched .. even if you could get lucky and hit the rabbits head at 80yds would a .177 still hold enough clout to kill the rabbit? .. and to do it consistent??

 

To add insult to injury.. the friend of my friend - when hearing about the `10mm at 50yds` added the guy who wrote it must be a complete liar or a novice air gunner who doesn’t know what airguns are capable off .. lol

 

Your opinions are very much appreciated.

Edited July 15, 2008 by Redman

[SEAN3513 7]

first one is possible........if using a rest of some kind!!

 

seccond one complete and utter bollocks!!!

 

.177 pellet at yds would approx be hitting at about 1.5 - 2 ft/lbs. no where near enough power to kill a rabbit.

 

plus he would have to be aiming about 2 feet above the kill zone.........because he won't have his zero set at at yds.

 

i think your mate has confused feet and yards.............. feet.....no problem!!!

 

cheers

 

sean

[big al 0]

first one is possible........if using a rest of some kind!!

 

seccond one complete and utter bollocks!!!

 

.177 pellet at yds would approx be hitting at about 1.5 - 2 ft/lbs. no where near enough power to kill a rabbit.

 

plus he would have to be aiming about 2 feet above the kill zone.........because he won't have his zero set at at yds.

 

i think your mate has confused feet and yards.............. feet.....no problem!!!

 

cheers

 

sean

your right mate,although there are some very good shots about it does take some believing,and i would tend to think that a mistake has been made as to range ,iuse 410 extra 22 which has the power to kill at yards,but at that sort of range even a slight wind can blow pellet off by 3or4 inches and as to consistant headshots no way unless rabbits have head the size of a large pumpkin.I wrote on bbs oneday about a crow i shot at 80yards away,and i said that it was either a hit or miss shot/and i got a terrible slagging for being a leadsligger ,when i looked at previous writeups the chap who slagged me off had stated that he had shot rabbit at 100 yard plus in head.and he writes for an airgun mag,there are a lot of bullshiters about and not all are novice

[Redman 0]

Thanks both.

 

I too asked was he confusing yards with feet .. and got a definite no - def yards!

 

I guess some airgunners tell the same tales fishermen are infamous for.

 

What size targets and ranges are the top FT shooters getting?

[Rentomski 0]

2nd story.

A friend in work told me he has a friend who knows a friend that can consistently get rabbits at 80yds with headshots with a legal limit PCP .177, he added this fella once shot 5 rabbits at this distance before the rest got spooked, and its not a case of if he’ll get the rabbit at 80yds .. rather – how many he’ll get at 80yds.

 

Some years ago I headshot and killed a buck rabbit at what turned out to be 76 long paces away with a .177 HW90K. I thought it was a lot closer than it actually was; the first shot hit the track some 2/3 of the way to the rabbit. "Scope has taken a knock" thought I and held over for the second shot and killed the rabbit. In my defence, I should point out that the way the fence line ran down the side of the track gave the optical illusion of considerable foreshortening, i.e making the apparent range much shorter than the actual range, and it was a very big buck rabbit well over four pounds in weight; both factors conspiring to make the rabbit appear much closer than it actually was. It was an immediate kill so the pellet energy must have been sufficient to do the job. Would I attempt such a shot again with the same air rifle? NEVER!!! It is certainly not something that could be done consistently with 12ftlb air rifle and I'd rather let my hawk deal with the rabbits now anyway!

[big al 0]

Thanks both.

 

I too asked was he confusing yards with feet .. and got a definite no - def yards!

 

I guess some airgunners tell the same tales fishermen are infamous for.

 

What size targets and ranges are the top FT shooters getting?

 

REDMAN DID I EVER TELL YOU THE STORY OFF THE FISH I HEAD SHOT AT 100YARDS IN A STORM AT NIGHT WITH MY 4FT LBS METEOR ITS TRUE TRUST ME

[woodchip 2]

a couple of months back i went to the hampshire county show and i went on the weirauch air gun shoot and i was speaking to one of the instructors she said they shoot targets at up to 100yrd with a legal limit air rifle ????

ive shot a bunnie at 68m myself with my .177 s410 i know this was an accurate range as i use a range finder my gun is zerod in at 50m and 2nd mildot down is 70m there has to be no wind but i know i can kill at this range as i tested the guns capability when i got it .

[duck 0]

Would anybody care top give an opinion and vote on two airgun stories I read/heard about this week.

I find both stories extremes to what I would ever imagine myself being able to produce. I read the `10mm at 50yds` on an airgun forum and the `head shot at 80yds` off a friend in work.

 

1st story.

A guy wrote he’d achieved 10mm groupings on a paper target in wind and heavy rain with an unmodified hw80 in .177.

 

2nd story.

A friend in work told me he has a friend who knows a friend that can consistently get rabbits at 80yds with headshots with a legal limit PCP .177, he added this fella once shot 5 rabbits at this distance before the rest got spooked, and its not a case of if he’ll get the rabbit at 80yds .. rather – how many he’ll get at 80yds.

