smithy blood

[Guest blackntan]

pedigree, a register ofancestors esp of a purebred animal, thats not what its about just working lines , types not standeds , look whats happend to the pedigree terrier, breeds but for the rare one they have lost the work gene , i know you never ment it in that context castro but the worst thing for any breed is the standedisation of it by the kc keep records of qarry dug to , keep breeding records, what pup went were did it make the grade if it didnt keep that to , i have read records that go back 40 years dogs to bitches, litter numbers with details of colour and type , then dates with futher information how the terrier had turned out , how truthfull it was who knows but it made good reading and would love it on my book shelf one day

Edited July 22, 2008 by blackntan

[Guest blackntan]

pip the history of smiffy , is known if you beleave mr drickrenson , mr gould just wont admit it. They dont get on as with any working terrier records , they have to be taken on face value, i found out a lot about a bitch i have , but its only word of mouth so what , I FIND IT INTERESTINGothers dont , its just a topic for descussion , dont know how long you have been in terriers dont really care but the same qestions are still asked as were asked 35 years ago , and not many names have changed , for those who dont care about the breeding history of working terriers , why pass comment on some thing you have no interest in , for those who do keep on asking there are loads of old hands out there who will share there time and information , and theres a few who wont give you the time of day ,THERES NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN

[Guest blackntan]

I DONT KNOW , the smiffy i knew ken gould had in the 70s you would need to ask mr gould or maybe others reading may know

[the_stig 6,614]

smithy gould and plummer

[lakieman 25]

pip i was reading the terrier year books and the guy that actually breed smithy dridkison or something like that had sent a letter in saying that the breeding was from a bitch jet mated to a dog grip he was saying that all the other rummours were rubbish and that was how he was bred i no nuttal put a claim to breeding the dog and ken gould quashed everything that was ever suggested how he may hav been bred was just wondering what you thought on it

[Guest pip]

I honestly haven t a clue mate.I believe Didricksons account mainly because ,as far as i know,he wasn t dealer and had nothing to gain from claiming it.The account of how the dog got its name fits too,Nuttal had loads to gain from claiming it ££££££.It certainly had the look of a dog with a fair share of lakie in him too.

Id say theres great dogs today bred from him and shit too depending on whos been inbetween ,i love all the history but it accounts for very little once you go beyond 3 or 4 generations,sometimes the further you dig the more shit you uncover :wacko:

[Guest blackntan]

why ask some one who never met gould has no, time for the man the rest is just hearsay, write youself a letter to edrd mr harcome, , my dog in the seventys was smiffy x the one eyed bitch , seen them both on the day i got it all thou never seen them born but in them days as now i trust people who i form opinions on,

Edited July 23, 2008 by blackntan

[Guest pip]

why ask some one who never met gould has no, time for the man the rest is just hearsay, write youself a letter to edrd mr harcome, , my dog in the seventys was smiffy x the one eyed bitch , seen them both on the day i got it all thou never seen them born but in them days as now i trust people who i form opinions on,

Well done B&T Ask your bitches who bred the dog then. Oh and just to clear things up for us mortals explain what CD would have to gain by claiming he bred the dog?

[Guest blackntan]

who cares pipa , answer my qestion DO YOU SELL ANY PUPS YOU BREED, GO BACK THRU THE POSTS I ASKED IT AGES AGO

[Guest G.Mac]

You hear some stories over the years.

I heard that didriksen was a bit miffed because Gould could sell more dogs than he could.

Also heard that he didnt like another man getting a dog off Gould that he himself wanted.

But who really cares nowadays why they dont like each other.

And like most threads that start off worth reading this one should now be panned.

[Guest blackntan]

thanks for your input Gmac , but some times its good to chew the cud and i like the banter thats a fine looking westy you have,joking how long you kept wheatens

[Guest G.Mac]

Well Gouldy dont be on here to answer any questions neither will be didriksen so its of no significance to the lad who started the thread.

Maybe you could p.m the fella some info on the dog cos this has become a "lets rubbish Ken Gould" thread and does fuk all for the lads questions.

Like Gould or hate him he is one of the most colourful characters within the terrier scene and from what I hear about the man I would gladly have a pint or two with him any time.

Same as a lot of the older terrier boys,sadly the craic that older boys talk about doesnt seem to be there today.

I was in the company of 4/5 older boys who knew him,Heffernan,Ratcliffe and others a couple of years ago and the night went too fast.

There are lads who know how the dog SMITHY was bred sadly most of them are no longer on the scene today.

But Didriksens version will always be disputed by some and agreed by others.

Who really gives a f..k

[Guest pip]

A doubtful expectation.I don t want to be known .I don t want to make money off dogs ,iv e never sold one.When i do its time to stop.Slippery slope.I don t know Gould neither do i desire to and as i said i neither want to meet any other of the dealers who have "dogs chained out everywhere"and all for sale.

While hunting with a well known terrierman in England he made a statement which made us loose a lot of respect for him,he said"lads everythings for sale in my yard ,for the right price".Speaks volumnes .

90% of decent terriermen don t sell dogs.

With regards to the EDRD article i heard it before that.And with all respect to you B&T would you have a dog like Smithy in your yard and not have a clue where he came from.He didn t fall out of the sky.............Or did he?

Just in reply to b&ts question,i don t sell and would gladly give any away.

[Guest blackntan]

exactly, GMAC TRY AND GET TO EDRD SHOW, LAST YEAR WAS A GOOD PLACE TO MEET THE OLD SCHOOL,IF YOU HAVE A COPY OF TERRIERS AND TERRIER MEN BRING IT A SIGHED COPY ALLWAYS FETCHES A FEW BOB MORE, LAST YEAR , POWERS,BONNET, HARBER,MITCHEL,NIXON, THOMSON ALL THERE HAVING THE CRAIC, OH AND PIP AL HAVE ONE OFF YOUR NEXT LITTER YOU HAVE ONE OF MINE EH

[lakeman 12]

quote name='barolo' post='597792' date='Jul 22 2008, 10:43 AM']i think it is good to know how your dogs are bred, and the fact that the name SMITH keeps coming up is because there is fellas out ther wanting to know about the history of their dogs, they are called working terrier enthusiasts. I bet you know the history of your chosen breed Lakeman.

 

 

really???? ....enlighten me!

with regard to my 'name', it's mick, 'lakeman' because there is al ready a mick on here. and if it's after a type, why 'black and tan'?

i keep and work lakies and blacks/fell types... felltype had gone aswell.

 

with reference to breeding B&T, i do think its important, but not the be all and end all from dogs of 20 years ago.

 

mine go back to postgate's midge, ward's pipper and further than that is tyson's mocky..but its a tidy few generations ago now... so its what they do NOW not what their for-fathers did.

IMO

Edited July 23, 2008 by lakeman