 

Both stories I personally find – quite unbelievable to say the least, though if I was to believe any it would be the 1st story .. just!

The 2nd story for me is just too far fetched .. even if you could get lucky and hit the rabbits head at 80yds would a .177 still hold enough clout to kill the rabbit? .. and to do it consistent??

 

To add insult to injury.. the friend of my friend - when hearing about the `10mm at 50yds` added the guy who wrote it must be a complete liar or a novice air gunner who doesn’t know what airguns are capable off .. lol

 

Your opinions are very much appreciated.

 

redman let me tell you a story did you hear about the time i went shooting near the river bank no then let me teel you, i saw the rabbit next to the river took the head shot straight through the rabbits head as it went through the head a fish jumped up and it went trhough the fish to the other side of the river where i shot a bear it the laned on a 1lb of mushrooms ok you don't believe me it was the mushrooms that give it away wasn't it LOL.

 

as for your question don't believe everything everyone tells you

[mackem 26,261]

first one is possible........if using a rest of some kind!!

 

seccond one complete and utter bollocks!!!

 

.177 pellet at yds would approx be hitting at about 1.5 - 2 ft/lbs. no where near enough power to kill a rabbit.

 

plus he would have to be aiming about 2 feet above the kill zone.........because he won't have his zero set at at yds.

 

i think your mate has confused feet and yards.............. feet.....no problem!!!

 

cheers

 

sean

your right mate,although there are some very good shots about it does take some believing,and i would tend to think that a mistake has been made as to range ,iuse 410 extra 22 which has the power to kill at yards,but at that sort of range even a slight wind can blow pellet off by 3or4 inches and as to consistant headshots no way unless rabbits have head the size of a large pumpkin.I wrote on bbs oneday about a crow i shot at 80yards away,and i said that it was either a hit or miss shot/and i got a terrible slagging for being a leadsligger ,when i looked at previous writeups the chap who slagged me off had stated that he had shot rabbit at 100 yard plus in head.and he writes for an airgun mag,there are a lot of bullshiters about and not all are novice

I think your on about Terry Doe,dont always believe everything you read from his pen,theres a few stories concerning him,he is the numero uno on that site and doesnt like to be toppled from his perch,if you question or disagree with him all his fawning acolytes will descend upon you in a pack,kind of sad really

[doga 50]

some folk just love them selves,b3llsh1ting none truths.

[big al 0]

first one is possible........if using a rest of some kind!!

 

seccond one complete and utter bollocks!!!

 

.177 pellet at yds would approx be hitting at about 1.5 - 2 ft/lbs. no where near enough power to kill a rabbit.

 

plus he would have to be aiming about 2 feet above the kill zone.........because he won't have his zero set at at yds.

 

i think your mate has confused feet and yards.............. feet.....no problem!!!

 

cheers

 

sean

your right mate,although there are some very good shots about it does take some believing,and i would tend to think that a mistake has been made as to range ,iuse 410 extra 22 which has the power to kill at yards,but at that sort of range even a slight wind can blow pellet off by 3or4 inches and as to consistant headshots no way unless rabbits have head the size of a large pumpkin.I wrote on bbs oneday about a crow i shot at 80yards away,and i said that it was either a hit or miss shot/and i got a terrible slagging for being a leadsligger ,when i looked at previous writeups the chap who slagged me off had stated that he had shot rabbit at 100 yard plus in head.and he writes for an airgun mag,there are a lot of bullshiters about and not all are novice

I think your on about Terry Doe,dont always believe everything you read from his pen,theres a few stories concerning him,he is the numero uno on that site and doesnt like to be toppled from his perch,if you question or disagree with him all his fawning acolytes will descend upon you in a pack,kind of sad really

mackem it sounds like you been there like me ,but it was not td but another big mouth know it all that shouts his mouth off from his armchair you know who,but this forum is much better and friendly with people who pass on advice and knowledge which we all need ,to get better at our fieldsports, big al

[rabbit_killer 2]

1 the gruping yep 100% im zeroed at 40yards and i can in the right conditions hit the pellet hole time after time with a very small grouping

 

2 story im sorry i dont belive it!!

 

but i have 600 acres full of bunnies down here in essex and he is more than welcome to come over and show me!!

 

as they say the proof is in the puding!!

Edited July 18, 2008 by ChrisJones
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[Redman 0]

I guess that just confirms what I`d first thought.

here is a link to the `10mm at 50yds`

http://www.airgunforum.net/agf/index.php?showtopic=41375

 

The 2nd story .. you`ll just have to take my word on that one .. like I had to take the word of my friend .. who had to take the word of his freind .. who had to...

 

Thanks all.

[Coney 3]

1st story.....plausible ??

 

2nd story......stuff that bedtime stories are made from ??

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Like with all these stories... I'll believe it when I see it. The bits in the middle are all about credibility.

 

As always I'd like to see the evidence, and a rabbit dying of lead poisoning doesn't count!